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11th Apr. 2024, at 06:24 pm CEST#31
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mtorero wrote on 11.04.2024 at 17:38: As I've said somewhere before, the banks are now part of the German Stasi and their employees don't have much else to do than monitor your account movements and forward them immediately in case of suspicion. (On the orders of the current Minister of Defense, back when he was still Prime Minister - if you want to google, maybe he was given a big black suitcase by Gauselmann&Friends at a nice dinner lol)
You can be the most loyal, best customer, it doesn't matter. That's why direct bank transfers to Online Casinos are no longer recommended. (Licensed casinos of course no problem, but I'm talking about casinos)
If, for example, I fly to Las Vegas and bring money home from the casino or gamble online during a short trip to Finland and withdraw it as crypto money, for example, our greedy politicians, judiciary, banks and lobbyists do not yet have the right to prohibit me from doing so!
How much more freedom is to be taken away from us?
Well, someone is really well-disposed towards our country here 😅
My question remains: How do you play online in a casino abroad? Don't you need a valid registration address for Verification?
I haven't actually won anything big, but I take almost no Bonuses that I have to wager. As a result, I have a lot of depositors, but also a lot of withdrawals, so I don't have a loss and am even a bit in the plus, haha...
Two years ago, it was all still a gray area and was more or less not controlled or tolerated. Are there any meaningful court rulings from that time?
The state needs money... is broke....what they don't condemn or demand back.... As already mentioned, they have appointed extra civil servants for this purpose. I'm still not afraid...what do I have to lose ..that I haven't already lost? I won't give you an answer to your question. I can't see through it myself
The only thing that worries me is the case from Ravensburg where the player was not only convicted, but also had to pay back the win. It involved deposits and withdrawals of 2-300 euros and a win of 2300 euros. In my case, the win of 54,000 was the reason for the termination and the complaint 😅
hustlehoff wrote on 11.04.2024 at 15:05: Time ne question can that actually work in court if you stubbornly claim that you played from abroad? How do they want to prove that? As if the casinos give out your IP addresses on request? And why don't the casinos simply allow VPNs for German players? Then the state can do 0? It's only illegal if you play there from Germany, isn't it? There are also Unique Socks5 proxies from other countries to buy/rent that are not assigned to a VPN Provider or a proxy service, these are then completely normal IPs that do not originate from a large data center.
It could work, but you'll be liable to prosecution in court at the latest if you lie, because if they find out anyway, you'll certainly have more problems
You could say this to the police or the like and the public prosecutor might not want to pursue it because you are not obliged to tell the truth
WithoutWings wrote on 11.04.2024 at 20:08: The only thing that worries me is the case from Ravensburg where the player was not only convicted, but also had to pay back the win. It was about deposits and withdrawals of 2-300 euros and a win of 2300 euros. In my case, the win of 54,000 was the reason for the termination and the complaint 😅
WithoutWings wrote on 11.04.2024 at 20:08: The only thing that worries me is the case from Ravensburg where the player was not only convicted, but also had to pay back the win. It was about deposits and withdrawals of 2-300 euros and a win of 2300 euros. In my case, the win of 54,000 was the reason for the termination and the complaint 😅
You didn't know about the ban, a good lawyer will get you out of it Pay a €54,000 fine for gambling with money that you've probably already paid tax on and only spent as you wanted, so I'll tell you the truth, if this goes through, the pitchforks will come and that'll be enough
But I would really get a lawyer for a sum like that, I can well imagine that one or the other is already licking their fingers for the fine for the state coffers and they might not want to let you off so easily a good lawyer can help the decision a bit, at least if he can argue well
There are some really top lawyers with whom nobody wants to go to court, but I think I would invest that for a €54,000 repayment
I'm a bit lucky that a good friend works at the public prosecutor's office and I've already got a good lawyer from her to inspect the files. I'll report back
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WithoutWings wrote on 12.04.2024 at 11:36 am: I'm a little lucky that a good friend works at the public prosecutor's office and I've already got a good lawyer from her to inspect the files. I report
99% that the "file"
Only bank statements + the names of some casinos where you are supposed to have deposited and withdrawn. It will be done quickly, because for a conviction you have to prove "intent", which is virtually impossible.
My file consisted only of account statements and in some cases statements that the depositors could not be assigned. The investigation began in January 2023, after I was terminated by Commerzbank in June 2022. It wasn't until November 2023 that the public prosecutor's office received it and the letter reached me in March.
