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Online Casinos in general: Chargeback then win? (Page 7)

Topic created on 13th Aug. 2020 | Page: 7 of 8 | Answers: 79 | Views: 15,456
Daniel0827
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:07 pm CEST#61
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ruhrpott wrote on 08/25/2020 at 22:02: Within 10 minutes from "I want screenshots to submit it to the MGA" to "will resolve anyway since it takes too much time".
Now then

Exactly, because the first quote, entails the second quote. And that's why it will dissolve, because I don't have time to discuss it for another half a year.

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Daniel0827
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:10 pm CEST#62
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ruhrpott wrote on 25.08.2020 at 22:06

You just do not understand that this was solely your fault and you do not have the right to say anything bad about the casino. Had you simply not booked the coal back and especially then not always further by umzig contact attempts to clear your conscience so far to come letztendich somehow to the coal of the bet, you would not have "lost" a single minute.

Yes, I understand the first sentence, I have expressed several times. If I had not booked the coal back, then the problem would not exist, was a mistake as already said. Finally to come to the coal, which stood with the first establishment of contact still completely in the stars ...I expressed also several times. It is on the Internet In my account 'fraud'...That was for me the crucial point on 11 August and initially nothing else.
I did not like that. I just didn't think about the whole thing in advance, even with return debit notes you are not immediately dubbed a fraudster on the Internet. The fact that I would like to balance this then is nevertheless only right. There are people who have used this type of chargeback to recoup thousands of euros and even got justice in court. Isn't the better way to deal with this situation?
I think we have different opinions, but that's why we are in a discussion forum

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ruhrpott
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:12 pm CEST#63
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Daniel0827 wrote on 25.08.2020 at 22:10
Yes, the first sentence I understand I have expressed several times. Had I not booked the coal back, then the problem would not exist, was a mistake as just already said. Ultimately to get the coal, which was still completely in the stars at the first contact ...I have also expressed several times.
I believe we have there different views but for it we are also in a discussion forum

We have not only that, we have completely different ideas of morality

If I have already made shit (and we all have in life for sure), then I leave it at that and do not try to pull out the last little bit somewhere

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Daniel0827
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:15 pm CEST#64
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ruhrpott wrote on 25.08.2020 at 22:12

Not only that, we have entirely different ideas of morality

If I have already f**ked up(and we all have in life for sure), then I leave it at that and don't try to pull out the last little bit somewhere

That is, in your opinion, I should not have offered to compensate for my mistake and pay back the 190 €?
Would you have seen it the same way if the bet had not been in play?
Well, I raise my children according to the motto: if you already build shit, then iron it out again. The different view is based here I think purely on the fact that there is still money from the other side in the game And that I am assumed that this is my only drive

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ruhrpott
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:18 pm CEST#65
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Daniel0827 wrote on 25/08/2020 at 22:15
I.e. in your opinion I should not have offered to make up for my mistake and pay back the €190 at all?
Would you have seen it the same way had the bet not been in play?
Well, I raise my children according to the motto: if you already build shit, then iron them out again. I think the difference in opinion here is based purely on the fact that there is still money involved from the other side and that it is assumed that this is my only motivation

Of course you should pay back the money. But without a thought about the bet

And yes, that's exactly the point, and I alluded to it at the time on the 3rd page of the thread. (14.8.)

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Daniel0827
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:27 pm CEST#66
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ruhrpott wrote on 25.08.2020 at 22:18

Of course you should pay back the dough. But without a thought about the bet

And yes, that is exactly the point, and I had already hinted at it on the 3rd page of the thread at the time. (14.8.)

See, and that's exactly how I saw it when I realized my account was disabled. I did not know until then that the chargeback was passed on to Tipico but thought the payment Provider had simply dropped it (the account was never set to minus at PayPal)
Now I have offered the repayment for the first time on 11 August, inquired several times what possibilities there are Tipico to get the money and I was told again and again I have to reverse the chargebacks at PayPal (which is not possible).

The payment from my side would have been made in any case, hence my numerous mails. The security that I can use the account again I would never have had anyway.

Ultimately, the outcome of the bet of course now plays a role because it would be possible to show goodwill



Regardless of this, it has not yet managed to call me any way to repay the amount. Instead, today at noon said the account remains closed and the amount in default is no longer mentioned at all🤷♂️ So they will not let me make up for my mistake and I stand at least in my casino account still as a fraudster or they accept the fraud, probably for O.g. reasons

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ruhrpott
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:33 pm CEST#67
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Daniel0827 wrote on 25.08.2020 at 22:27
You see and that's exactly how I saw it when I realized that my account is deactivated. I did not know until then that the chargeback was passed on to Tipico but thought the payment Provider had simply dropped it (the account was never set to minus at PayPal)
Now I have offered the repayment for the first time on 11 August, inquired several times what possibilities there are Tipico to get the money and I was told again and again I have to reverse the chargebacks at PayPal (which is not possible).

The payment from my side would have been made in any case, hence my numerous mails. The security that I can use the account again I would never have had anyway.

Ultimately, the outcome of the bet of course now plays a role because it would be possible to show goodwill



Regardless of this, it has not yet managed to call me any way to repay the amount. Instead, today at noon said the account remains closed and the default amount is no longer mentioned at all🤷♂️ So they will not let me make up for my mistake and I stand at least in my casino account still as a fraudster or they accept the fraud, probably for O.g. reasons

Have you ever sent an email to this address? dpo@tipico.com
This is actually for data protection matters, but I would still try it.

Or a fax to the number: +356 25 707 099

These are the data given on the homepage.
Maybe you get, in relation to ne Deposit to balance the account there ne answer.

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Daniel0827
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Chargeback then win?

25th Aug. 2020, at 10:43 pm CEST#68
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Thank you for the search. I'll just wait for the next mail, if there is nothing perfect I'll try the other email address. Can not imagine with the best will, that there is no possibility to balance arrears, if it is not possible via the original way.

Unfortunately, I can't derive much from their e-mails either, since there are always a maximum of three sentences that don't even begin to refer to my longer e-mails or to the case itself. And as I said, unfortunately, constantly different clerks. Today, as mentioned earlier, Sophie announced the final decision, but then writes on my next e-mail that my request was forwarded to the right place. Everything a bit complicated with the communication

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Mo1985
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Chargeback then win?

26th Aug. 2020, at 10:09 am CEST#69
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Hello Daniel0827,

Tipico doesn't want the 190€ from you, because they have the money from PayPal for a long time.

Nevertheless, you have broken the terms and conditions and will remain blocked at Tipico forever and the win is also gone. Since the MGA can not help you.

Instead, you will get mail from the collection service of Paypal. Expect about 300-350€ in total costs to get rid of the debt. Your Tipico account will remain forever closed after payment.

Kind regards

P.S: That you proactively informed Tipico about your fraud was quite stupid. Maybe they would not have noticed without your info.

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upola
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Chargeback then win?

26th Aug. 2020, at 10:52 am CEST#70
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I think this is a rumor that a collection service will contact you.

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