Platincasino is so lying!!! Don't let them cheat us
5th Jun. 2021, at 05:19 pm CEST#13
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Unfortunately, many also cannot distinguish between legal, illegal, or civil claims.
So far, not a single casino has had criminal proceedings brought against them for allowing players to access their offer. Even in Austria, where casinos lose every court case regarding gambling clawbacks, there are no legal consequences.
The only issue is that the court finds that the contract between the casino and the user was invalid and therefore the payments have to be refunded.
And that a casino of course refers to EU law is quite clear.
And if the TE already has a lawyer, then that's pretty stupid to write to the casino personally.
The people who condemn the moral I can understand in a certain way, but would wish me here a little less emotion. In the end, these are civil lawsuits. The casinos have known for a long time that they are moving in a gray area, and the players have known that for a long time. I am absolutely in favor of the economy being free and casinos remaining allowed. However, casinos are not exactly the authority for morals and ethics. Everyone should act here on their own responsibility. Just as the casinos have long known that they can face civil lawsuits.
Whoever wants to do it should do it, whoever doesn't. But dumping the moral acid is simply too short thought. If someone lost all his belongings in a casino, then they cry for personal responsibility and declare ''bad luck'' as a slogan. If a player fetches the money again and for some teachable a second chance can mean, then on it one tramples and the responsibility of the Casinos completely forgets, which knew very well that the legal situation can lead sometime to exactly such a thing. And that lawyers will pounce on it, as soon as the basis for it was created, is also more than foreseeable.
Platincasino is so lying!!! Don't let them cheat us
5th Jun. 2021, at 05:29 pm CEST#14
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Falcon wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:19: Unfortunately, many can also not distinguish between legal, illegal or civil claims.
So far not a single casino has had a criminal case brought against them because they allow players to access their offer. Even in Austria where casinos lose every court case regarding gambling clawbacks, there are no legal consequences.
The only issue is that the court finds that the contract between the casino and the user was invalid and therefore the payments have to be refunded.
And that a casino of course refers to EU law is quite clear.
And if the TE already has a lawyer, then that's pretty stupid to write to the casino personally.
The people who condemn the moral I can understand in a certain way, but would wish me here a little less emotion. In the end, these are civil lawsuits. The casinos have known for a long time that they are moving in a gray area, and the players have known that for a long time. I am absolutely in favor of the economy being free and casinos remaining allowed. However, casinos are not exactly the authority for morals and ethics. Everyone should act here on their own responsibility. Just as the casinos have long known that they can face civil lawsuits.
Who wants to make it should make it, who not that not. But dumping the moral acid is simply too short thought. If someone lost all his belongings in a casino, then they cry for personal responsibility and declare ''bad luck'' as a slogan. If a player fetches the money again and for some teachable a second chance can mean, then on it one tramples and the responsibility of the Casinos completely forgets, which knew very well that the legal situation can lead sometime to exactly such a thing. And that lawyers will pounce on it, as soon as the basis for it was created, is also more than foreseeable.
I give you basically right with what you have written but one must not forget that many of their entire property there verballern when they have it back in the next store continue to make and then we are already in the direction of fraud
You should work on the problem at all everything you have to Deposit in a casino and possibly build up there rather than end up for his own inability to make the casino liable
Of course, casinos are well served when people lose that is not because they are evil but because it is just their business the doctor also lives on it when people get sick and in this point I have to take the casinos simply times in protection the coal then goes back was already included in the accounting and of it the providers want their share and the damage has in the end the company (casino)
From this live then again employees and all because a handful of people do not manage to lose or only so much to play that they do not itch when they lose
And then to take the argument it is forbidden if they had gambled away their money in an offline casino they would have the same problem only with the difference that they have no possibility to get anything back
Do you understand how I mean one takes consciously the back door for its own Debt and that is egoistic I think therefore all there so uproar
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:29 pm CEST#15
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Falcon wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:19: Unfortunately, many can also not distinguish between legal, illegal or civil claims
. But dumping the moral acid is just too short thought. If someone has lost all his belongings in a casino then is screamed for personal responsibility and ''bad luck'' declared the slogan.
I understand your approach, but in reverse it would then certainly be justifiable, casinos should recover paid out winnings, if the payout sum exceeds the Deposit sum.
That would then also be justifiable, since the whole thing must not become a one-way street in the legal sense, should the courts decide in individual cases that the contract between casino and user was invalid.