I suggested to the public prosecutor that the proceedings be discontinued in return for a donation of €500 to Glücksspielsuchthilfe and it was accepted.
So don't worry, either the proceedings will be dropped on their own or you can help out with a small sum.
However, if you are massively in the red, it will come out of the files and the state will take your win.
Just bank statements + the names of some casinos where you are said to have deposited and withdrawn. Will be done quickly, because for a conviction you have to prove "intent", which is almost impossible.
I would be careful with that statement. Especially if the list consists of many casinos, as in my case, it will be difficult to talk your way out of it. You can artificially prolong the proceedings and thus drive up the legal fees, or you can stop the proceedings with a small sum. I deposited well over 80k and got away with €500. I wouldn't Risk going to court.
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12th Apr. 2024, at 01:42 pm CEST#45
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Solos1995 wrote on 12.04.2024 at 13:26:
I would be careful with that statement. Especially if the list consists of many casinos, as in my case, it will be difficult to talk your way out of it. You can artificially prolong the proceedings and thus drive up the legal fees or stop the proceedings with a small sum. I deposited well over 80k and got away with €500. I wouldn't Risk going to court.
Of course not, that's why I went straight to a lawyer - but a specialist lawyer knows what he's doing. My defense was barely 3 pages long and was hardly contestable. It was worth 500 euros! And how can you prove "intent"? Casinos constantly advertise or have advertised for a long time with valid licenses, there have been TV commercials, the sites are all in German, etc. - nobody can see through that, and the public prosecutor's office knows that. Unfortunately, they have to investigate every report. As I was already insolvent, there was nothing more to be gained - it can be different with large wins that are still in the account..
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Well, someone is really well-disposed towards our country here 😅
My question remains: How do you play online in a casino abroad? Don't you need a valid registration address for Verification?
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I haven't actually won anything big, but I take almost no Bonuses that I have to wager. As a result, I have a lot of depositors, but also a lot of withdrawals, so I don't have a loss and am even a bit in the plus, haha...
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The state needs money... is broke....what they don't condemn or demand back.... As already mentioned, they have appointed extra civil servants for this purpose. I'm still not afraid...what do I have to lose ..that I haven't already lost? I won't give you an answer to your question. I can't see through it myself
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It could work, but you'll be liable to prosecution in court at the latest if you lie, because if they find out anyway, you'll certainly have more problems
You could say this to the police or the like and the public prosecutor might not want to pursue it because you are not obliged to tell the truth
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You didn't know about the ban, a good lawyer will get you out of it Pay a €54,000 fine for gambling with money that you've probably already paid tax on and only spent as you wanted, so I'll tell you the truth, if this goes through, the pitchforks will come and that'll be enough
But I would really get a lawyer for a sum like that, I can well imagine that one or the other is already licking their fingers for the fine for the state coffers and they might not want to let you off so easily a good lawyer can help the decision a bit, at least if he can argue well
There are some really top lawyers with whom nobody wants to go to court, but I think I would invest that for a €54,000 repayment
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99% that the "file"
Only bank statements + the names of some casinos where you are supposed to have deposited and withdrawn. It will be done quickly, because for a conviction you have to prove "intent", which is virtually impossible.
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I suggested to the public prosecutor that the proceedings be discontinued in return for a donation of €500 to Glücksspielsuchthilfe and it was accepted.
So don't worry, either the proceedings will be dropped on their own or you can help out with a small sum.
However, if you are massively in the red, it will come out of the files and the state will take your win.
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I would be careful with that statement. Especially if the list consists of many casinos, as in my case, it will be difficult to talk your way out of it. You can artificially prolong the proceedings and thus drive up the legal fees, or you can stop the proceedings with a small sum. I deposited well over 80k and got away with €500. I wouldn't Risk going to court.
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Of course not, that's why I went straight to a lawyer - but a specialist lawyer knows what he's doing. My defense was barely 3 pages long and was hardly contestable. It was worth 500 euros! And how can you prove "intent"? Casinos constantly advertise or have advertised for a long time with valid licenses, there have been TV commercials, the sites are all in German, etc. - nobody can see through that, and the public prosecutor's office knows that. Unfortunately, they have to investigate every report. As I was already insolvent, there was nothing more to be gained - it can be different with large wins that are still in the account..
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