But it is an insinuation to say everyone knew that it is illegal.That is not so!We are all no judges.Those who get their money back in the end, will get it back because they are in the right.And those who lose in court, lose halt.It is and remains up to everyone how to proceed.
My comment refers to those who were aware of this fact and that are certainly not a few, because you deal with the issue yet, if you pay in.
Klagen weden certainly not those who have paid only a few euros, here it will be about larger sums and who pays in sum just this, which must be familiar with this subject.
If that is not so, that is in my eyes grossly negligent and partly self-inflicted.
What do we do now with those who were only aware of this fact after the fact and made bigger wins?
Ethically and morally, they would be obligated to reimburse the casino for the wins minus the losses, because only then would the circle close.
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Blubbo33 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:12 AM
If you are going to argue like that you should stick to the truth!
I think out of 100 99 know that it is illegal!
Can always smile about it when I read something like that, the gamblers search the Internet like paysafe, Jeton, Skrill or Neteller work to be able to pay in and out and if the coal is gone I get me a lawyer!
Man that believes not even one of the pants with the pinch makes!
If you already defend something like that then you must also recognize facts and argue differently, otherwise it's just hot air!
That you think 100 of 99 know about it but is not enough.All just speculating.Here are also missing the facts.So let's leave the pointless back and forth "assume" because that does not bring one further.The courts decide how it turns out and no man who writes posts in a forum.Whether for / against the casinos.Point.
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Dutch78 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:14 AM
My comment refers to those who were aware of this fact and that is certainly not a few, since you do deal with the issue when you pay in.
Klagen weden certainly not those who have paid only a few euros, here it will be about larger sums and who In sum just this paid in, which must be familiar with this subject.
If that is not so, that is in my eyes grossly negligent and partly self-inflicted.
What do we do now with those who were only aware of this fact after the fact and made bigger wins?
Ethically and morally, they would be obligated to reimburse the casino for the wins minus the losses, because only then would the circle close.
The casinos have but also the possibility to take legal action and also to reclaim the winnings? Why does not happen? Simply because they know that it was not legal what they did.I pull out now also.There will always be two sides, and you have to accept that.The future will decide about right / wrong.
My comment refers to those who were aware of this fact and they are certainly not few, since you do deal with the issue when you pay in.
Klagen weden certainly not those who have paid only a few euros, here it will be about larger sums and who In sum just this paid in, which must be familiar with this subject.
If that is not so, that is in my eyes grossly negligent and partly self-inflicted.
What do we do now with those who were only aware of this fact after the fact and made bigger wins?
Ethically and morally, they would be obligated to reimburse the casino for the wins minus the losses, because only then would the circle close.
I assume that 95% (maybe even more) of the plaintiffs only use the pretext of addiction/ignorance (lol) to justify themselves. I think it's a shame that the saying "ignorance is no excuse" is not recognized in court.
The really REAL gambling addicts can get their money back, but only if they can prove a legal guardian. Otherwise, it's straight off to the next casino.
Here in the forum one sees it yes to hauf. There are people who are supposedly addicted to gambling. To register in such a forum is of course rarely stupid.
My cousin tried this way via a legal cost financer or via a law firm that generates its capital from such business.
But he was rejected.
What concerns the generalizing:
I gamble for ages, currently to 98% only sports betting, because for me as a sports fan more interesting, I have a large circle of acquaintances, in which very many also pursue this hobby, and nothing else should be.
I know honestly, you have many conversations in this regard, not a single one who does not know in what milieu he moves.
All know about the illegality, or gray area, or however you want to see it.
Hence my admittedly bold thesis.
Personally, I consider this double standard to be a highly negative trait.
But, as I said, everyone should and must decide for themselves.
I have just suffered a very high loss through various World Cup tips, I know both sides of the coin, would it occur to me even once to claim losses?
Not at all!
Self-blame, closing time, Basta, there could be the casino in question illegal or operated by Mafiosis, never.
No hard feelings!
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Jubla2014 wrote on 11/25/2022 at 10:20 AM: @Dombr89
I especially agree with your last sentence.
Yes, it is up to each person to know what they are doing.
My cousin tried this way via a legal cost financer or via a law firm that generates its capital from such business.
But he was rejected.
