gamble1 wrote on 26.07.2020 at 20:19
A vending machine can definitely make a minus for the operator in some months as well
We recently had one standing with us that has paid out as much as 10k more than he has taken in the last month of course this is not a permanent condition but it is possible from time to time
since you set up/repairs after your comments even machines ?
can also say nothing about it or how are you not allowed?
or can you tell me - if you know - for what is good in the spilo or in the real casino if there times son couple of guys come in vending machines nen key and reset the machine what has that for a reason?
In the real casino they always do that after a Jackpot and in the spilo I've seen that more often when you were in there in the morning 2-3 guys came with a key and have reset 3 of about 20 machines and left again
do you know the reason behind it would be curious what that makes sense or why they do that?
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vomvom12 wrote on 07/26/2020 at 05:51 PM
so the obvious list reason to gamble so high is clearly to make even more money...
the greed for more that we as players all know well.
i also don't think that every gameplay runs 100% according to a given chema.
it is more like a mixture of randem spins up to a certain point...let's say the
randem spins led you to a good plus in one session and now the written code triggers
code triggers chema f and brings you more or less only dead spins but constantly 2 skat
exactly. and when would have ever a company seriously considered not to maximize the win? and win means in this case that others must lose (is in the nature of the thing, but since here no goods or service is sold but simply money is generated, the conditions are again (intensified) different, as if it would be a "normal" possibly even listed real estate company)
not to control a variable in a company that can be controlled - or not to monitor / exploit it and to shake the greatest possible monetary potential onto the table - that is complete madness from a capitalist point of view. no entrepreneur in the world would agree to that. now casino owners and providers, of all people, will not be the big exception.
Arab201 wrote on 25.07.2020 at 02:58: So, I'll explain to you how it really works in Online Casinos and that it is not worth playing in any case. The providers like Play'n go and Co store your IP addresses and the storage is used to determine how much a player has lost at a slot. The 97% Rtp are really paid out that is also verified by MGA the license provider. Only there is a hacken with the thing. 97% means that you are always and guaranteed 3% in the minus no matter if you Deposit 100€ and play on 20 cents if the operator thinks you have won enough you will lose even if you turn 1000 rounds. I am a programmer and know what I'm talking about because otherwise it would not work at all and you can absolutely believe me exactly how it works. Maybe one or the other has noticed after a big win comes nothing more from the respective operator no matter which game you open you will lose and no matter at which casino you are. Because everything runs over the servers of the operators. For example, for those who do not understand, if you have won 1000 € at play'n go then you have probably already lost 1030 € or even more with this operator. Means that it is not a coincidence at all. So you always get back only part of the money you lost. Depending on when the operator and the slots are of the opinion you have lost enough. The whole thing is to balance the players so that they win evenly. Only the problem is that players are all the time in the minus area and do not have the chance to come in the plus area. And that is the point. So you're just playing to pay for the slots and it's pretty expensive. It's kind of the same as StarGames where only play money is offered. It's really hard to explain it in an understandable way. But in any case, the players actually pay in all the time and do not have the opportunity to make plus. Moreover, the slots show very strange behavior. The wins are repeated all the time and you can guess when the operator wants to give back some of the losses. If Book of Dead only 2 books come all the time and the third does not come, you can completely forget about a win there and in all other games. Because if a slot from Play'n go does not pay out, the others do not pay out either. But if one of these slots pays out then the others also pay out. This means that if one game of the operators runs well then the others also run well. But you are never in the plus area. So it would be exactly the same as if you buy a computer game like World of Warcraft and pay it constantly with 3% month after month. If you don't believe me try it out. Play times with a Provider until you have won times what larger for example with 1€v1000€ then plays times of the respective operator the slots and you will find there is nothing more. No matter at which casino you play you will lose. So people I hope this will help many addicts to help them stop playing because it is just from my point of view is a scam.
Since the first 10 sentences were already garbage I stopped reading... I had started to play online casino and 20 € paid in the end 500 € paid out, would be impossible according to your view! What are you forn hobby programmer?
Not sure sometimes if the doubters here know that all games need approval before they can be released.
The providers can't just throw the games on the market like that.
In Germany, all games (or game packages), whether offline or online, are controlled by a federal authority (PTB) before approval.
If there are any discrepancies, they would notice. This is not a nodding society, they check relatively strictly.
There will certainly be similar authorities in other countries.
The last weeks and months the following happens : I open a game and start it, and after a few minutes the game stalls and no win comes, Nix! Sons of bitches they are all!
Geeman wrote on 27/07/2020 at 10:13 am: The last few weeks and months the following happens : I open a game and start it, and after a few minutes the game stalls and no win comes, Nix! Sons of bitches are all of them!
The regulatory office in our city also regularly checks the vending machines,
it is not only a question of checking whether the machine is approved.
They also check whether it is set correctly.
I don't want to talk about all the tea rooms, the cultural associations, it's ehh offtopic.
But there are at least 4 vending machines in every restaurant....they do not need a Concession,
and the machines are designated as non-profit gambling machines.
The wins then pays the chairman of the club itself...
Geeman wrote on 27/07/2020 at 10:13 am: The last few weeks and months the following happens : I open a game and start it, and after a few minutes the game stalls and no win comes, Nix! Sons of bitches are all of them!
Why do you have to express yourself like this?
Frustration because much loss? Who gambles must assume that you lose in the end and who loses control over it should stop playing
You do not have to express yourself here so!
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 07/26/2020 at 19:05: @Katharina2
Why there are casinos even though there are providers?
