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8th Jan. 2019, at 06:03 am CET#21
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PAYSAFEMASTER wrote on 08/01/2019 at 01:17: In the first video, as a layman, one may suspect unnatural ball behavior, but when objectively evaluated and considering the physical facts regarding the materials used, there are no irregularities to be found.
Can you name the table in question? Am I correct in assuming that this is the "Roulette" table from EvolutionGaming?
As for the second video, a closer analysis is admittedly warranted. However, here, too, we should not prematurely accuse fraud. Especially since it is a live broadcast from a state-owned casino. Do you seriously think that the casino would Risk its entire revenue for the sake of occasionally saving a few thousand euros from online players?
After all, if it was tampering, the authorities could be informed immediately at any time and storm the casino to secure the evidence. No established casino in the world would ever risk its license for such relatively ridiculous amounts. What do you think the sums are wagered there every day?
I haven't watched the third video, so I'll stay away from this topic for now.
As already explained at the beginning, even banks which in extremis should act in good faith, have convinced us of the opposite.
If it is effectively a Manipulation, it is ingeniously threaded and usually almost undetectable. But the technology has its pitfalls.
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8th Jan. 2019, at 06:11 am CET#22
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Champion280667 wrote on 08/01/2019 at 05:53 PM
If I as a groupier have a player with 2000.- Euro on the 12, it would certainly be a pleasure for my employer if I place the ball on all fields except the 12. That's what you achieve with this technical device.
(Apart from the fact that the betting limit on plein at the EvolutionGaming tables in question is limited to 500€ at best)
What happens if someone has 500€ on 12 and another player has 10000€ on black? In your opinion, does the ball bounce out of the field at a certain win amount for the player or how is that determined? And when can we finally watch live at the Grand Casino Roulette table how officials confiscate the ball? After all, obvious fraud should hardly be tolerated in licensed casinos?
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8th Jan. 2019, at 07:01 am CET#23
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Champion280667 wrote on 07/01/2019 at 22:32: If your bank does not want to give you your 10'000.- Euro on the account anymore, you also just go to another bank and Deposit again and everything is good 🙈
Then I appeal in Germany or inform the BaFin.
Or I look for a banking forum and post constantly how evil the bank is.
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8th Jan. 2019, at 08:01 am CET#24
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PAYSAFEMASTER wrote on 08/01/2019 at 06:11
(Aside from the fact that the betting limit on plein at the EvolutionGaming tables in question is limited to 500€ at best)
What happens if someone has 500€ on the 12 and another player has 10000€ on black? In your opinion, does the ball bounce out of the field at a certain win amount for the player or how is that determined? And when can we finally watch live at the Grand Casino Roulette table how officials confiscate the ball? After all, obvious fraud should hardly be tolerated in licensed casinos?
The problem is that during licensing and acceptance, these devices are simply turned off by the game providers. Analogous to the Manipulation of exhaust gases. During the operation, everyone simply looks away with rose-colored glasses.
Except in forums, this fraud can be actively fought, since everyone earns money, except the gamers of course.
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8th Jan. 2019, at 08:39 am CET#25
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So with the second video you can possibly do something. Have you already reported this somewhere or similar? With the first video, on the other hand, I wouldn't go anywhere, because you'll probably make a fool of yourself very quickly - in my opinion
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8th Jan. 2019, at 08:54 am CET#26
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I can present further evidence of exactly the same electromagnetic jerks a Dozen times over.
The only question is whether a claim for damages with a lawyer would bring back more of our money.
My goodness, how many Threds wilst you make because of it actually still on.
Do not you even notice that it is as good as no one interested.
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8th Jan. 2019, at 10:44 am CET#28
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upola wrote on 08.01.2019 at 10:08: My goodness, how many more threads do you want to open because of this.
Do not you even notice that it is interested in almost no one.
If I as a groupier have a player with 2000.- Euro on the 12, it would certainly be a pleasure for my employer if I place the ball on all fields except the 12. This is what you achieve with this technical device.
Yes, but that only works if you are alone at the table or maybe a handful of players. But if I have observed correctly (please correct me if I am wrong) there are often dozens of players at these tables. A software could certainly calculate which number would achieve the least loss / highest win for the casino - but that would mean in return that this alleged Manipulation does not lead to a single player being affected. Furthermore, a number would have to fall specifically - vibro-balls would at best be a 2nd chance for the casino to avert an unsuitable number.
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As already explained at the beginning, even banks which in extremis should act in good faith, have convinced us of the opposite.
If it is effectively a Manipulation, it is ingeniously threaded and usually almost undetectable. But the technology has its pitfalls.
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(Apart from the fact that the betting limit on plein at the EvolutionGaming tables in question is limited to 500€ at best)
What happens if someone has 500€ on 12 and another player has 10000€ on black? In your opinion, does the ball bounce out of the field at a certain win amount for the player or how is that determined? And when can we finally watch live at the Grand Casino Roulette table how officials confiscate the ball? After all, obvious fraud should hardly be tolerated in licensed casinos?
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Then I appeal in Germany or inform the BaFin.
Or I look for a banking forum and post constantly how evil the bank is.
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The problem is that during licensing and acceptance, these devices are simply turned off by the game providers. Analogous to the Manipulation of exhaust gases. During the operation, everyone simply looks away with rose-colored glasses.
Except in forums, this fraud can be actively fought, since everyone earns money, except the gamers of course.
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The only question is whether a claim for damages with a lawyer would bring back more of our money.
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Since you are but mighty on the wrong track 🙈
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Yes, but that only works if you are alone at the table or maybe a handful of players. But if I have observed correctly (please correct me if I am wrong) there are often dozens of players at these tables. A software could certainly calculate which number would achieve the least loss / highest win for the casino - but that would mean in return that this alleged Manipulation does not lead to a single player being affected. Furthermore, a number would have to fall specifically - vibro-balls would at best be a 2nd chance for the casino to avert an unsuitable number.
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