And regarding compulsory vaccination, this is just being introduced in Austria.
Just to prepare you for what will probably come in Germany. Here is the law in short form:
The Minister of Health may determine the intervals and the vaccine at any time. After Austria has already ordered 40 million doses (with just under 9 million inhabitants) for 2023 and 2024, it can be assumed that in the future you will have to come in for a new vaccination about every 4 months.
Who then wants to get out at the 4, 5 or 6 vaccination loses his basic rights and is excluded from social life.
The police will check on the street. It can happen that one is simply stopped by the police and a vaccination confirmation is to be presented.
In Austria, attempts were made months ago to equip the green passport with additional data, such as educational status, occupation and other health data. For the time being, this has failed due to the resistance of the broad masses. But it is clear where the journey is headed
In China, the social credit system has already been in place for some time. There, all behavior is recorded. Whether you cross the street at a red light, what you post on social media, whether you are critical of the government, what you buy, whether you buy healthy food, etc
In China, you then lose points if you don't behave accordingly
The fewer points you have, the more you are excluded from society
You are no longer allowed to use public transportation. You are no longer allowed to fly. One gets no more credit. In the worst case, you lose your apartment because you can no longer rent or buy an apartment below a certain score
Who does not believe simply after Chinese social credit system google.
And this is the way we are going with slow steps. None of you can really want that, can you?
And if you deny that it goes in this direction then you just close your eyes to it. We have had this system for a long time, but it is not linked to as many things as it is in China. That is the only difference
Once the system is installed, resistance is impossible. You can then shut people down immediately at the push of a button by cutting off their access to everything. By immediately making them lose their job, apartment, etc. The access to the Internet is blocked, etc. Will also soon come that one comes only with an ID on the Internet. A broad resistance is then impossible
With digitalization, it is possible for the first time in history to install a surveillance state from which there is no escape
And what people like Ruhrpott and unfortunately many others do not understand. We are all in the same boat. None of us has anything from such a system, unless you are high up in the social order. But one has managed that those who are concerned with such a system tear each other apart and many do not even understand that they cut themselves with it in the finger
No totalitarian system could ever be established without giving people supposedly good and noble reasons for it. Today we look retrospectively at former systems and shake only with the head how humans could permit that at that time
But at that time people did not have the information that we have now about those times
People also thought it was necessary, temporary, the state was doing it for protection and so on
I know that opinions are so entrenched that you can't get through anyway. But maybe one or the other thinks about the future he would like to live in and whether it all feels so right what is happening
ruhrpott wrote on 17.01.2022 at 23:15: What you mean in your head to want to put everything so right is up to you. I have described my intention
Study? You? What do you think you can prove that is so great?
For example, you write the following on page 516:
- Intensive care beds reduction of several thousand beds within the last 2 years. (Who makes such a thing please in a '' pandemic? '')
- with a vaccination that does not protect against infection and transmission. (Omicron)
On the first question you don't even check that it is of zero use to have beds available if at the same time there is a lack of personnel.
And also it is simply wrong that there is no protection against transmission. Especially the booster provides at least partial protection against transmission, as well as against infection.
Those who do not understand and accept even such simple facts simply do not deserve a serious discussion.
Why is there a lack of personnel? There are sufficient personnel for well over 20,000 intensive care beds. The question is, why is this staff not being used? There are a number of factors. Be it pay, working conditions and, last but not least, the current measures. In addition, there is no interest on the part of the Ministry of Health for Jaaaahren to change something in the care. Instead, there is only talk and empty promises. Alleged goals that have been achieved are backed up with falsified graphics
Not only Rezo (the Youtuber), but also the mainstream criticized this cover-up of the responsible persons in the last years several times sharply. Even thousands of health professionals Meckern and criticize for decades!
What consequences are there for those responsible? None. It is so ridiculous...
Just by the way, the term "boosters" does not even exist in medicine. This is only used for the naive layman. Inquire times in the net or best with your family doctor, how one calls this renewed intervention. Then google it....
The so-called boosting of your genes might help for a few weeks, but it does not offer you guaranteed protection. Ninety percent are Insufficient, insufficient, even dilettantish. Whoever glosses over this so-called protection of 90% should be punished just like the Holocaust deniers. Hard but just!
