XXLEONIDASXX wrote on 01.06.2023 at 20:38: Throughout Europe, companies must keep 10 years of accounting documents..so do casinos.
I had always played at casinoclub for over 10 years. Was until 2021 my stammcasino..I have there even times calculated and approx. Within the last 10 years 60k loss made.
Now I had the other day also times the deposits and withdrawals from the casino to list. First, the casino had refused to give me any data, but then I got it and allegedly within the last 10 years only a loss of about 6k. This is not true...I tell you one thing... the casinos can falsify the documents as they want. Since in the past some people could enforce their claims against Casinoclub, I think due now falsify the transaction lists to not have to pay back more money.
From the sum a process cost financier does not take over the case. The casino did this on purpose!!! All criminals..altogether in all the years I have lost in Online Casinos about 200.000€...I could sue at the moment from the money max. 30.000€ approx...of which I would get back maybe if I am lucky 10 to 15k... only nen drop onm heisen Stein.
you contradict yourself there but quite,
in other threads you report that you make daily deposits, and always only loses....
and here you write, you want to reclaim your money, although you Deposit every day
but you are not doing so well
so in summary, with your lawsuit you want to make against the casino and claim your lost money back, but still continue to deposit daily in the fraud casinos....and even still attached you only lose and never win anything
in other threads you report that you make daily deposits, and always only loses....
and here you write, you want to reclaim your money, although you Deposit every day
but you are doing well in a different way
so in summary, with your lawsuit you want to make against the casino and claim your lost money back, but still continue to deposit daily in the fraud casinos....and even still attached you only lose and never win anything
Well regardless of what you think of the whole issue you should be careful that is interpreted as intentional fraud in the worst case because you can not get your money back with the argument illegal and then continue to do illegal things so does not work because then you know 100% of the illegality
1. Who Zockt the must expect losses and live with it!
2. The whole actions with "get your money back" .... "legal costs financing" - the offers are there but only for the people who have paid several 10tausender. And I am of the opinion, who can pay more than 10k - he has enough money and does not have to think about how he pays his rent or what to eat. What about the people who have paid in less than 10k? They get nothing and for these people there is no offer. But exactly these people have paid in the hope that one comes over the month or it is even enough for a small vacation. And from these people live the casinos.
Legal costs financing and all the offers "we get your money back"??????????? People just want to earn money with your loss. The greater your loss, the more it is worth it.
@ozontec You are only 50% right. Who gambles must also live with the losses, I think that's right. Who plays can win or lose, that is part of every game in this world.
But you should not forget that Gambling addiction is a recognized disease. Or while gambling you forget everything.
Who gambles away 10,000€ does not mean that he is automatically rich. It can just as well mean his final destination. All his savings gone. Maybe he loses his job, because he slips into a depression by gambling.
And that lawyers demand 40% is clear, they do not work for free. Hourly wage 100€ upward. It must also be worthwhile for them. And that they now want to cash in, it's clear, why not, are also just people.
Better to give 40% in case of success, than to get nothing back. Because without lawyers you have no chance to get your money back anyway.
And the court where then judge does, can decide for itself whether the one gets his money back or not. If someone is totally in Debt and has become mentally ill, then he has to get his money back but only in connection with a recognized therapy. Only then would I, as a judge, return the money.
With a gambling addiction you do not have your luck in your own hands. You are almost completely at the mercy of the gambling addiction.
But of course I don't like all these lawyers either. The bottom line is that we're heading for a catastrophe here. So that in the end gambling is completely banned. Or you can only lose a maximum of 10 € per day.
@biology - I overlooked the issue/problem with gambling addiction. I agree with you there, of course.
biologie wrote on 06/13/2023 at 05:12: The bottom line is that we are heading for a disaster here. So that in the end gambling is completely banned. Or you are only allowed to lose 10€ maximum per day.
There must simply be a reasonable global system where all play along. What's the point of blocking me in Germany if I can easily (even faster) squeeze the money away abroad.