Why do you buy your groceries at the supermarket, and not directly from the wholesaler?
A Provider is a provider, a casino is a casino.
@blackmamba
We did have a similar discussion in a previous thread.
We couldn't be further apart in our opinions.
Unlike others, I think you express yourself in a chosen way, and it's fun to discuss it with you because you are convinced of your opinion. Seriously.
Of course I don't know the exact contracts between the provider and the casino. You don't know them either.
Probably nobody here knows them.
One fact to be noted is that the casinos pay the providers, so the providers earn money.
The casino wins money from the total loss of all players.
There is no logical reason why they should cheat additionally. Except just the greed for the profit.
But there comes the point again. Why? The casino always wins automatically, no matter which or how many players win.
The with Gauselmann I have vaguely noticed (sometime what read about it), I have with it however
not intensively occupied with it. If I have information gaps here, I ask for understanding and clarification.
But the main thing about the Gauselmann story was that it was on stationary machines, right?
I think that doesn't quite fit in here.
I think the account terminations, payment bans, etc. simply have to do with the law.
It is a gray area in Germany to play online casinos. According to German law prohibited, according to EU law allowed.
Because of the chargeback danger, PayPal has withdrawn from Online Casinos, which is absolutely understandable.
Thank you for the compliment. But I can only return it. I think you can be quite factual with 2 different
Argue with two different opinions. I don't like it when you always just scream evidence, or take everything as the casinos
say that.
Had this written before: I do not want to stop anyone from gambling. I have myself long enough. But since my mistrust
became bigger and bigger, you have to be consistent and stop. Otherwise it is really hirnrissig.
I would just like to make you think. All the information we have comes from the casinos themselves or from players with experience
with experience. Alone the fact that casinos so in the dark wursteln, should give one to think. Likewise, that the casinos
themselves say that everything is fair and secure, but can not or will not prove anything.
And there must be a protection, or it can not depend only on luck.
A casino must protect itself. Otherwise I open a new one, 100 Highroller come and play with their 50-100€, everyone wins
80.000€, because everything depends on luck, and the casino is broke.
Believe, each entrepreneur would protect itself against such a thing! Would it really only depend on luck, would have to actually much
more casinos go broke. And the big ones in the industry, there seems to be even more wrong. How else can you get so big in a
luck-based game become so large?
But enough of that, we are repeating ourselves and going around in circles. Let everyone gamble or not gamble, as he likes!
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since you set up/repairs after your comments even machines ?
can also say nothing about it or how are you not allowed?
or can you tell me - if you know - for what is good in the spilo or in the real casino if there times son couple of guys come in vending machines nen key and reset the machine what has that for a reason?
In the real casino they always do that after a Jackpot and in the spilo I've seen that more often when you were in there in the morning 2-3 guys came with a key and have reset 3 of about 20 machines and left again
do you know the reason behind it would be curious what that makes sense or why they do that?
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exactly. and when would have ever a company seriously considered not to maximize the win? and win means in this case that others must lose (is in the nature of the thing, but since here no goods or service is sold but simply money is generated, the conditions are again (intensified) different, as if it would be a "normal" possibly even listed real estate company)
not to control a variable in a company that can be controlled - or not to monitor / exploit it and to shake the greatest possible monetary potential onto the table - that is complete madness from a capitalist point of view. no entrepreneur in the world would agree to that. now casino owners and providers, of all people, will not be the big exception.
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Since the first 10 sentences were already garbage I stopped reading... I had started to play online casino and 20 € paid in the end 500 € paid out, would be impossible according to your view! What are you forn hobby programmer?
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The providers can't just throw the games on the market like that.
In Germany, all games (or game packages), whether offline or online, are controlled by a federal authority (PTB) before approval.
If there are any discrepancies, they would notice. This is not a nodding society, they check relatively strictly.
There will certainly be similar authorities in other countries.
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Stop gambling then.
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it is not only a question of checking whether the machine is approved.
They also check whether it is set correctly.
I don't want to talk about all the tea rooms, the cultural associations, it's ehh offtopic.
But there are at least 4 vending machines in every restaurant....they do not need a Concession,
and the machines are designated as non-profit gambling machines.
The wins then pays the chairman of the club itself...
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Why do you have to express yourself like this?
Frustration because much loss? Who gambles must assume that you lose in the end and who loses control over it should stop playing
You do not have to express yourself here so!
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Thank you for the compliment. But I can only return it. I think you can be quite factual with 2 different
Argue with two different opinions. I don't like it when you always just scream evidence, or take everything as the casinos
say that.
Had this written before: I do not want to stop anyone from gambling. I have myself long enough. But since my mistrust
became bigger and bigger, you have to be consistent and stop. Otherwise it is really hirnrissig.
I would just like to make you think. All the information we have comes from the casinos themselves or from players with experience
with experience. Alone the fact that casinos so in the dark wursteln, should give one to think. Likewise, that the casinos
themselves say that everything is fair and secure, but can not or will not prove anything.
And there must be a protection, or it can not depend only on luck.
A casino must protect itself. Otherwise I open a new one, 100 Highroller come and play with their 50-100€, everyone wins
80.000€, because everything depends on luck, and the casino is broke.
Believe, each entrepreneur would protect itself against such a thing! Would it really only depend on luck, would have to actually much
more casinos go broke. And the big ones in the industry, there seems to be even more wrong. How else can you get so big in a
luck-based game become so large?
But enough of that, we are repeating ourselves and going around in circles. Let everyone gamble or not gamble, as he likes!
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