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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
21st Dec. 2018, at 07:17 pm CET#61
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Gottlike wrote on 12/21/2018 at 6:27 pm
Isn't it obvious. Don't understand your reasoning. I had both there, 5x24 in a row and 5x0 in a row. That you don't always have 50/50 or 60/40 when gambling should be obvious to everyone, even if the presentation suggests so. It's like with all the "almost" 5 rows of explorers, because they "oh so narrowly" passed by. You must not let yourself be deceived by the visuals.
Anyone who is fooled by this alleged 50/50 chance is just, let's say, simple-minded
Maybe you only read the opening post and not the development as it goes on.
A friend of mine (mathematician) went through the statistics I collected together. In total, we had over 1500 free spins purchased as data available.
It is commonly claimed that every spin is always due to chance.
However, we were able to determine based on the collected data that if you buy free spins now, the free spins you buy after that and so on will have an impact.
So previous events have an influence on subsequent ones.
Thus, the system seems to store and thus each spin is not dependent on chance, but is predetermined by the system.
So congratulations on your win. But it is irrelevant for this discussion.
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21st Dec. 2018, at 07:50 pm CET#62
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Gottlike wrote on 12/21/2018 at 6:27 pm
Isn't it obvious. Don't understand your reasoning. I had both there, 5x24 in a row and 5x0 in a row. That you don't always have 50/50 or 60/40 when gambling should be obvious to everyone, even if the presentation suggests so. It's like with all the "almost" 5 rows of explorers, because they "oh so narrowly" passed by. You shouldn't let yourself be deceived by the visuals.
Whoever is deceived by this alleged 50/50 chance is just, let's say, simple-minded
In principle, you're right, it doesn't always come 50/50 or 60/40
But when I started with the OC Zockerei I played the slot often and with pleasure and also there came sometimes only crap
But if he has paid then irgentwie better and also more often than "nowadays"
Just like Bonanza. The last FS there were only a tepid fart. Da gehn andre games in comparison much better
And besides, I can't hear that Bonanza tune anymore anyway....
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 10:38 am CET#63
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Gottlike wrote on 12/21/2018 at 10:23 AM
Î'll post something here from my session yesterday...
Got a + of 1,5k in within 20 minutes with Extra Chilli. By the way, I bought 50 times the free spins in the whole session. Of these, he is me about 25x on 12 or 16 verreckt. Otherwise it always went to 20/8 or 24/12. I think it also just depends on when you try the slot. If he is in a donor mood, then he also spits properly.
Inspired by your post I let myself get carried away yesterday evening to ner portion ExtraChilli.
40€ in the counter, bet 0.2€, first played normally and in between bought 3x FS
Results in the FS were 0,45€, 2,66€ and 6,67€, the maximum win in the normal game was 4,52€.
I never exceeded my bet and will now banish this slot from my head for good.
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 12:11 pm CET#64
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Cryptique wrote on 12/23/2018 at 10:38 AM
Inspired by your post, I got carried away with a serving of ExtraChilli last night.
40€ in the counter, bet 0.2€, first played normally and in between bought 3x FS
Results in the FS were 0,45€, 2,66€ and 6,67€, the maximum win in the normal game was 4,52€.
I never exceeded my bet and will now banish this slot from my head for good.
Sure, you will probably have taken 8 free spins.
The slot is designed so that you have to gamble on a minimum of 16 so that it can be lucrative.
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 12:35 pm CET#65
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Random wrote on 12/21/2018 at 7:17 pm
Maybe you only read the opening post and not the development as it goes on.
A friend of mine (mathematician) went through the statistics I collected together. In total we had over 1500 purchased free spins as data available.
It is commonly claimed that every spin is always due to chance.
However, we were able to determine based on the collected data that if you buy free spins now, the free spins you buy after that and so on will have an impact.
So previous events have an influence on subsequent ones.
Thus, the system seems to store and thus each spin is not dependent on chance, but is predetermined by the system.
So congratulations on your win. But it is irrelevant for this discussion.
Then please provide us with the results and the database. Or did your friend just look at the list once and say "Jo, has influence?"
If you are going to make such statements then please prove them.
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 01:41 pm CET#66
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The discussion is unfortunately very tedious and there are very many slots where you would have to talk about fraud because the representation does not correspond to the actual chances
Take, for example, other slots where in the features is also turned on wheels. According to the representation should then also e.g. with Mega Moolah or Mega Fortune much much much much more often the Jackpot fall
Or with the Merkur card Risk the chance should always be 50:50 because it is only about red or black. But it is not always 50:50! If the jump is, for example, from 40 to 140 € then the probability is shifted accordingly. That is, it does not matter what color you choose it is already determined whether you win or not. Could still call many countless other examples, but that would lead too far.
I can understand this feeling of being cheated, because there is simply a lack of information in all the descriptions of the slots. Which is an absolute grievance in my opinion!
But you just have to be aware that these ways of presentation in the feature only serve the entertainment. With such features as Extra Chili is imo already in the moment where you buy the feature or it wins in the base game determined how many free spins you win maximum. The features have nothing to do with the RNG in the base game. So the randomness refers only to the base game and that applies there only for the start of the spin
I would wish myself if the slot manufacturers would have to specify how high, for example, the probability of triggering a feature is and also how likely it is that you can gamble your way up to a particular level in the feature
Even if I can understand the feeling of cheating if you think that it is as shown, it is probably part of the game and the regulators are aware of it. The players should be it just also but this is just unfortunately swept under the carpet by the providers and casinos
There is still a lot to change and clarify in terms of gambling. Actually, the providers themselves would be responsible for things transparent and fair to present but there would have to be just actually first a few in jail and all the lobbying and corruption between politics and providers would have to stop times so that there can be transparent
In any case, I will be completely committed to this in the future
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 01:46 pm CET#67
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To make it short again related to Extra Chili
The basic assumption that the wheel turns in the feature are random is wrong.
