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Online Casinos in general: Still illegal play discussion thread (Page 2)

Topic created on 26th Apr. 2024 | Page: 2 of 5 | Answers: 62 | Views: 3,566
hustlehoff
Expert
Yes, and it would be really interesting to know whether German citizens are generally not allowed to play in foreign unlicensed Online Casinos or not. (not even from abroad)

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frapi07
Elite

hustlehoff wrote on 26.04.2024 at 16:28: Yes and that would be really interesting to know whether you are generally not allowed to play in foreign unlicensed Online Casinos as a German citizen or not. (just not from abroad either)

I guess that playing in illegal online casinos is generally not allowed. Even if you are in that country.

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hustlehoff
Expert

frapi07 wrote on 26.04.2024 at 16:32:

I guess playing at illegal Online Casinos is generally not allowed. Even if you are in the country.

And what's the best way to find out exactly how it is? I'm somehow too stupid to find out exactly

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R3hab
Expert
Your main residence must be in a country where there are loose rules, I can't tell you what is possible now, but in the EU more and more countries are regulating this themselves to strengthen their own economy
then later 2 residences in Germany, so you could play legally from here
3 months in malta or so then you can register everything ^^

At least that's how I imagine it

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frapi07
Elite

hustlehoff wrote on April 26th, 2024 at 4:36 pm:

And what's the best way to find out exactly how it is? I'm somehow too stupid to find out exactly

i found this here.

EU countries with their own gambling licenses
However, more and more countries in the European Union have started to issue their own licenses. They want to ensure that gambling on the Internet is regulated according to their own ideas. These laws take precedence over EU regulations - at least according to some experts.
If you are in Spain, France, Italy or Greece, for example, you may only be able to access the websites of local providers. Playing in German Online Casinos abroad is therefore no longer possible. I will answer the question of whether you should circumvent a corresponding block using a VPN.
Online casinos from these foreign countries often only allow you to register if you are resident in the respective country. German players, for example, are generally not permitted on Swedish gambling sites.

Conclusion on online casino gaming abroad
Vacations are the best time of the year for many people. However, if you want to enjoy online gambling during this time, it can become a legal minefield when traveling abroad. A clear answer to the question of whether you can play your regular online casino abroad is usually not so easy to find.
The legal situation regarding gambling on the Internet is already quite complicated within most countries. When international matters are added to the mix, things quickly become very confusing.

Basically, you should consider the following factors when using an online casino abroad:

  • Laws of the vacation destination

  • Is it a country within the EU?

  • General terms and conditions of the online casino

  • Laws of your place of residence


Gambling is a worldwide phenomenon. Incidentally, you can use legal land-based gambling offers in almost all countries at a local level.




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gamble1
Legend
But guys, another question, now it's getting complicated

I was in US territory and operated my computer at home via a kind of remote control, i.e. accessed my DE computer via the US IP's and then only opened DE casinos with the DE IP, for example

What does it look like then am I still obliged to comply with the DE laws if I am not in DE as a person but control a device that is on German territory or do I theoretically have to be on this territory as a person to do something forbidden because my computer does nothing forbidden is a thing and not a person?

Because then you could theoretically always argue that you would not have been in the country at all, maybe you were in Austria where you are not allowed to gamble either, but the German state can do nothing about it and if they come with but your devices were online you can still say yes the devices were online but just by my participation from abroad

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R3hab
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 26.04.2024 at 20:06: But guys another question now it's getting complicated

I was in US territory and operated my computer at home via a kind of remote control, so I accessed my DE computer via the US IP's and then only opened DE casinos with the DE IP, for example

What does it look like then am I still obliged to comply with the DE laws if I am not in DE as a person but control a device that is on German territory or do I theoretically have to be on this territory as a person to do something forbidden because my computer does nothing forbidden is a thing and not a person?

Because then you could theoretically always argue that you were not in the country at all, maybe you were in Austria where you are not allowed to gamble either, but the German state can do nothing about it and if they come with but your devices were online you can still say yes the devices were online but just by my participation from abroad

I don't quite understand your question,

If you are traveling then nothing changes because your place of residence is still the same

For example, you can gamble in the casino in Vegas, but you can't gamble online because you don't have any US documents, how do you want to verify yourself without something like that?