It is unbearable, that one would like to talk this vaccination well. And the more one speaks out against a vaccination, the more one is pushed by the obedient and stupid masses into a corner of people with whom one would like to have nothing to do.
Without exception all mRNA vaccines of the last 60 years have failed. Be it because of the side effects or the unstable effect. Without exception ALL studies have failed in the last 60 years. The unstable effect is also true for the current vaccines.
That said, I like your objection from the second to last page of the chat corner. I would like to rephrase and add. The topic of corona/vaccines drives some up the wall, so I would recommend a new thread. There are certainly many members of the forum who like to spend their time in the chat corner and at the same time have no desire to discuss the Corona issue, regardless of what their opinion is...
ruhrpott wrote on 17.01.2022 at 23:15: What you mean in your head to want to put everything so right is up to you. I have described my intention
Study? You? What do you think you can prove that is so great?
For example, you write the following on page 516:
- Intensive care beds reduction of several thousand beds within the last 2 years. (Who makes such a thing please in a '' pandemic? '')
- with a vaccination that does not protect against infection and transmission. (Omicron)
On the first question you don't even check that it is of zero use to have beds available if at the same time there is a lack of personnel.
And also it is simply wrong that there is no protection against transmission. Especially the booster provides at least a partial protection against transmission, as well as against infection.
Those who do not understand and accept even such simple facts simply do not deserve a serious discussion.
I'm telling you
Something like independent research or independent thinking seems to be foreign to you.
You just look up what the media writes and then present it as facts. But you obviously lack the mental capacity to check it yourself and therefore just believe everything.
Flu vaccinations have a '' protection'' of under 50%. You can read at the RKI.
Corona vaccinations, just now with Omikron, lie there still far under it. You can also see the figures of the RKI, if you knew how to read them.
The vaccinations against Corona have more side effects than ALL vaccinations together in the last 20 years.
You can also find out from the statistics of the official authorities (USA/EU). Dark figure is estimated to be many times higher.
With each new vaccination you run the Risk of thrombosis and heart failure.
If you are under 35 years old and have no risk factors, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than to die of corona. You can also see this from the official statistics.
If you are under 50, the risk increases a little, but is still so low that it is not a particular threat.
Your ''knowledge'' is nothing more than government propaganda. And I don't mean that in a bad or derogatory way, it's just a fact. You are being lied to. See that finally and if you do not believe it then start result openly to research and convince yourself
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Huh? I agree with you on many points, but I don't see Corona as the problem. But you seem to need an easy scapegoat instead of looking at things in a more differentiated way. Most of the current grievances have not just been there since Corona, but are problems inherent in the system. Much is simply due to our economic system and the population explosion since the beginning of industrialization in the middle of the 18th century.
But of course, everyone who is not directly 100% of your opinion, is directly nen propaganda sheep and unliberal, lolska. I also watched a lot of KenFM etc. before Corona, and had to be called a conspiracy victim etc. by some acquaintances because of that. In my opinion, though, most alternative media has gone completely off the rails since C. And the plurality, which they usually miss in the MSM, they don't have anymore. They all toot the same horn.
I have also nowhere written that there was triage. Come back down a bit, and do not insult directly, just because someone has a different opinion. Or let your imagination run wild, what to do with such stupid propaganda sheep. I would be interested to know what you would see as a just punishment.
Falcon wrote on 17.01.2022 at 23:50
I'm telling you
Something like independent research or independent thinking seems to be foreign to you.
You just regurgitate what the media writes and then present it as facts. But you obviously lack the mental capacity to check for yourself and therefore just believe everything.
Flu vaccinations have a '' protection'' of under 50%. You can read at the RKI.
Corona vaccinations, just now with Omikron, lie there still far under it. You can also see the figures of the RKI, if you knew how to read them.
The vaccinations against Corona have more side effects than ALL vaccinations together in the last 20 years.
You can also find out from the statistics of the official authorities (USA/EU). Dark figure is estimated to be many times higher.
With each new vaccination you run the Risk of thrombosis and heart failure.
If you are under 35 years old and have no risk factors, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than to die of corona. You can also see this from the official statistics.