What concerns the generalizing:
I gamble for ages, currently to 98% only sports betting, because for me as a sports fan more interesting, I have a large circle of acquaintances, in which very many also pursue this hobby, and nothing else should be.
I know honestly, you have many conversations in this regard, not a single one who does not know in what milieu he moves.
All know about the illegality, or gray area, or however you want to see it.
Hence my admittedly bold thesis.
Personally, I consider this double standard to be a highly negative trait.
But, as I said, everyone should and must decide for themselves.
I have just suffered a very high loss through various World Cup tips, I know both sides of the coin, would it occur to me even once to claim losses?
Not at all!
Self-blame, closing time, Basta, there could be the casino in question illegal or operated by Mafiosis, never.
No hard feelings!
This topic is unfortunately a bottomless pit.Would all leave the casinos alone from a moral point of view and let them continue to make their money illegally here then it would also be morally indefensible.Because one would approve of accepting the money is made with addicted people.One is not a better person just because one swallows the "loss".And one is also not a worse person just because one proceeds against it.Both sides have something to reproach themselves and now it is to check in each case who is in the right and wrong.
So let me get this straight, you're only referring to morals?
You really shouldn't care about morals in this business, so there's nothing to stop you from getting a lawyer involved
Where is the morality when Online Casinos collect more than 1000 € per month or to point out the laws?
Where is the morality, if the system recognizes, someone exaggerates it but one says nothing, since each customer is important?
Where is the morality when withdrawals can go months but deposits are always made immediately?
Where is the morale when you are suddenly banned for no reason when your wins are too high?
Where is the morality when children see sports betting ads during the Bundesliga?
Where is the morality, if the machines are manipulated in online casinos and also in the Live Casino (there is enough evidence on Youtube)?
Stop it. You are just defending these rich scammers who are completely screwing us poor people who have an addiction and completely undress us
it's scary to see how sick you are defending these scammers
table1 wrote on 25.11.2022 at 11:06: So let me get this straight, you are only referring to morals?
You really shouldn't care about that in this business, so there's nothing to stop you from getting a lawyer involved
Where is the morality when Online Casinos collect more than 1000 € per month or to point out the laws?
Where is the morality, if the system recognizes, someone exaggerates it but one says nothing, since each customer is important?
Where is the morality when withdrawals can go months but deposits are always made immediately?
Where is the morale when you are suddenly banned for no reason when your wins are too high?
Where is the morality when children see sports betting ads during the Bundesliga?
Give me a break. You are just defending these rich cheaters who are completely screwing us poor people who have an addiction and completely undressing us
it's scary to see how sick you are defending these scammers
-That's not the point. You pay in, although you know that it is illegal. Ergo: Self-blame -> Risk accepted.
-What does exaggerate mean? Everyone has different means at his disposal.
-Bad casino
-Bad casino
-Has nothing to do with the subject.
Basically, no one is defending the casinos. People are (rightly) approached who want to get their losses back by means of a lawyer.
Please stop hiding behind the cloak of illegality.
-That's not the point. You pay in even though you know it's illegal. Ergo: self fault -> Risk accepted.
-What does exaggerate mean? Everyone has different means at his disposal.
-Bad casino
-Bad casino
-Has nothing to do with the subject.
Basically, no one is defending the casinos. People are (rightly) approached who want to get their losses back by means of a lawyer.
Please stop hiding behind the cloak of illegality.
Why are you picking on me? Why does no one here talk about the father state? He is responsible for it but on the contrary, he looks on nicely and collects the taxes!
Here there should be a stop sign but that would be impossible
In every advertisement you are given the feeling that this is legal and accordingly many sign up and give it a try. It is exactly the same as Lotto but there the acceptance is strangely much higher
The double standard comes from you who protect such Online Casinos scammers!
Why are you picking on me? Why is no one here talking about father state? He is responsible for it but on the contrary, he watches nicely and collects the taxes!
Here there should be a stop sign but that would be impossible
In every advertisement you are given the feeling that this is legal and accordingly many sign up and give it a try. It is exactly the same as Lotto but there the acceptance is strangely much higher
The double standard comes from you who protect such Online Casinos scammers!
A lot of money gambled away, chargeback possible?
