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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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So it comes approximately to the 96.82% RTP of the drop feature stated in the slot?
Unfortunately, you can not ask for more. As I said, it also bothers me immensely that certain things do not have to be clearly described and that should actually have changed long ago. But unfortunately all providers are so Sch**** and do not make certain details
The providers would have to be forced halt by regulatory authorities, but in the Banana Republic of Germany (especially in terms of gambling) there is not even such a thing...
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I must correct myself because the data collected on the drop feature with the probabilities of advancing a round are of course very very interesting for the players of the game
Only unfortunately it imo doesn't prove cheating according to the current regulatory conditions. As already mentioned, these shifted and untraceable probabilities unfortunately exist at all possible slots - online as well as offline
I would still find it interesting if a court case would be conducted because of something like this. That would at least initiate a discussion and maybe a change. But unfortunately, the "good" lawyers are always where the most money is and that is gambling now times not where the interests of the players are... If it were up to me, these theoretical probabilities should be displayed. Similar to the lottery. The mere indication of the RTP simply does not offer enough transparency because you can read the Variance
So I would also be happy to see the data as it then actually behaves in this slot which has me also already neat durchge****. Precisely because you do not know how the probabilities are. You only know that it is not as the representation suggests.
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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So because again and again to the RTP is referred.
The RTP says absolutely nothing anyway.
I'll give you an example of how you can cheat perfectly and the RTP is still correct.
First you have to know that the RTP describes the bank advantage.
Let's assume a bank game where the chances of winning are exactly 50:50. Let's say you bet 10 Euros and if you lose, the 10 Euros are gone and if you win, you get a total of 19.60 cents back, so you have a net profit of 9.60 cents.
Now in the long run all the money will be in the bank if you only play long enough because the 50:50 value is getting closer and closer.
So the player can only win in the short term if he is lucky and in the natural variance he has won say 70:30.
But that means for the time being, a player bets 50.000 in one year in this game. If he only plays long enough, the 50,000 will be in the bank, despite minimal bank advantage. As long as there is a mathematical Bank advantage, the bank will always have all the money after a long time.
The RTP is therefore pure window dressing anyway and only disguises the actual chances of winning, which are always zero in the long term.
In the case of Extra Chilli, however, we could now more or less prove the following.
The RTP is true, but it is helped that the money is faster in the bank and large outliers are avoided or do not occur so often.
Let's stay with the example above
Theoretically, it can also be that you win 90:10 against the bank on this day.
This is called chance and luck.
In the case of Extra Chilli, however, this is prevented by a system
The system does not allow large fluctuations
In our example, this would mean that the Dealer helps and is always given 50:50, so that in the end the RTP is also correct, but the money ends up much much faster at the bank
In the case of Extra Chilli it is not this 50:50, which serve here only to illustrate and explain what sense it has to artificially influence these fluctuation margins.
But the natural coincidence is prevented and thus the system says stop at some point and there is no 90:10 variance, but the fluctuation range is artificially kept lower so that the money lands faster at the bank.
I hope I was able to explain it reasonably understandable
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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Let's take an example:
- 100 Euro deposit
- Slot RTP 96%.
- Bet per spin 1 Euro
- Average loss per spin 0,04 Euro
- Results in an average of 2500 spins at 1 Euro each that could be made
That the RTP does not indicate anything is nonsense but there is still the Variance factor. And exactly here lies the problem. There is no indication of the variance of a game in the slots
What you call cheating in your example is the essence of gambling - the longer and the more you play, the more likely you are to go bust and lose everything. If you play without limit, you will always go broke because of the house advantage (which is given by the RTP). That's not cheating, that's the definition of gambling.... If you think that's cheating you shouldn't gamble at all. Which is either way financially always the best solution
That the variance is lower when you buy the feature is logical. This is true for All Slots with this option. If you don't buy the feature you will have a much higher variance but also a slightly lower RTP.
I would also wish that the providers would also have to make a value for the variance of a game. But please stop it once and for all that the RTP says nothing at all, because it just says how long it takes mathematically until you go broke on average or even how much the respective bet costs on average
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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Have you not read my post?
I like to tell you again more clearly:
In the statistics we could prove that previously purchased free spins had an influence on subsequently purchased.
So it clearly had an influence if and how much you won or lost before.
Normally, there should be a coincidence that allows a high variance as you described.
That one can gamble for example 10 times in a row on 16 as an example.
The Slot has clearly wins again unnaturally balanced.
We could partially predict the next result to 90%
From what you write is only the explanation of variance and RTP if nothing would be controlled.
