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Public complaints: Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off) (Page 7)

Topic created on 16th Dec. 2017 | Page: 7 of 8 | Answers: 79 | Views: 40,980
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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 01:46 pm CET#61
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So they want to fob you off with 5k euros? Heftig and save themselves a bunch of money, it's sad that our country leaves us alone and you can defend yourself only difficult and costly. But remember how long that can last. I recommend you
Contact Quasar and try to renegotiate the offer
So you save a lot of time and get at least 100% what you want

Whether your lawyer has a chance against a casino lawyer who is prepared for exactly these cases? I think that will be nothing and you still make minus who knows ... Everything is uncertain and takes time. Do you have the desire? The time? The nerves? Think about what is best for you.

But let you first at the lawyer advise, then think but rather 2 times

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Daniel
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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 02:04 pm CET#62
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Peter8 wrote on 09.03.2018 at 13:46: But read you first advised by the lawyer, then think but rather 2 times

Yes, but you should still get advice

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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 06:32 pm CET#63
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I would simply try to negotiate with Quasar, for example, that they give you 10-20,000 and you drop all claims against them in return.
It would be painful, but I'd rather have such an amount for sure instead of investing thousands in legal costs, maybe losing and then being left with 5000 minus.

(Of course only my personal attitude)

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Daniel
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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 06:39 pm CET#64
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Gamer777 wrote on 09.03.2018 at 18:32: I would simply try to negotiate with Quasar that they give you 10 -20,000 and you drop all claims against them in return.
Would be painful, but better to have such an amount for sure instead of investing thousands in legal costs, maybe losing and then being left with 5000 minus.

(Of course only my personal attitude)

Yes, but before you make any deals first consult a specialist lawyer. If he says, all right I am sure that we get through I bear all the risks, then I would sue. If he would say hardly a chance and the second and third lawyer also, then you can still negotiate.

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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 10:01 pm CET#65
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That's how I do it Daniel, anything else would be stupid of me.
I will not pay any legal fees except for the consultation.
The costs for the consultation are ridiculous in contrast to the win approx. 0.1%

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Marco
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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 10:04 pm CET#66
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And the time how long it takes would not matter to me.
I'm also happy about the money in a year....

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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 10:42 pm CET#67
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Good luck
Wish you that you get your win
Let's see how it turns out and how long it takes... Exciting thing

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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 11:01 pm CET#68
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Daniel wrote on 09/03/2018 at 12:50 pm: I would really ask you to contact a specialist lawyer (international law, European law, Malta, gambling law or similar) in this case. Ask this lawyer if he sees chances in your case, if you sue in Malta, that Quasar Gaming loses and has to pay you the money.

You should ask the lawyer the following questions:

1. Do you see a chance in my case to sue Quasar Gaming in Malta and win?

2. How does the whole thing work? Will they fly to Malta as my representative, will the whole thing even be handled from Germany or do I have to fly to Malta myself and participate in any court proceedings that may take place? Are there any interpreters there?

3. How do you estimate the financial risks. What would the whole thing cost me in the worst case, if proceedings are opened and I lose the case? Costs including court costs, flight tickets, lawyer etc. He should please estimate generously, i.e. rather more than less.

4. If the Risk of costs is too high, but he is convinced that you will win. Then I would tell the lawyer that unfortunately you cannot afford this worst case and sue. Maybe the lawyer will come up with a deal for you because he is so convinced that it will work out. Maybe you can agree with him on a higher commission if he wins the case. So usually there are standard rates. I think with a value in dispute of 50.000€ the lawyer would get about 1.500€. With 150.000€ about 5.000€. Now one could agree that he gets 15.000€ or even 20.000€ in case of success instead of 5.000€, but takes over all other costs in the worst case. 140.000€ is also a lot of money. If I were a lawyer (lawyers are self-employed entrepreneurs) I would enter into this deal, especially if I am almost sure that it will work.