If you are under 50, the risk increases a little, but is still so low that it is not a particular threat.
Your ''knowledge'' is nothing more than government propaganda. And I don't mean that in a bad or derogatory way, it's just a fact. You are being lied to. See that finally and if you do not believe it then start result openly to research and convince yourself.
That took 30 seconds to find it on the page of the RKI under the facts: Stand 21.12.21. Meanwhile there are enough data and statements of the experts of various countries which see that even better.
After a booster vaccination with the Comirnaty vaccine a good effectiveness against Omikron was found. This is true for individuals who were previously vaccinated 2 times with Vaxzevria as well as for individuals who received the Comirnaty vaccine. It can be assumed that similar efficacy (as with booster vaccination with Comirnaty) will also be achieved with booster vaccination with Spikevax (Moderna). It is also expected that booster vaccination will provide good protection regardless of the basic immunization schedule with the vaccines licensed in Germany.
And now you-
As I said, it is useless to discuss with you.
That's why I'm out of this topic. Keep helping yourself to all the Youtube "doctors" and co. and don't babble all over you.
SlottiKarotti wrote on 17.01.2022 at 23:50: @Falke
Huh? I agree with you on many points, but I don't see Corona as the problem. But you seem to need an easy scapegoat instead of looking at things in a more differentiated way. Most of the current grievances have not just been there since Corona, but are problems inherent in the system. Much is simply due to our economic system and the population explosion since the beginning of industrialization in the middle of the 18th century.
But of course, everyone who is not directly 100% of your opinion is directly nen propaganda sheep and unliberal, lolska. I also watched a lot of KenFM etc. before Corona, and had to be called a conspiracy victim etc. by some acquaintances because of that. In my opinion, however, most alternative media has gone completely off the rails since C. And the plurality, which they usually miss in the MSM, they don't have anymore. They all toot the same horn.
I have also nowhere written that there was triage. Come back down a bit, and do not insult directly, just because someone has a different opinion. Or let your imagination run wild, what to do with such stupid propaganda sheep. I would be interested to know what you would see as a just punishment.
Thank you. Your post now reads much more differentiated. I was disturbed by the argumentation with the relatives etc. This is a killer argument and has no place in a discussion.
Otherwise, I agree with you in part. There were many problems before that. No question about it.
It's all the more astonishing to me that people really believe that politicians only want what's best for us and that they're really concerned about health protection.
But one thing has changed drastically since Corona.
You were relatively free and you could more or less break away from the system and do your own thing when you noticed the abuses.
Our legal system before Corona was: the individual is paramount and everyone has the same rights.
That is the basic principle of a free liberal society
Now we have: Collectivism instead of individualism. The individual must be subordinate to the '' body of the people''. Individual interests count for nothing and therefore must give up rights for the collective
This is the basic principle of communism and fascism
ruhrpott wrote on 17.01.2022 at 23:53
That took beaten 30 seconds to find it on the page of the RKI under the facts: Stand 21.12.21. In the meantime there are enough data and statements of the experts of various countries who see it even better.
After a booster vaccination with the Comirnaty vaccine a good effectiveness against Omikron was found. This is true for individuals who were previously vaccinated 2 times with Vaxzevria as well as for individuals who received the Comirnaty vaccine. It can be assumed that similar efficacy (as with booster vaccination with Comirnaty) will also be achieved with booster vaccination with Spikevax (Moderna). It is also expected that booster vaccination will provide good protection regardless of the basic immunization schedule with the vaccines licensed in Germany.
And now you-
As I said, it is useless to discuss with you.
That's why I'm out of this topic. Keep helping yourself to all the Youtube "doctors" and co. and don't babble all over you.
It can be assumed... It is also expected...
The data itself shows otherwise
So why don't you get it? It is known that the RKI can be misused for the whole theater. Otherwise it would not work.
However, the RKI also provides data and this is what it is all about.
These say something completely different than the official announcements.
And you have to be able to read them to understand. But without a certain level of education will be difficult and I do not even mean badly
And secondly
What does it help against? You have almost no Risk under 35. And for that you shoot yourself with a gene-based vaccine that has an immense side effect profile so that you don't get any cold symptoms?
