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Off topic & small talk: Özil & Gündogan - Trikotgate (Page 2)

Topic created on 21st May. 2018 | Page: 2 of 2 | Answers: 16 | Views: 3,441
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21st May. 2018, at 04:55 pm CEST#11
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Zaroo8 wrote on 05/21/2018 at 4:41 pm: Bones

What are you smoking ? I would love to take this sometime too

Lucky Strike

Actually, the consensus on this topic here in the forum was already clear to me, so I didn't really want to join in the discussion. The thread exists to keep the sports betting thread free. But I accept your opinions, everyone should finally have their own.

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21st May. 2018, at 05:01 pm CEST#12
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These two may have been born and raised here, but they have always remained Turks, they have never identified with Germany and they never will. They gladly take all the advantages that are offered to them. You can not blame them, after all we allow it . For me , these two have no business in the national team ( or in the team , as Ms Löw calls them ) . And the loyalty belongs to Erdogan, but they prefer to play in the German team than in the Turkish, simply because it is better for the wallet. If the Turkish national team would be in the World Cup and would have to play against the team, the Turks would have thirteen men on the field . Loyalty to his own country is for me a criterion to play in the German national team and that have both just as little as you bones. And another thing because you claim here you have many Turkish friends, no you do not, you infidel, you just think you have the same .

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21st May. 2018, at 05:04 pm CEST#13
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21st May. 2018, at 05:07 pm CEST#14
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What? So I am very sure that I really have Turkish friends Both German with Turkish migration background and Turkish friends with Turkish citizenship. However, I am really incredulous Neither you nor I should probably play for the national team, in the district league was the end for me and that is then probably not enough for the team of the best German players. By the way, Germany played the last time in the European Championship qualifiers 2010/2011 against Turkey, Özil scored for Germany. He also played a significant role in the success in 2014 and an even greater role in 2010

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22nd May. 2018, at 05:21 pm CEST#15
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Bone wrote on 05/21/2018 at 2:40 PM
Article 3
(1) All people are equal before the law.
(2) Men and women shall have equal rights. The State shall promote the effective implementation of equal rights for women and men and shall work towards the elimination of existing disadvantages.
(3) No one shall be discriminated against or given preference on the grounds of sex, descent, race, language, nationality and origin, creed, religious or political beliefs. No one may be disadvantaged because of his or her disability.

So a debate whether the two should be kicked out of the national team is wrong anyway. Personally, I would also like to see a national team without AFD voters, but we also have political freedom. I think that Özil and Gündogan in particular are simply uneducated in this regard.

Demand that times in Turkey with the Mr. Erdowahn...
Therefore, any debate about people who give this madman a jersey with the inscription "for my president" is unnecessary

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22nd May. 2018, at 05:41 pm CEST#16
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@bones
It shows that Özil and Gündogan are not completely hostile towards Germany.

You're not serious, are you >:O.The two are German....in any case, they act like it.
All players with a migration background also never sing the national hymn with...how come
I would not have taken the two to the World Cup.Even without the two we are well positioned.The player Özil is anyway mercilessly overrated.

But we Germans always have to be politically correct towards people with an immigrant background...no matter what they do.
Those responsible should have set a clear signal and excluded the two for the World Cup...but they simply lack the guts.
And if they no longer want to play for Germany after the World Cup...so what.
And I better not write more now...otherwise it will be deleted.


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22nd May. 2018, at 11:13 pm CEST#17
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Smitty91 wrote on 22/05/2018 at 17:21
Demand this from Mr. Erdowahn in Turkey sometime...
Therefore, any debate about people who give this lunatic even a jersey with the inscription "for my president" is superfluous

Is probably somewhat difficult and somehow also nonsensical to demand the implementation of the German constitution in Turkey. To make it clear, I do not think anything of Erdogan's policy. I don't think anything about imprisoning critical journalists, eliminating the opposition and bombing Kurds. I was politically active in Germany, currently for various reasons, mainly temporal, no longer, and very left. I also do not like the action of Gündogan and Özil and agree there with Cem Özdemir, the president of the two players is Frank Walter Steinmeier. Now at least Gündogan as far as I know also has a Turkish nationality, so he has so seen also two presidents. Personally, I think nothing of patriotism or any other form of nationalism, I think that divides more than it unites. Nevertheless, even if I do not share the opinion in any way, there is freedom in Germany to have one's own political views. Even if Özil and Gündogan are convinced of Erdogan's politics, that is somewhere legitimate. What I really want to say is: soccer and politics should not be mixed up too much. I agree with Julian that public figures should pay more attention to the values they convey and in this respect the two have made a mistake. But really not one that would be so tragic as to warrant a sporting exclusion. The issue is made much bigger than it is and it is a shame to see how many racists bluntly abuse it. I'm sure there are reflective opinions that completely reject what these two did. But who has looked at the Facebook comments under the DFB and fan club pages in recent days, has seen how dirty and racist individuals of the population still are. But the worst thing about it is that such opinions are now again shared and supported. I think, and this is my own personal opinion based on what I see lately, Germany has a bigger problem with racism within society than with asylum seekers, people with a migration background and foreigners together.

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