Something just came to my mind and I wanted to hear your opinion about it because I just became aware of the rule in another thread that bartering is still not welcome or forbidden on GJ
To be able to remove or change the whole rule and to create an added value for the forum would be but a kind of marketplace actually useful the automated a kind of trustee function takes over
Example: User 1 has a PSC and does not want to use it, User 2 would like to have a PSC but can not buy one anywhere
User 1 sends the code to the system via the marketplace and an offer is created for him in the marketplace area
User 2 clicks on the offer and can now buy this code with different payment methods
When both parties have done their part, the system sends the code and the money to the users
The whole thing of course does not have to be limited to PSC but can be extended as desired E-wallets etc..
To determine the quality of users who create offers, a ranking would be useful, such as completed transactions, or points received through successful transactions
I know it would be a bit more effort to program the whole thing but if you look at the benefit and the number of people who would use GJ for that reason alone it would be relatively small
In addition I have a paper from 2016 that contains large parts of the necessary code which of course the programmers could see that should take some work off and the past has shown that some sites already successfully use such a system and it is still very popular with users after years
Now I am curious how your opinions are and of course also your concerns gladly also from the team
I think the idea is basically good. Anything that is innovative and, on the other hand, relieves forum areas that are bombarded with these requests is, of course, a fine thing to begin with
But I'm not the developer or programmer here and I imagine the implementation of such a marketplace system in the forum extremely difficult
I am sure that the integration of the wallets and the addition of interfaces is not only associated with effort, but also with costs. But as you said, this could be weighed up, as a certain added value would certainly be there and would increase the traffic at GJ in general.
A great suggestion and I'm looking forward to hearing more opinions
this is not a decision of the GJ team, but just a personal comment. Such a system is of course feasible from the point of view, but...
Yes, there it is, the famous but. We have forbidden the barter transactions, since it came again and again to the abuse with the barter transactions. The biggest problem with a Paysafe card is and remains that the creator of such an offer knows the code. Now the system could test the code and see if it is valid, but the creator of the offer can redeem the card code at any time within a few seconds. Such things have happened in the past. Who assumes liability in this case?
What is the use of rating the user badly. In the past we have banned users in such cases. But the damage is then already done and the excitement is huge.
How the whole thing looks from the legal side is also unknown to me.
Counter wrote on 09/18/2020 at 07:46: Good morning,
this here is not a decision of GJ team, but just a personal comment for now. Such a system is of course feasible from the point of view, but...
Yes there it is, the famous but. We have forbidden the barter transactions, since it came again and again to the abuse with the barter transactions. The biggest problem with a Paysafe card is and remains that the creator of such an offer knows the code. Now the system could test the code and see if it is valid, but the creator of the offer can redeem the card code at any time within a few seconds. Such things have happened in the past. Who assumes liability in this case?
What is the use of rating the user badly. In the past we have banned users in such cases. But the damage is then already done and the excitement is huge.
How the whole thing looks from the legal side is also unknown to me.
Thanks for the answer
This has already occurred to me, so I have once contacted the site operators who specifically accept PSC swaps between users to ask how their system solves such cases
As soon as I get an answer I will also add it here
A point that would come to my mind would be a Verification of the people who participate in this marketplace that would be from a legal point of view probably necessary to bring the whole thing through but I see in this case relatively few problems except for the extra work of the team
Usually cheat people in the anonymity of the Internet with a verification by the passport and the address would be a very large part already deterred
Another possibility would be the payments of the system time-delayed to carry out like e.g. the buyer of the code must confirm that it functioned and with increasing increase of the rank one could loosen the whole there a certain confidence exists
The whole thing could be coupled with the rule you have to be at least 6 months to get access to trading, then more candidates would be omitted that could disturb the peace
I realize that such a system is good and bad at the same time and also that you can't do it lightly but need a lot of planning and all possible scenarios to consider because people can be very resourceful when it comes to cheating
Now I have simultaneously received a response from a side of which I will now show excerpts:
Our system works against fraud by already used credit cards since each buyer and seller must load in advance his trading credit independently about the possible transaction over our side
If it should come then in exceptional cases to it that a fraud attempt is present with an already redeemed card of us a check with the responsible offerer is introduced
In this process we receive information on which day at what time for what use the card was redeemed
Subsequently, we decide at our own discretion and based on the given facts from which trading partner the fraud attempt originated and refund the other party from the available funds the credit back
We reserve the right to report any such attempt to the police and at the same time we are obligated to disclose the identity card data to the investigating authorities
It should be noted that the recorded fraud attempts in 19/20 were less than 1%, so we can proudly say that our platform offers a safe alternative
gamble1 wrote on 18.09.2020 at 06:52 clock: example : User 1 has a PSC and would like to use this but not, User 2 would like a PSC but can nowhere buy one
find the mistake who does not want to use his psc nowadays? besides, they are long --> durable
actually it works so long here over pn without problems, for mutual trust there are a few really reliable already enough
Honestly, who turns on the police or a lawyer for 25 or 50 euros.