I would definitely take this step (get advice from a good lawyer or even from two or three lawyers), because 160,000€ is really a lot of money and in my opinion it is worth fighting for. No matter whether you are now in the right or not. The whole thing is not so clear to me, because Quasar Gaming has offered you 5,000 € and wieseo should Quasar do that, if they were morally and legally 100% sure.

Quasar would argue in court as follows: There are often customers among players who are criminals and, for example, steal from their families and play, for example, with the credit card of the parents, without the parents initially have knowledge of it. If the player loses and the parents find out later, then in the worst case we have to refund the deposits. If the player wins, then the player would talk to the parents and confess that he screwed up but won a lot of money and would share the money with the parents. In this case, the parents might also be a bit p**sed off, but would claim that they knew about it in order to get the money or to do the son a favor. We as a casino only bear the risk here. This reasoning is somehow understandable to me.

The casinos can also dig out such cases and prove to the courts how much money they lose through such actions. So purely morally speaking, the casino (in my opinion) is even in the right in this case. Still, 160K is so much money for a private person that it would be stupid not to try everything. I wish (purely personally and humanly for you) that you win this case. However, I don't blame Quasar for causing problems either.

By all means, please keep us posted and report back on what the lawyer(s) said. I am also personally interested in what it costs to sue in Malta if you lose in the word case.



Unfortunately this is not quite correct Daniel.

In Germany, lawyers are prohibited from working with contingency fees.

As a matter of principle, the lawyer's remuneration may not be made dependent on success (contingency fee within the meaning of Section 49b (2) BRAO ). It states: "Agreements by which remuneration or its amount is made dependent on the outcome of the case or on the success of the lawyer's work or according to which the lawyer receives part of the disputed amount as a fee (contingency fee) are inadmissible unless the Lawyers' Remuneration Act provides otherwise".

There are exceptions under the following conditions:

According to the § 4a RVG , however, the agreement of a contingency fee is permissible in individual cases if the client, due to his economic circumstances, would be deterred from pursuing legal action if a contingency fee were not agreed.
A contingency fee is not only permissible if the client's economic circumstances leave him no alternative at all. It is not only the economic circumstances that matter, but also the cost risk and its evaluation.

Means: It goes only if the TE is broke and that also prove can or evenly if the argument value would not stand to the relationship with the lawyer costs.
Both will probably rather fail in this case.

Also, of course, still to be considered, even if you work on a contingency basis:

As a rule, the client must pay the court costs and the costs of the other side as the loser of a civil case. An agreed contingency fee does not change this. He merely saves the costs for his own lawyer.

I once hired a lawyer from Vienna who had to drive 300km for my case.
It was a civil law case which I would say belongs to the basics of a lawyer, so no special case in which one would have to familiarize oneself. Cost factor: 4000 Euro.

If a German lawyer would have to fly to Malta several times and in addition in a case that is more or less new, you can imagine what that would cost.


My Tip: Find a German speaking lawyer who lives in Malta and is specialized in gambling law.
If you don't find that, then go to the initial consultation and find a lawyer who specializes in gambling law.
In Vienna there is one with which pretty much all private entrepreneurs are active in the gambling sector.
Maybe google if you find something there.

My opinion: Do everything you can to get your money.
Maybe even create a precedent.
Online casinos have to finally stop players to rip off and it must also happen what with completely senseless terms and conditions.


If you need more help, I'm happy to help you. I also have pretty good contacts in the scene and can maybe help you find the right lawyer.

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Anonym

Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

9th Mar. 2018, at 11:13 pm CET#69
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Now that's what I call being informed ðŸ'

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Quasar Gaming does not pay out €161,000 (Fraud & Rip-off)

10th Mar. 2018, at 03:47 am CET#70
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Quasar?? With a total of around 17,000 euros in losses, they left me on the left and closed my account. The security department thought I was too big a Risk to go to this casino on the sack. - (own statement) . These f**king criminals . I'm going to get revenge . The plan is in place

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