Seriously now?
Ever heard of cost/benefit calculations?
And that's the problem in our discussion. I evaluate according to the actual available data and from that you then derive the risk estimate
You internalize instead the panic articles of the media which are in many cases completely exaggerated and in some cases demonstrably wrong
You BELIEVE. That's all you do. You simply believe the media
Not too long ago the media said that smoking was totally healthy. There were women shown smoking, which is supposed to represent the independent woman. Doctors were in favor of smoking
At that time, thalidomide was considered a safe drug without side effects and was administered to pregnant women. The result was thousands of miscarriages and children with missing limbs. You can google about it
At that time cocaine was in cola
In shoe stores there were X-ray machines to see if the shoe really fit
The largest pharmaceutical companies have had to pay billions in fines over the last few decades because they submitted false data during the approval process. One of them today also publishes a Corona vaccine. You can also google it
You are just completely uninformed. Do something about it
But stop hating people who are not and excluding them from social life just because they know more than you
Rather learn from them
15% strong side effects. 40% mild side effects. Only 40% no side effects at all after vaccination.
The survey was conducted by INSA. A reputable polling institute.
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Just to prepare you for what will probably come in Germany. Here is the law in short form:
The Minister of Health may determine the intervals and the vaccine at any time. After Austria has already ordered 40 million doses (with just under 9 million inhabitants) for 2023 and 2024, it can be assumed that in the future you will have to come in for a new vaccination about every 4 months.
Who then wants to get out at the 4, 5 or 6 vaccination loses his basic rights and is excluded from social life.
The police will check on the street. It can happen that one is simply stopped by the police and a vaccination confirmation is to be presented.
In Austria, attempts were made months ago to equip the green passport with additional data, such as educational status, occupation and other health data. For the time being, this has failed due to the resistance of the broad masses. But it is clear where the journey is headed
In China, the social credit system has already been in place for some time. There, all behavior is recorded. Whether you cross the street at a red light, what you post on social media, whether you are critical of the government, what you buy, whether you buy healthy food, etc
In China, you then lose points if you don't behave accordingly
The fewer points you have, the more you are excluded from society
You are no longer allowed to use public transportation. You are no longer allowed to fly. One gets no more credit. In the worst case, you lose your apartment because you can no longer rent or buy an apartment below a certain score
Who does not believe simply after Chinese social credit system google.
And this is the way we are going with slow steps. None of you can really want that, can you?
And if you deny that it goes in this direction then you just close your eyes to it. We have had this system for a long time, but it is not linked to as many things as it is in China. That is the only difference
Once the system is installed, resistance is impossible. You can then shut people down immediately at the push of a button by cutting off their access to everything. By immediately making them lose their job, apartment, etc. The access to the Internet is blocked, etc. Will also soon come that one comes only with an ID on the Internet. A broad resistance is then impossible
With digitalization, it is possible for the first time in history to install a surveillance state from which there is no escape
And what people like Ruhrpott and unfortunately many others do not understand. We are all in the same boat. None of us has anything from such a system, unless you are high up in the social order. But one has managed that those who are concerned with such a system tear each other apart and many do not even understand that they cut themselves with it in the finger
No totalitarian system could ever be established without giving people supposedly good and noble reasons for it. Today we look retrospectively at former systems and shake only with the head how humans could permit that at that time
But at that time people did not have the information that we have now about those times
People also thought it was necessary, temporary, the state was doing it for protection and so on
I know that opinions are so entrenched that you can't get through anyway. But maybe one or the other thinks about the future he would like to live in and whether it all feels so right what is happening
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Why is there a lack of personnel? There are sufficient personnel for well over 20,000 intensive care beds. The question is, why is this staff not being used? There are a number of factors. Be it pay, working conditions and, last but not least, the current measures. In addition, there is no interest on the part of the Ministry of Health for Jaaaahren to change something in the care. Instead, there is only talk and empty promises. Alleged goals that have been achieved are backed up with falsified graphics
Not only Rezo (the Youtuber), but also the mainstream criticized this cover-up of the responsible persons in the last years several times sharply. Even thousands of health professionals Meckern and criticize for decades!
What consequences are there for those responsible? None. It is so ridiculous...