The injured party is angry, but will do nothing further.
The fraudster is banned and that was it.... Therefore, he will not take the even.
As written before, the one who offers the PSC has the code.
This will not work. This would cause too much mischief and probably calls several unserious people into the forum.
The frequency of the mischief you can see that sometimes, for example, gas stations have taken PSC from the program, because the phone is tried several times to get hold of PSC.
As said, idea is good, but that can not be implemented. Aaaaber that is not my decision
As written before, the one who offers the PSC has the code.
This will not work. This would cause too much mischief and probably calls several unserious people into the forum.
The frequency of the mischief is noticed by the fact that some gas stations have taken PSC from the program, because by phone is tried several times to get hold of PSC.
As said, idea is good, but that can not be implemented. Aaaaber that is not my decision
Have fun yet
@upola
Yes well so sweepingly one cannot say that if someone has little he will insist also with 25-50 € on his money someone with a mediocre income will of course really not switch on the police because of this small amount
That is but at the same time the problem why many scammers do the shit rip off 1,000 people 1 € and have earned 1,000 € if with each still so small amount the realistic danger of a pursuit would be given would look certainly different
What do you think why there is more fraud in the small area than in the large because with a lot of money every means is set in motion to find the one
@Iseedeadpeople
Vouchers you could also include that is clear PSC was now just my first thought
@xxjj19
There are several sites where this quite successfully for years and there it seems to work very well
And since I also first thought it must bring many scammers on the plan, it was so important to me to know how other companies solve this whether they are only well insured or technically solved the whole thing
How the whole thing would go off in a gamers forum of course would have to be tested but I can very well assume that there are many honest users here but you must also be realistic say certainly some who are not
Then it would have to be set up like a payment page. You enter the amount to be debited on the so-called marketplace and the corresponding pin of your Paysafe card and then it is deposited there and this amount is deducted from the Paysafe card. This thing only build on trust, would go wrong in any case too often
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To be able to remove or change the whole rule and to create an added value for the forum would be but a kind of marketplace actually useful the automated a kind of trustee function takes over
Example: User 1 has a PSC and does not want to use it, User 2 would like to have a PSC but can not buy one anywhere
User 1 sends the code to the system via the marketplace and an offer is created for him in the marketplace area
User 2 clicks on the offer and can now buy this code with different payment methods
When both parties have done their part, the system sends the code and the money to the users
The whole thing of course does not have to be limited to PSC but can be extended as desired E-wallets etc..
To determine the quality of users who create offers, a ranking would be useful, such as completed transactions, or points received through successful transactions
I know it would be a bit more effort to program the whole thing but if you look at the benefit and the number of people who would use GJ for that reason alone it would be relatively small
In addition I have a paper from 2016 that contains large parts of the necessary code which of course the programmers could see that should take some work off and the past has shown that some sites already successfully use such a system and it is still very popular with users after years
Now I am curious how your opinions are and of course also your concerns gladly also from the team
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But I'm not the developer or programmer here and I imagine the implementation of such a marketplace system in the forum extremely difficult
I am sure that the integration of the wallets and the addition of interfaces is not only associated with effort, but also with costs. But as you said, this could be weighed up, as a certain added value would certainly be there and would increase the traffic at GJ in general.
