Online Casinos in general: A lot of money gambled away, chargeback possible? (Page 32)

gamble1 wrote on 25.11.2022 at 21:30
You've been here since 2020 and you seriously want to make believe you didn't know it was a grey area ? That's like buying drugs every day from the Dealer and when the police come you say waaaaaaasssss ohhhh howeeee forbidden I no I didn't know that

Foreclosure is quite nice in theory but how many casinos activate the Insi mode and are with the same people slightly changed again somewhere else at the start

Apart from that the judicial cards are currently not so positive for the chargebackers even if lawyers like to tell something different

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Dombr89 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 9:43 pm

What a moronic post.Just because I am registered here I must know that casinos are illegal?😂I had registered here at the time because I had a problem with Twin and after that I was inactive here until recently.The rest here has never interested me.Settled in the end in real life and not in some nern Internet forum.Even if you should lose, you've at least tried 😊✌️

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Dutch78 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:09 pm
Who are you kidding here?

You already knew that in 2020.



Twin continues with .com, has no .com/de site or else. Interest in a
german license. They offer illegally, according to German law. From Friday
would be an end to it. Still hope they come to their senses and pay out.


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Dombr89
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Twin doesn't pay out and takes forever to run
13.10.2020, at 10:59 am#12

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Is that so? I'm really disappointed.Would have played there certainly a very long time.But good that I now know what this casino is concerned.I will take my necessary steps.The really bad thing about the whole thing is not even the 700 euros on which I'm waiting.But that one is deliberately screwed over such a period.I have fortunately saved all the conversations I got with the chat and by mail.It seemed funny to me that I had to wait every time 3-4 days for an answer and I was always told something new.Pure stalling

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Dombr89 wrote on 25.11.2022 at 21:43: So just because I am registered here I must know that casinos are illegal?😂

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Jubla2014 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:07 pm: @Dombr89

Without wanting to attack you, you can add as many pretty smileys to your posts, your statements become more uncertain and confused from post to post.

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Dutch78 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:17 pm

That was the only point, of course you knew that at least since 2020.

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Dombr89 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:22 pm

Because anyone writes anything anywhere in it must not be true for a long time.Especially not in an anonymous casino forum.And as already said my complaint has nothing to do with Twin and is therefore completely out of context.Or do you want to insinuate me because 2020 me once someone has written under a post that Twin acts illegally that I must immediately assume that all casinos are illegal?😃

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gamble1 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:41 pm

Now come on then at least be honest and admit that you knew exactly what is going on with the casinos and DE


I've said it before Online Casinos have been so pushed at least in 2018 and I do not buy anyone who claims his money back that he had a nightly spontaneous intuition that these casinos run over a gray area

Most people got Donald Duck like eyes and thought "Hey cool I gamble now and if I lose I make on ignorant victim of the evil casinos"

I do not want to insinuate anything but you can not deny that there were certainly some who thought so but this is similar to the selfish shoplifter always to the detriment of others and this is simply a dirt attitude because illegal or not you always had a chance to win money and if you had that you would not think now to the back book

The illegality in this matter has 0.0 with the actual gaming zutun it serves only for all as a pretextual argument to free Zocken durchzuboxen

Apart from that Twin was also sentenced to payback I think, there was no money until today

Stakes may not remain with the illegal gambling provider

The Civil Code basically regulates that someone who makes use of an illegal offer cannot get their money back later. If a gambler knows that the gambling offer is illegal, he would have to go away empty-handed and cannot demand his gambled money back. The Munich Higher Regional Court, however, sees things differently in its current decision and formulates its reasoning surprisingly clearly. Accordingly, a gambler should get his vaults back, regardless of whether he knew about the illegality of the gambling offer or not. The ban, which is generally provided for in the Civil Code, must be disregarded in cases of this kind. The court argues that otherwise the gambler's gambled stake would remain permanently with the illegal gambling provider. This would lead to the prohibition of online gambling being undermined. In the view of the OLG Munich, this result is unacceptable. The illegality of gambling transactions is based on regulations that are intended to protect precisely the party making the payment - i.e., the player. An exclusion of the repayment claim due to knowledge of the illegality would undermine this protection and could therefore not be tolerated by the legal system

Appeal to the Federal Court of Justice not admitted

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Dombr89 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:44 pm

I definitely didn't know about it!I can't judge everything else.


But doesn't seem to matter much anyway if you look at recent events.

Legal disputes about repayment claims by players against Online Casinos in connection with online gambling have been doing the rounds for quite some time and are gaining more and more media presence. Now the online gambling industry suffered another bitter defeat. The rights of consumers, on the other hand, have been massively strengthened. The Munich Higher Regional Court now ruled on a case involving illegal online gambling for the first time in a decision dated 20.09.2022 (Case No. 18 U 538/22). Previously, the courts mainly dealt with constellations in which the players did not know that the offer was illegal. The Munich Higher Regional Court has now ruled that players can reclaim their losses even if they knew that the online gambling was illegal. In this article, we explain the background to the decision and how affected consumers can reclaim their gambling stakes.

Stakes may not remain with the illegal gambling provider

The Civil Code basically regulates that someone who makes use of an illegal offer cannot get their money back later. If a gambler knows that the gambling offer is illegal, he would have to go away empty-handed and cannot demand his gambled money back. The Munich Higher Regional Court, however, sees this differently in its current decision and formulates its reasoning surprisingly clearly. Accordingly, a gambler should get his vaults back, regardless of whether he knew about the illegality of the gambling offer or not. The ban, which is generally provided for in the Civil Code, must be disregarded in cases of this kind. The court argues that otherwise the gambler's gambled stake would remain permanently with the illegal gambling provider. This would lead to the prohibition of online gambling being undermined. In the view of the OLG Munich, this result is unacceptable. The illegality of gambling transactions is based on regulations that are intended to protect precisely the party making the payment - i.e., the player. An exclusion of the repayment claim due to knowledge of the illegality would undermine this protection and could therefore not be tolerated by the legal system

Appeal to the Federal Court of Justice not admitted

Surprisingly, the Munich Higher Regional Court did not allow an appeal to the Federal Court of Justice in the case decided. A court of appeal can refuse to take the case to the Federal Court of Justice if, for example, it does not consider the case to be of fundamental importance or if it is not necessary to secure uniform case law.

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