Great times - you do not win at gambling, but you claim your stake back .
What apparently some people here don't want to or can't understand, it was simply "illegal" to accept money from German players.
And it doesn't matter if I'm a millionaire or poor as a church mouse or if I gamble for entertainment or am highly addicted.
If I want to do business in a country, I have to abide by its laws.
It's all that simple!
Lionking wrote on 13.06.2023 at 13:57: What here apparently some people do not want to understand or can, it was simply "illegal" to accept money from German players.
And it doesn't matter if I'm a millionaire or poor as a church mouse or if I gamble for entertainment or am highly addicted.
If I want to do business in a country, I have to abide by its laws.
It's as simple as that!
Should then all those who have done so also be punished for it?
It is first of all to assume that a customer knew nothing about it, that it is illegal to deposit there.
Or was there a warning that you are accessing an illegal offer?
By the way, this is also how the courts see it.
To my knowledge, no one needs to be "afraid" of being prosecuted for playing in an "illegal" casino.
First of all, it can be assumed that a customer did not know that it is illegal to make a Deposit there.
Or was there a warning that you are accessing an illegal offer?
By the way, this is also how the courts see it.
To my knowledge, no one needs to be "afraid" to be prosecuted, because he played in an "illegal" casino.
No, no one has to, and I'm also glad about it... Still always thought, ignorance does not protect against punishment... Where I personally would not believe this ignorance in 99 percent of cases.
And if you then invoke a clear illegality, that would actually have to apply to both sides...
Illegal is actually not quite right. After all, for a long time the EU Service Freedom Act applied, which at least the Malta casinos referred to. There was legal disagreement whether the national German ban until 2021 was legally higher than the EU law. Classic gray area.
On the subject of ignorance, I've copied this out of the terms and conditions of Locowin. Is probably so similar to the AGB'S of other casinos...
2.1. by visiting and using our site, you represent and warrant under your sole liability that you are over 18 years of age or of a higher legal age as determined by the laws applicable to you in the jurisdiction of your residence. It is your sole responsibility to know whether online gambling is legal in your country of residence.
So warning notice is there, can be read. Thus, the responsibility lies with the player.
ozontec wrote on 06/13/2023 at 04:15: I find your discussion quite cute.
1. Who Zockt the must expect losses and live with it!
2. The whole actions with "get your money back" .... "financing of legal costs" - the offers are only for people who have paid in several 10 thousand. And I am of the opinion, who can pay over 10k - he has enough money and does not have to think about how he pays his rent or what to eat. What about the people who have paid in less than 10k? They get nothing and for these people there is no offer. But exactly these people have paid in the hope that one comes over the month or it is even enough for a small vacation. And from these people live the casinos.
Legal costs financing and all the offers "we get your money back"??????????? People just want to earn money with your loss. The bigger your loss, the more it is worth it.
Again someone who has no idea about the subject.
How high the sum must be depends on the PF. Some take cases as low as €1,000. If you go to the lawyer without PF, then he makes every case, no matter what sum.
And how can you seriously write such nonsense that someone who has gambled away thousands would be swimming in money? Especially gambling addicts usually gamble away everything they have and then have nothing left. It is exactly the other way around. The majority of those who have gambled away tens of thousands are broke.
Hanshanshans wrote on 13.06.2023 at 16:49: On the subject of ignorance, I've copied that out of the terms and conditions of Locowin. Stands probably so similarly also in the AGB'S of other Casinos...
2.1. by visiting and using our site, you represent and warrant under your sole liability that you are over 18 years of age or of a higher legal age as determined by the laws applicable to you in the jurisdiction of your residence. It is your sole responsibility to know whether online gambling is legal in your country of residence.
So warning notice is there, can be read. So the responsibility lies with the player.
And you seriously believe that T&Cs override national laws and EU laws? They can write in there what they want, helps them absolutely nothing. If it were that simple, then drug dealers could simply write on their website that it is the consumer's responsibility whether drugs are legal in their own country or not.