A great suggestion and I'm looking forward to hearing more opinions
vg
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this is not a decision of the GJ team, but just a personal comment. Such a system is of course feasible from the point of view, but...
Yes, there it is, the famous but. We have forbidden the barter transactions, since it came again and again to the abuse with the barter transactions. The biggest problem with a Paysafe card is and remains that the creator of such an offer knows the code. Now the system could test the code and see if it is valid, but the creator of the offer can redeem the card code at any time within a few seconds. Such things have happened in the past. Who assumes liability in this case?
What is the use of rating the user badly. In the past we have banned users in such cases. But the damage is then already done and the excitement is huge.
How the whole thing looks from the legal side is also unknown to me.
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Thanks for the answer
This has already occurred to me, so I have once contacted the site operators who specifically accept PSC swaps between users to ask how their system solves such cases
As soon as I get an answer I will also add it here
A point that would come to my mind would be a Verification of the people who participate in this marketplace that would be from a legal point of view probably necessary to bring the whole thing through but I see in this case relatively few problems except for the extra work of the team
Usually cheat people in the anonymity of the Internet with a verification by the passport and the address would be a very large part already deterred
Another possibility would be the payments of the system time-delayed to carry out like e.g. the buyer of the code must confirm that it functioned and with increasing increase of the rank one could loosen the whole there a certain confidence exists
The whole thing could be coupled with the rule you have to be at least 6 months to get access to trading, then more candidates would be omitted that could disturb the peace
I realize that such a system is good and bad at the same time and also that you can't do it lightly but need a lot of planning and all possible scenarios to consider because people can be very resourceful when it comes to cheating
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Our system works against fraud by already used credit cards since each buyer and seller must load in advance his trading credit independently about the possible transaction over our side
If it should come then in exceptional cases to it that a fraud attempt is present with an already redeemed card of us a check with the responsible offerer is introduced
In this process we receive information on which day at what time for what use the card was redeemed
Subsequently, we decide at our own discretion and based on the given facts from which trading partner the fraud attempt originated and refund the other party from the available funds the credit back
We reserve the right to report any such attempt to the police and at the same time we are obligated to disclose the identity card data to the investigating authorities
It should be noted that the recorded fraud attempts in 19/20 were less than 1%, so we can proudly say that our platform offers a safe alternative
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find the mistake who does not want to use his psc nowadays? besides, they are long --> durable
actually it works so long here over pn without problems, for mutual trust there are a few really reliable already enough
for vouchers I could imagine it rather.
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The injured party is angry, but will do nothing further.
The fraudster is banned and that was it.... Therefore, he will not take the even.
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the idea is good, but cannot be implemented.
As written before, the one who offers the PSC has the code.
This will not work. This would cause too much mischief and probably calls several unserious people into the forum.
The frequency of the mischief you can see that sometimes, for example, gas stations have taken PSC from the program, because the phone is tried several times to get hold of PSC.
As said, idea is good, but that can not be implemented. Aaaaber that is not my decision
Have fun yet
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@upola
Yes well so sweepingly one cannot say that if someone has little he will insist also with 25-50 € on his money someone with a mediocre income will of course really not switch on the police because of this small amount
That is but at the same time the problem why many scammers do the shit rip off 1,000 people 1 € and have earned 1,000 € if with each still so small amount the realistic danger of a pursuit would be given would look certainly different
What do you think why there is more fraud in the small area than in the large because with a lot of money every means is set in motion to find the one
@Iseedeadpeople
Vouchers you could also include that is clear PSC was now just my first thought
@xxjj19
There are several sites where this quite successfully for years and there it seems to work very well
And since I also first thought it must bring many scammers on the plan, it was so important to me to know how other companies solve this whether they are only well insured or technically solved the whole thing
How the whole thing would go off in a gamers forum of course would have to be tested but I can very well assume that there are many honest users here but you must also be realistic say certainly some who are not
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