If you use your computer to gamble in illegal casinos, it is still forbidden regardless of whether you are in front of the computer in DE or in the USA in the hotel is completely late

You gamble and not your PC, it's not that far then lol

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bruffl
Expert
It's really tricky.
If you invest money abroad, that's okay,
You usually have to pay tax on the wins in Germany.
Now that some people have already been to a lawyer, you could really ask what a lawyer says...

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gamble1
Legend

R3hab wrote on 26.04.2024 at 20:28:

Don't quite understand your question,

If you are traveling then nothing changes because your place of residence is still the same

For example, you can gamble in a casino in Vegas, but you can't gamble online because you don't have any US documents - how are you going to verify yourself without something like that?

If you use your computer to gamble in illegal casinos, it is still forbidden regardless of whether you are in front of the computer in DE or in the USA in the hotel is completely late

You gamble and not your PC, it's not that far then lol

But it's only illegal in this country and not in the country you're currently in

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R3hab
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 26.04.2024 at 20:58:

But it is only forbidden in this country and not in the country where you are right now

They can always get your balls as long as you have your official residence in DE


Maybe you can get a second residence or get creative in another way

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hustlehoff
Expert

R3hab wrote on 26.04.2024 at 21:21:

They can always get your balls as long as you have your official residence in DE


Maybe you can get creative with a second residence or something else

No, and that's not the point, until it has been completely clarified here that it really is the case that as a German citizen you are not allowed to play in a foreign online casino from scratch. The scenario is still that you have traveled across the border to gamble or not even just across, perhaps much further.

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hustlehoff
Expert
Without an experienced legal old hand who doesn't have a heart for gambling, I don't think we'll get too far here either ... let's just hope that some legal passionate gambler reads along here and can answer exactly I'm still secretly hoping that some kind of star lawyer will take on the whole thing with the new law and somehow declare everything illegal xD

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gamble1
Legend

hustlehoff wrote on 26.04.2024 at 21:35: Without an experienced legal old hand who doesn't have a heart for gambling, I don't think we'll get too far here either ... let's just hope that some legal passionate gambler reads along here and can answer exactly I'm still secretly hoping that some kind of star lawyer will take on the whole thing with the new law and somehow declare everything illegal xD

Imagine the looks on everyone's faces when their great fair regulation is torn to shreds

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frapi07
Elite

hustlehoff wrote on 26.04.2024 at 21:31

No and that's not exactly the point until it has been completely clarified here that it is really the case that as a German citizen you are not allowed to play in a foreign online casino from scratch. The scenario is still that you as a person close to the border have traveled over to gamble or not even just over, maybe much further.

Close to the border or not - you can only gamble online "legally" in Germany. You have to verify yourself, at least if you want to cash out. We all know that no OC in the world requires Verification before a payout. Therefore --> gambling would be possible (although illegal), but at the latest when you want to pay out you have a problem, because you need documents.

Imagine a Dutch person (who lives on the border as you always imagine) successfully registers with a German online casino (I've already read that it's not really possible, e.g. users from Austria can't register there) and is lucky. They want proof of address etc.

Here is an example from Austria

The big difference between logging in and registering
The place of residence plays a role because there are different laws and licenses. Even if you are within the EU, there can be differences. Every country, including the member states of the EU, has different guidelines that are followed. In addition, the license is never valid for the entire world. The license is only ever designed for certain states or groups of states.

Anyone who spends their vacation in Austria, for example in Carinthia or Salzburg, and already has a player account, can usually log in without any problems. The situation is different if a new player account is to be created from Austria. This is because the security system sounds the alarm if a German residential address is entered from Austria.

If the security system sounds the alarm, the registration is usually canceled by the online casino provider.

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bigbig
Experienced
But if I go to a real casino abroad and win there, I can also take the money, so where is the equal treatment with Online Casinos?

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