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you contradict yourself there but quite,
in other threads you report that you make daily deposits, and always only loses....
and here you write, you want to reclaim your money, although you Deposit every day
but you are not doing so well
so in summary, with your lawsuit you want to make against the casino and claim your lost money back, but still continue to deposit daily in the fraud casinos....and even still attached you only lose and never win anything
boy you can not tell anyone
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So what. Let him but
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1. Who Zockt the must expect losses and live with it!
2. The whole actions with "get your money back" .... "legal costs financing" - the offers are there but only for the people who have paid several 10tausender. And I am of the opinion, who can pay more than 10k - he has enough money and does not have to think about how he pays his rent or what to eat. What about the people who have paid in less than 10k? They get nothing and for these people there is no offer. But exactly these people have paid in the hope that one comes over the month or it is even enough for a small vacation. And from these people live the casinos.
Legal costs financing and all the offers "we get your money back"??????????? People just want to earn money with your loss. The greater your loss, the more it is worth it.
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But you should not forget that Gambling addiction is a recognized disease. Or while gambling you forget everything.
Who gambles away 10,000€ does not mean that he is automatically rich. It can just as well mean his final destination. All his savings gone. Maybe he loses his job, because he slips into a depression by gambling.
And that lawyers demand 40% is clear, they do not work for free. Hourly wage 100€ upward. It must also be worthwhile for them. And that they now want to cash in, it's clear, why not, are also just people.
Better to give 40% in case of success, than to get nothing back. Because without lawyers you have no chance to get your money back anyway.
And the court where then judge does, can decide for itself whether the one gets his money back or not. If someone is totally in Debt and has become mentally ill, then he has to get his money back but only in connection with a recognized therapy. Only then would I, as a judge, return the money.
With a gambling addiction you do not have your luck in your own hands. You are almost completely at the mercy of the gambling addiction.
But of course I don't like all these lawyers either. The bottom line is that we're heading for a catastrophe here. So that in the end gambling is completely banned. Or you can only lose a maximum of 10 € per day.
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There must simply be a reasonable global system where all play along. What's the point of blocking me in Germany if I can easily (even faster) squeeze the money away abroad.
Great times - you do not win at gambling, but you claim your stake back .
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And it doesn't matter if I'm a millionaire or poor as a church mouse or if I gamble for entertainment or am highly addicted.
If I want to do business in a country, I have to abide by its laws.
It's all that simple!
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But it has been just as illegal to Deposit there.
Should all those who did it be punished for it?
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It is first of all to assume that a customer knew nothing about it, that it is illegal to deposit there.
Or was there a warning that you are accessing an illegal offer?
By the way, this is also how the courts see it.
To my knowledge, no one needs to be "afraid" of being prosecuted for playing in an "illegal" casino.
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No, no one has to, and I'm also glad about it... Still always thought, ignorance does not protect against punishment... Where I personally would not believe this ignorance in 99 percent of cases.
And if you then invoke a clear illegality, that would actually have to apply to both sides...
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2.1. by visiting and using our site, you represent and warrant under your sole liability that you are over 18 years of age or of a higher legal age as determined by the laws applicable to you in the jurisdiction of your residence. It is your sole responsibility to know whether online gambling is legal in your country of residence.
So warning notice is there, can be read. Thus, the responsibility lies with the player.
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Again someone who has no idea about the subject.
How high the sum must be depends on the PF. Some take cases as low as €1,000. If you go to the lawyer without PF, then he makes every case, no matter what sum.
And how can you seriously write such nonsense that someone who has gambled away thousands would be swimming in money? Especially gambling addicts usually gamble away everything they have and then have nothing left. It is exactly the other way around. The majority of those who have gambled away tens of thousands are broke.
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And you seriously believe that T&Cs override national laws and EU laws? They can write in there what they want, helps them absolutely nothing. If it were that simple, then drug dealers could simply write on their website that it is the consumer's responsibility whether drugs are legal in their own country or not.
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