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24th Jan. 2018, at 03:34 pm CET#21
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Me and Matthias have thought about possibly renting a cheap apartment for Dipson or some cheap youth hostel where he can sleep for the time being. Dipson was also very active here in the forum and was there for a long time. Now also explains why the last contributions of him were aggressive.
We are thinking about it right now. There are of course still some problems.
1. We pool and pay for the accommodation through Matthias' company. The problem is that we would then probably be liable if Dipson f**ks up in the accommodation.
2. That would of course be an action that we can not always afford and then possibly all the players come and also want accommodation.
3. How does the community feel about such an action. At that time Vivera had started something like that and he reaped - for more or less understandable reasons - only hate.
Of course, we would only do this if all else fails. That is, if Dipson tries to go to the employment or social welfare office or homelessness has already occurred and he really can't find another place to stay with his parents, for example.
In 2009, I was on the verge of homelessness myself, and once you're homeless, it's hard to get out of it. Because without housing there is no Hartz-4 and without income or at least Hartz-4 no apartment.
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24th Jan. 2018, at 03:47 pm CET#22
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I find the idea of Daniel and Matthias good. Dipson must make a serious effort and stand on his hind legs that he comes up again. I think if you really want to change your situation then you can do it. It's just a rocky road. But thumbs up for Daniel and Matthias, shows me just again that we are here in the community but ne kind of family.
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24th Jan. 2018, at 03:55 pm CET#23
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I'm in - just tell me how you want this to go down
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24th Jan. 2018, at 03:57 pm CET#24
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I find the idea basically also good, but you have to say here that if you really have such a serious gambling problem nothing goes past a therapy or a complete change of environment..I think the proposal that was made here that you look for help at the church, etc. and then sleep there until the therapy begins I think would also be worth considering..Of course a therapy is not a guarantee...but times several months do not play and times bissel become clearer has not hurt most..you always have the problem that you no longer have a relationship to money... Gambling addiction is just shit because there are machines on every corner in Germany... but I think he needs psychological help simply because he is already so deep in it... I mean the rent back and gambling is one thing... but not to go to work because you only want to gamble... that's a whole lot harder... most gamblers know that they can no longer gamble without work... and even that was indifferent to him...
PS: Vivera had asked for donations for the "blackwood"... I think but if he would talk about him again I think he has him 100% borrowed money and get nothing back... can yes Vivera yes what to say .So what I'm getting at is you give him no money ... you give yes a home..in a Zockerforum ask for money is just bissel stupid
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24th Jan. 2018, at 04:08 pm CET#25
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I believe in the circumstances described by Dipson, sympathize with him, and have also had difficult times when the game got out of hand.
But I have always lived with the consequences, and at some point I disciplined myself. I am a player and that's it.
I find your idea very generous and human. However, in Dipson's place I would refuse.
It won't do any good.
The fact is, we live in Germany. Here, no one, absolutely no one, who is able to articulate himself, has to slide into homelessness.
Immediately go to the social welfare office, quite honestly drop your pants. It is not pleasant, but there is no other way. It just happened, they will catch it. Professionally and appropriately.
Highest praise to Daniel and Matthias, quite honestly, very compassionate, but I think Dipson needs some kind of support that cannot be offered to him like this.
Don't hold it against me, especially Dipson, but I'm also thinking of the responsibility you would take. I don't want to assess, for example, whether someone in such a situation (which feels hopeless) is not suicidal. There are very competent places for this and Dipson has to go this way. In a few months everything will be top again. Now, however, thoughts and considerations from, and to the social office, which can initiate everything necessary.
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24th Jan. 2018, at 04:30 pm CET#26
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locke2kk wrote on 24.01.2018 at 15:57 clock: I find the idea basically also good, but you have to say here that if you really have such a serious gambling problem nothing goes past a therapy or a complete change of environment ...i think the proposal that was made here that you look for help at the church, etc. and then sleep there until the therapy begins I think would also be worth considering... Of course a therapy is not a guarantee... but times several months not play and times bissel clearer has not hurt most... you always have the problem that you no longer have a relationship to money... Gambling addiction is just shit because there are machines on every corner in Germany... but I think he needs psychological help simply because he is already so deep in it... I mean the rent back and gambling is one thing... but not to go to work because you only want to gamble... that's a whole lot harder... most gamblers know that they can no longer gamble without work... and even that was indifferent to him...