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:31 pm CEST#16
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Ultimately, it's just a matter of not wanting to live with the fact that a lot of money was lost while gambling and now looking for things to get the gambled back again. But one thing is certain it was here also times this motto > legal, illegal, shit <
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:42 pm CEST#17
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gamble1 wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:29
I agree in principle with what you have written but one must not forget that many who spend all their possessions there when they have it back in the next store continue and then we are already in the direction of fraud
You should work on the problem of depositing everything you have in a casino in the first place and possibly build up there rather than end up being liable for your own inability to make the casino
Of course, casinos are well served when people lose that is not because they are evil but because it is just their business the doctor also lives on it when people get sick and in this point I have to take the casinos simply times in protection the coal then goes back was already included in the accounting and of it the providers want their share and the damage has in the end the company (casino)
From this live then again employees and all because a handful of people do not manage to lose or only so much to play that they do not itch when they lose
And then to take the argument it is forbidden if they had gambled away their money in an offline casino they would have the same problem only with the difference that they have no possibility to get anything back
Do you understand how I mean one takes consciously the back door for its own Debt
And here is my point. It is not about exchanging countless arguments here. It is not about who is right or wrong. One can see the thing in such a way or in such a way and on both sides good arguments are to be found.
The point is to see the matter more calmly and to leave the moral club in the cellar. It's Business. The casinos have taken the business Risk of being confronted with reclaims at some point.
Even in Austria, where the legal situation is crystal clear and the player always gets his money back, there are still countless casinos on the market. And why? Yes, because it is still profitable for them. They have already planned for it. They know that so and so much % of the players reclaim and calculate exactly whether it is still worth it, which it seems to do.
Therefore, it is completely out of place from some users here immediately with insults and insults to throw around. I get so a collective unreflective wave of indignation on the nerves, which usually suggest that it is simple minds.
If someone brings factual arguments, then we can talk about it. Far too many lack objectivity and react out of impulse, not realizing how out of line their behavior and how dispensable their statements are
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:44 pm CEST#18
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Dutch78 wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:29
I understand your approach, but in reverse it would then surely also be justifiable, should casinos recover paid out wins, if the payout sum exceeds the Deposit sum.
That would then also be justifiable, since the whole thing must not become a one-way street in the legal sense, should the courts decide in individual cases that the contract between casino and user was invalid.
But, the one-way street remains. Casinos cannot invoke German law, 1. because they are located in Malta, 2. because they justify all their actions under European law and it is legal from this perspective due to the freedom to provide services
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:47 pm CEST#19
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Dutch78 wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:29
I understand your approach, but in reverse it would then surely also be justifiable, should casinos recover paid out wins, if the payout sum exceeds the Deposit sum.
That would then also be justifiable, since the whole thing must not become a one-way street in the legal sense, should the courts decide in individual cases that the contract between casino and user was invalid.
No, they most likely could not, as this already falls under the criminal offense of fraud. It would be hard for the casino to argue that they only learned about the legal situation at that very moment, they would then have to block all players of the respective country and it would then be even easier to get back the play money losses, since the casino itself admits that the contracts are invalid.
For the players, the clawback only works because they are assumed to be ignorant of complex legal issues.
If a player gets money back, gambles it away in another casino and then tries to get the money back there, then he is also up for fraud, since he has already deposited with the intention of getting the money back
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5th Jun. 2021, at 05:58 pm CEST#20
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Falcon wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:47
No, they most likely could not, as this already falls under the criminal offense of fraud. It would be hard for the casino to argue that they only learned about the legal situation just at that moment, they would have to block all players of the respective country and it would be even easier to get back the play money losses, since the casino itself admits that the contracts are invalid.
For the players, the clawback only works because they are assumed to be ignorant of complex legal issues.
If a player gets money back, gambles it away in another casino and then tries to get the money back there, then he is also up for fraud, since he has already deposited with the intention of getting the money back
The people here do not understand from economics really much. Every reasonably positioned company forms so-called THROUGH-LOSS PROVISIONS and litigation cost provisions, which is nothing more than a Pot where you keep extra money for the people who want their money back. And the higher these provisions are, the lower the net profit for the year, on which taxes have to be paid
So it's absolutely right that casinos expect to have to return money and do so, but that's part of the business plan! One does not hurt them with it also, since this money, which is reclaimed, is considered anyway as "written off". How big the provision must be in advance, no casino can judge exactly, for this statistics of the last years are taken and based on that, the provisions are formed.
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5th Jun. 2021, at 06:02 pm CEST#21
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6th Jun. 2021, at 09:54 am CEST#22
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unicorn wrote on 05.06.2021 at 17:58
People here don't really understand much about economics. Every reasonable company builds so called THROUGH LOSS PROVISIONS and litigation cost provisions, this is nothing more than a Pot where you keep extra money for the people who want their money back. And the higher these provisions are, the lower the net profit for the year, on which taxes have to be paid
So it's absolutely right that casinos expect to have to return money and do so, but that's part of the business plan! One does not hurt them with it also, since this money, which is reclaimed, is considered anyway as "written off". How big the provision must be in advance, no casino can judge exactly, for this statistics of the last years are taken and based on that, the provisions are formed.
One may form loss reserves? Not bad
Litigation costs are always such a thing.