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My comment refers to those who were aware of this fact and that are certainly not a few, because you deal with the issue yet, if you pay in.
Klagen weden certainly not those who have paid only a few euros, here it will be about larger sums and who pays in sum just this, which must be familiar with this subject.
If that is not so, that is in my eyes grossly negligent and partly self-inflicted.
What do we do now with those who were only aware of this fact after the fact and made bigger wins?
Ethically and morally, they would be obligated to reimburse the casino for the wins minus the losses, because only then would the circle close.
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That you think 100 of 99 know about it but is not enough.All just speculating.Here are also missing the facts.So let's leave the pointless back and forth "assume" because that does not bring one further.The courts decide how it turns out and no man who writes posts in a forum.Whether for / against the casinos.Point.
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The casinos have but also the possibility to take legal action and also to reclaim the winnings? Why does not happen? Simply because they know that it was not legal what they did.I pull out now also.There will always be two sides, and you have to accept that.The future will decide about right / wrong.
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I assume that 95% (maybe even more) of the plaintiffs only use the pretext of addiction/ignorance (lol) to justify themselves. I think it's a shame that the saying "ignorance is no excuse" is not recognized in court.
The really REAL gambling addicts can get their money back, but only if they can prove a legal guardian. Otherwise, it's straight off to the next casino.
Here in the forum one sees it yes to hauf. There are people who are supposedly addicted to gambling. To register in such a forum is of course rarely stupid.
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I especially agree with your last sentence.
Yes, everyone must know for himself what he does.
My cousin tried this way via a legal cost financer or via a law firm that generates its capital from such business.
But he was rejected.
What concerns the generalizing:
I gamble for ages, currently to 98% only sports betting, because for me as a sports fan more interesting, I have a large circle of acquaintances, in which very many also pursue this hobby, and nothing else should be.
I know honestly, you have many conversations in this regard, not a single one who does not know in what milieu he moves.
All know about the illegality, or gray area, or however you want to see it.
Hence my admittedly bold thesis.
Personally, I consider this double standard to be a highly negative trait.
But, as I said, everyone should and must decide for themselves.
I have just suffered a very high loss through various World Cup tips, I know both sides of the coin, would it occur to me even once to claim losses?
Not at all!
Self-blame, closing time, Basta, there could be the casino in question illegal or operated by Mafiosis, never.
No hard feelings!
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This topic is unfortunately a bottomless pit.Would all leave the casinos alone from a moral point of view and let them continue to make their money illegally here then it would also be morally indefensible.Because one would approve of accepting the money is made with addicted people.One is not a better person just because one swallows the "loss".And one is also not a worse person just because one proceeds against it.Both sides have something to reproach themselves and now it is to check in each case who is in the right and wrong.
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You really shouldn't care about morals in this business, so there's nothing to stop you from getting a lawyer involved
Where is the morality when Online Casinos collect more than 1000 € per month or to point out the laws?
Where is the morality, if the system recognizes, someone exaggerates it but one says nothing, since each customer is important?
Where is the morality when withdrawals can go months but deposits are always made immediately?
Where is the morale when you are suddenly banned for no reason when your wins are too high?
Where is the morality when children see sports betting ads during the Bundesliga?
Where is the morality, if the machines are manipulated in online casinos and also in the Live Casino (there is enough evidence on Youtube)?
Stop it. You are just defending these rich scammers who are completely screwing us poor people who have an addiction and completely undress us
it's scary to see how sick you are defending these scammers
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-That's not the point. You pay in, although you know that it is illegal. Ergo: Self-blame -> Risk accepted.
-What does exaggerate mean? Everyone has different means at his disposal.
-Bad casino
-Bad casino
-Has nothing to do with the subject.
Basically, no one is defending the casinos. People are (rightly) approached who want to get their losses back by means of a lawyer.
Please stop hiding behind the cloak of illegality.
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Why are you picking on me? Why does no one here talk about the father state? He is responsible for it but on the contrary, he looks on nicely and collects the taxes!
Here there should be a stop sign but that would be impossible
In every advertisement you are given the feeling that this is legal and accordingly many sign up and give it a try. It is exactly the same as Lotto but there the acceptance is strangely much higher
The double standard comes from you who protect such Online Casinos scammers!
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Why are the online casinos then cheats?
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