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Okay if that's the case I'm curious about the statistics even more. That would then as a player probably also quite to his own advantage can use. By not gambling high at these times or dropping the game altogether. The latter is always the most profitable in the long run because you lose nothing if you do not play. So always 100% RTP and that too all without variance. <3
The only problem is that the number of games does not really say anything about the possible win
That you could predict the results before relatively well is clear if you know that it is XY% probability.
I'm really curious about the numbers and how you explain that. Then the statistics must be really very extensive. So also when which games were bought speak sequence, etc..
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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Yes, we have over 1500 purchased free spins for it. All with real money.
And so much I can already reveal, the sequence is of enormous importance.
So if you were to roll the purchased free spins wildly, you would end up with a different result.
Because it's mainly about how the slot doesn't allow any big runaways and accelerates the Bank advantage, so to speak, and artificially limits possible wins.
Could this be exploited? No.
Because to see the pattern you need some bought free spins.
You can't start and then conclude something from it, but you also need then again a certain bandwidth.
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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Actually, I wanted to write as an equally affected here nothing about it until you bring light into the darkness with your statistics.
But I can also add one thing, the coincidence is most likely helped in the game on the jumps...
I play normally in each slot until I get FS, make a few more spins after them and then leave. It happened, rarely but nevertheless, that there was then again FS, also then I make afterwards still a few Spins and then change the game (exception were here BoD and Extra Chilli with several times FS by Scatter within few Spins) or pay out and stop playing. This is my standard procedure.
I have always done the same with Extra. I am one who waits until the first time FS come in the base game (I have given up the really long sessions, because it usually goes away just as much money as if I buy up to 5 times the FS and real BigWins in the base game, as I have since found, are really extremely rare.), then I gamble, if I fall down I start to buy, this usually max. up to 5 times. If I then manage to get to the 20 or 24, some times I take the 20 but often I go to the 24 and amazing how often I have managed (the win was therefore not always high...), then procedure as described in the first paragraph
Now it comes but and this is the suspicious for me, I have it very often managed to get to the 24 this but always only once, no matter whether afterwards still FS came in the base game or I thought because of the high win in the previous FS or by a good win in the base game, Ok one or two times buy is now still loose, it has never managed a second time to get to the 24. Ok, I could have then continued to buy and maybe it would have worked again at some point but that would have been really sick, but that not even once the 24 in the same session have come again is very suspicious to me and that was not only once. I have then also started the game afterwards a little longer to continue to play but Niente, no matter whether FS in the base game triggered or by buying again, it comes then no second time the 24. Therefore, I do not know whether I can understand the memory effect mentioned by you once, the next day or in the next session it has then worked within 1-5 attempts again to get the 24.
So I'm curious about your statistics and will then, when I'm not really playing anymore, take a closer look at...it just interests me.
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Well anyway, now to the topic:
The ExtraChili slot is pretty much my favorite slot and I also buy free spins often.
Random has made a lot of effort which I also appreciate.
However, my experiences with the slot so far are rather contrary.
I often buy the free spins and there are mostly 8 freespins, sometimes 12, very rarely 16 and once I even had 20 - without gambling, mind you.
The odds of winning 8 or 12 FS do not necessarily have to be worse than with more FS.
As an example; I once had a win of about 350 euros with purchased 0.20 € -free spins, 8 free spins taken without gambling, where then 4 more came as an extension.
My highest wins I had at 8-12 free spins!
My opinion is:
The slot is built so that you should be greedy to the 24 FS hochzugamblen ! Why ? It must bring nothing.
I have often had 16 FS where then half or more have run through completely without Win. Many FS do not necessarily bring much.
If I buy on the smallest bet free spins for 10 euros and take the 8-12 FS, then I win just between only times 1 euro and say 50 euros, but on average I have my 10 euro bet at least always out.
If I have to have the Risk and absolutely want to hochgamblen, I will most likely fall on the nose and win 0.
So you should not be deceived by the supposedly good wins at 20 or FS, they can also bring little.
And who complains that he always has bad luck, should simply times not hochgamblen or let the slot run until the free spins come by itself and then take the 8-12 and it will turn out much better.
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BeTruG - Extra Chilli
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Oh yeah, is that so...!?!
Is that written anywhere - If so, then I've probably read something over.
I myself have experienced that the slot with 16FS can pay just as modestly as with 8FS....or the other way around he has also spat on 8FS times properly.
But if you of course "know" that the slot is built so, then this eternal lull was probably clearly on me....
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