PS: Vivera had asked for the "blackwood" for donations... I think but if he would talk about him again I think he has him 100% borrowed money and get nothing back... can yes Vivera yes what to say .So what I'm getting at is you give him no money ... you give yes a home..in a Zockerforum ask for money is just bissel stupid
Yes, the action was possibly a bit clumsy. Mirschuldet no one money - please do not misunderstand - otherwise I would like to say nothing more to the story and will not answer any more questions about it - as I said, no offense.
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24th Jan. 2018, at 04:42 pm CET#27
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yes okay, you do not have to say if you do not want
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24th Jan. 2018, at 06:28 pm CET#28
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I think that's a great idea Daniel. No one should have to live on the street if there is another way
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24th Jan. 2018, at 06:59 pm CET#29
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What does Dipson himself say about it ? Does anyone have contact with him ?
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24th Jan. 2018, at 07:03 pm CET#30
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I once had a very good friend who was in a similar situation, we played soccer together for 6 years in the Verbandsliga and 2 years in the Oberliga and there we have also already earned nice money besides our work but I did not know that he is addicted to gambling. We met almost every day, went on vacation together with our girlfriends, etc.. One day he came to me and asked me if I could help him for me that was out of the question from the bank and gave him 5000.00 DM (Yes that was still in the time when there were still DM, I'm already a bit older). When I had given him the money I saw him no more I think after 5 or 6 years I had met him again times, to me the money I lent him did not hurt but I was annoyed that I had lost a very good friend by gambling. Through other friends I had learned what he had done with the money, he had gambled it all away. Why did he not say anything to me at that time I could have helped im sure so I lost my money and my best friend that I am still sorry today.
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We are thinking about it right now. There are of course still some problems.
1. We pool and pay for the accommodation through Matthias' company. The problem is that we would then probably be liable if Dipson f**ks up in the accommodation.
2. That would of course be an action that we can not always afford and then possibly all the players come and also want accommodation.
3. How does the community feel about such an action. At that time Vivera had started something like that and he reaped - for more or less understandable reasons - only hate.
Of course, we would only do this if all else fails. That is, if Dipson tries to go to the employment or social welfare office or homelessness has already occurred and he really can't find another place to stay with his parents, for example.
In 2009, I was on the verge of homelessness myself, and once you're homeless, it's hard to get out of it. Because without housing there is no Hartz-4 and without income or at least Hartz-4 no apartment.
What do you (community) think of it?
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PS: Vivera had asked for donations for the "blackwood"... I think but if he would talk about him again I think he has him 100% borrowed money and get nothing back... can yes Vivera yes what to say .So what I'm getting at is you give him no money ... you give yes a home..in a Zockerforum ask for money is just bissel stupid
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But I have always lived with the consequences, and at some point I disciplined myself. I am a player and that's it.
I find your idea very generous and human. However, in Dipson's place I would refuse.
It won't do any good.
The fact is, we live in Germany. Here, no one, absolutely no one, who is able to articulate himself, has to slide into homelessness.
Immediately go to the social welfare office, quite honestly drop your pants. It is not pleasant, but there is no other way. It just happened, they will catch it. Professionally and appropriately.
Highest praise to Daniel and Matthias, quite honestly, very compassionate, but I think Dipson needs some kind of support that cannot be offered to him like this.
Don't hold it against me, especially Dipson, but I'm also thinking of the responsibility you would take. I don't want to assess, for example, whether someone in such a situation (which feels hopeless) is not suicidal. There are very competent places for this and Dipson has to go this way. In a few months everything will be top again. Now, however, thoughts and considerations from, and to the social office, which can initiate everything necessary.
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Yes, the action was possibly a bit clumsy. Mirschuldet no one money - please do not misunderstand - otherwise I would like to say nothing more to the story and will not answer any more questions about it - as I said, no offense.
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