You don't need to prove anything, it's just the way it is
The RNG refers to the base game or when buying a feature on which feature you will be drawn. So whether you get one where you can gamble up to 24 / 20 / 16 etc or not. How far you can gamble is already determined at the moment when the games are triggered. This is probably the case with (almost) all slots.
Even in slots where you have to pick a symbol in the features, the selection of the symbol usually has no influence on the win. So no matter if you pick right, left or center, the same win would appear everywhere
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 02:16 pm CET#68
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Gottlike wrote on 12/23/2018 at 12:35 PM
Then please provide us with the results and the data base. Or did your friend just look at the list once and say "Jo, has influence?"
If you are going to make such claims here then please provide evidence.
It is already in preparation.
But since probably not everyone wants to spend hours on it, we'll write it together so that it is as comprehensible as possible.
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 03:34 pm CET#69
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Random wrote on 12/23/2018 at 2:16 PM
Is already in the pipeline.
But since probably not everyone wants to spend hours on it, we write it together so that it is as comprehensible as possible.
Did you also record really interesting data like the AQ about the amount of purchased features? Especially since the AQ of the drop feature given in the slot is the one when you always go to 24 free spins.
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23rd Dec. 2018, at 03:36 pm CET#70
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TomWegas wrote on 12/23/2018 at 3:34 pm: Did you also record interesting data such as the AQ on the amount of features purchased? Especially since the AQ of the drop feature given in the slot is the one when you always go to 24 free spins.
Yes, have everything.
The average win on 16, 20, 24 free spins.
The AQ and the RTP etc.
Where I can say right away that the AQ and RTP is correct
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Maybe you only read the opening post and not the development as it goes on.
A friend of mine (mathematician) went through the statistics I collected together. In total, we had over 1500 free spins purchased as data available.
It is commonly claimed that every spin is always due to chance.
However, we were able to determine based on the collected data that if you buy free spins now, the free spins you buy after that and so on will have an impact.
So previous events have an influence on subsequent ones.
Thus, the system seems to store and thus each spin is not dependent on chance, but is predetermined by the system.
So congratulations on your win. But it is irrelevant for this discussion.
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In principle, you're right, it doesn't always come 50/50 or 60/40
But when I started with the OC Zockerei I played the slot often and with pleasure and also there came sometimes only crap
But if he has paid then irgentwie better and also more often than "nowadays"
Just like Bonanza. The last FS there were only a tepid fart. Da gehn andre games in comparison much better
And besides, I can't hear that Bonanza tune anymore anyway....
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Inspired by your post I let myself get carried away yesterday evening to ner portion ExtraChilli.
40€ in the counter, bet 0.2€, first played normally and in between bought 3x FS
Results in the FS were 0,45€, 2,66€ and 6,67€, the maximum win in the normal game was 4,52€.
I never exceeded my bet and will now banish this slot from my head for good.
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Sure, you will probably have taken 8 free spins.
The slot is designed so that you have to gamble on a minimum of 16 so that it can be lucrative.
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Then please provide us with the results and the database. Or did your friend just look at the list once and say "Jo, has influence?"
If you are going to make such statements then please prove them.
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Take, for example, other slots where in the features is also turned on wheels. According to the representation should then also e.g. with Mega Moolah or Mega Fortune much much much much more often the Jackpot fall
Or with the Merkur card Risk the chance should always be 50:50 because it is only about red or black. But it is not always 50:50! If the jump is, for example, from 40 to 140 € then the probability is shifted accordingly. That is, it does not matter what color you choose it is already determined whether you win or not. Could still call many countless other examples, but that would lead too far.
I can understand this feeling of being cheated, because there is simply a lack of information in all the descriptions of the slots. Which is an absolute grievance in my opinion!
But you just have to be aware that these ways of presentation in the feature only serve the entertainment. With such features as Extra Chili is imo already in the moment where you buy the feature or it wins in the base game determined how many free spins you win maximum. The features have nothing to do with the RNG in the base game. So the randomness refers only to the base game and that applies there only for the start of the spin
I would wish myself if the slot manufacturers would have to specify how high, for example, the probability of triggering a feature is and also how likely it is that you can gamble your way up to a particular level in the feature
Even if I can understand the feeling of cheating if you think that it is as shown, it is probably part of the game and the regulators are aware of it. The players should be it just also but this is just unfortunately swept under the carpet by the providers and casinos
There is still a lot to change and clarify in terms of gambling. Actually, the providers themselves would be responsible for things transparent and fair to present but there would have to be just actually first a few in jail and all the lobbying and corruption between politics and providers would have to stop times so that there can be transparent
In any case, I will be completely committed to this in the future
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The basic assumption that the wheel turns in the feature are random is wrong.
You don't need to prove anything, it's just the way it is
The RNG refers to the base game or when buying a feature on which feature you will be drawn. So whether you get one where you can gamble up to 24 / 20 / 16 etc or not. How far you can gamble is already determined at the moment when the games are triggered. This is probably the case with (almost) all slots.
Even in slots where you have to pick a symbol in the features, the selection of the symbol usually has no influence on the win. So no matter if you pick right, left or center, the same win would appear everywhere
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It is already in preparation.
But since probably not everyone wants to spend hours on it, we'll write it together so that it is as comprehensible as possible.
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Did you also record really interesting data like the AQ about the amount of purchased features? Especially since the AQ of the drop feature given in the slot is the one when you always go to 24 free spins.
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Yes, have everything.
The average win on 16, 20, 24 free spins.
The AQ and the RTP etc.
Where I can say right away that the AQ and RTP is correct
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