Apart from that, this will not allow anyone to simply reclaim their money. Anyone who has deposited money in a casino knows that he will not see this money again if he loses it. Period!
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So far, not a single casino has had criminal proceedings brought against them for allowing players to access their offer. Even in Austria, where casinos lose every court case regarding gambling clawbacks, there are no legal consequences.
The only issue is that the court finds that the contract between the casino and the user was invalid and therefore the payments have to be refunded.
And that a casino of course refers to EU law is quite clear.
And if the TE already has a lawyer, then that's pretty stupid to write to the casino personally.
The people who condemn the moral I can understand in a certain way, but would wish me here a little less emotion. In the end, these are civil lawsuits. The casinos have known for a long time that they are moving in a gray area, and the players have known that for a long time. I am absolutely in favor of the economy being free and casinos remaining allowed. However, casinos are not exactly the authority for morals and ethics. Everyone should act here on their own responsibility. Just as the casinos have long known that they can face civil lawsuits.
Whoever wants to do it should do it, whoever doesn't. But dumping the moral acid is simply too short thought. If someone lost all his belongings in a casino, then they cry for personal responsibility and declare ''bad luck'' as a slogan. If a player fetches the money again and for some teachable a second chance can mean, then on it one tramples and the responsibility of the Casinos completely forgets, which knew very well that the legal situation can lead sometime to exactly such a thing. And that lawyers will pounce on it, as soon as the basis for it was created, is also more than foreseeable.
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I give you basically right with what you have written but one must not forget that many of their entire property there verballern when they have it back in the next store continue to make and then we are already in the direction of fraud
You should work on the problem at all everything you have to Deposit in a casino and possibly build up there rather than end up for his own inability to make the casino liable
Of course, casinos are well served when people lose that is not because they are evil but because it is just their business the doctor also lives on it when people get sick and in this point I have to take the casinos simply times in protection the coal then goes back was already included in the accounting and of it the providers want their share and the damage has in the end the company (casino)
From this live then again employees and all because a handful of people do not manage to lose or only so much to play that they do not itch when they lose
And then to take the argument it is forbidden if they had gambled away their money in an offline casino they would have the same problem only with the difference that they have no possibility to get anything back
Do you understand how I mean one takes consciously the back door for its own Debt and that is egoistic I think therefore all there so uproar
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I understand your approach, but in reverse it would then certainly be justifiable, casinos should recover paid out winnings, if the payout sum exceeds the Deposit sum.
That would then also be justifiable, since the whole thing must not become a one-way street in the legal sense, should the courts decide in individual cases that the contract between casino and user was invalid.
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And here is my point. It is not about exchanging countless arguments here. It is not about who is right or wrong. One can see the thing in such a way or in such a way and on both sides good arguments are to be found.
The point is to see the matter more calmly and to leave the moral club in the cellar. It's Business. The casinos have taken the business Risk of being confronted with reclaims at some point.
Even in Austria, where the legal situation is crystal clear and the player always gets his money back, there are still countless casinos on the market. And why? Yes, because it is still profitable for them. They have already planned for it. They know that so and so much % of the players reclaim and calculate exactly whether it is still worth it, which it seems to do.
Therefore, it is completely out of place from some users here immediately with insults and insults to throw around. I get so a collective unreflective wave of indignation on the nerves, which usually suggest that it is simple minds.
If someone brings factual arguments, then we can talk about it. Far too many lack objectivity and react out of impulse, not realizing how out of line their behavior and how dispensable their statements are
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But, the one-way street remains. Casinos cannot invoke German law, 1. because they are located in Malta, 2. because they justify all their actions under European law and it is legal from this perspective due to the freedom to provide services
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No, they most likely could not, as this already falls under the criminal offense of fraud. It would be hard for the casino to argue that they only learned about the legal situation at that very moment, they would then have to block all players of the respective country and it would then be even easier to get back the play money losses, since the casino itself admits that the contracts are invalid.
For the players, the clawback only works because they are assumed to be ignorant of complex legal issues.
If a player gets money back, gambles it away in another casino and then tries to get the money back there, then he is also up for fraud, since he has already deposited with the intention of getting the money back
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The people here do not understand from economics really much. Every reasonably positioned company forms so-called THROUGH-LOSS PROVISIONS and litigation cost provisions, which is nothing more than a Pot where you keep extra money for the people who want their money back. And the higher these provisions are, the lower the net profit for the year, on which taxes have to be paid
So it's absolutely right that casinos expect to have to return money and do so, but that's part of the business plan! One does not hurt them with it also, since this money, which is reclaimed, is considered anyway as "written off". How big the provision must be in advance, no casino can judge exactly, for this statistics of the last years are taken and based on that, the provisions are formed.
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One may form loss reserves? Not bad
Litigation costs are always such a thing.
Apart from that, this will not allow anyone to simply reclaim their money. Anyone who has deposited money in a casino knows that he will not see this money again if he loses it. Period!
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