Just by the way, the term "boosters" does not even exist in medicine. This is only used for the naive layman. Inquire times in the net or best with your family doctor, how one calls this renewed intervention. Then google it....
The so-called boosting of your genes might help for a few weeks, but it does not offer you guaranteed protection. Ninety percent are Insufficient, insufficient, even dilettantish. Whoever glosses over this so-called protection of 90% should be punished just like the Holocaust deniers. Hard but just!
It is unbearable, that one would like to talk this vaccination well. And the more one speaks out against a vaccination, the more one is pushed by the obedient and stupid masses into a corner of people with whom one would like to have nothing to do.
Without exception all mRNA vaccines of the last 60 years have failed. Be it because of the side effects or the unstable effect. Without exception ALL studies have failed in the last 60 years. The unstable effect is also true for the current vaccines.
That said, I like your objection from the second to last page of the chat corner. I would like to rephrase and add. The topic of corona/vaccines drives some up the wall, so I would recommend a new thread. There are certainly many members of the forum who like to spend their time in the chat corner and at the same time have no desire to discuss the Corona issue, regardless of what their opinion is...
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I'm telling you
Something like independent research or independent thinking seems to be foreign to you.
You just look up what the media writes and then present it as facts. But you obviously lack the mental capacity to check it yourself and therefore just believe everything.
Flu vaccinations have a '' protection'' of under 50%. You can read at the RKI.
Corona vaccinations, just now with Omikron, lie there still far under it. You can also see the figures of the RKI, if you knew how to read them.
The vaccinations against Corona have more side effects than ALL vaccinations together in the last 20 years.
You can also find out from the statistics of the official authorities (USA/EU). Dark figure is estimated to be many times higher.
With each new vaccination you run the Risk of thrombosis and heart failure.
If you are under 35 years old and have no risk factors, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than to die of corona. You can also see this from the official statistics.
If you are under 50, the risk increases a little, but is still so low that it is not a particular threat.
Your ''knowledge'' is nothing more than government propaganda. And I don't mean that in a bad or derogatory way, it's just a fact. You are being lied to. See that finally and if you do not believe it then start result openly to research and convince yourself
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Huh? I agree with you on many points, but I don't see Corona as the problem. But you seem to need an easy scapegoat instead of looking at things in a more differentiated way. Most of the current grievances have not just been there since Corona, but are problems inherent in the system. Much is simply due to our economic system and the population explosion since the beginning of industrialization in the middle of the 18th century.
But of course, everyone who is not directly 100% of your opinion, is directly nen propaganda sheep and unliberal, lolska. I also watched a lot of KenFM etc. before Corona, and had to be called a conspiracy victim etc. by some acquaintances because of that. In my opinion, though, most alternative media has gone completely off the rails since C. And the plurality, which they usually miss in the MSM, they don't have anymore. They all toot the same horn.
I have also nowhere written that there was triage. Come back down a bit, and do not insult directly, just because someone has a different opinion. Or let your imagination run wild, what to do with such stupid propaganda sheep. I would be interested to know what you would see as a just punishment.
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That took 30 seconds to find it on the page of the RKI under the facts: Stand 21.12.21. Meanwhile there are enough data and statements of the experts of various countries which see that even better.
After a booster vaccination with the Comirnaty vaccine a good effectiveness against Omikron was found. This is true for individuals who were previously vaccinated 2 times with Vaxzevria as well as for individuals who received the Comirnaty vaccine. It can be assumed that similar efficacy (as with booster vaccination with Comirnaty) will also be achieved with booster vaccination with Spikevax (Moderna). It is also expected that booster vaccination will provide good protection regardless of the basic immunization schedule with the vaccines licensed in Germany.
And now you-
As I said, it is useless to discuss with you.
That's why I'm out of this topic. Keep helping yourself to all the Youtube "doctors" and co. and don't babble all over you.
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Thank you. Your post now reads much more differentiated. I was disturbed by the argumentation with the relatives etc. This is a killer argument and has no place in a discussion.
Otherwise, I agree with you in part. There were many problems before that. No question about it.
It's all the more astonishing to me that people really believe that politicians only want what's best for us and that they're really concerned about health protection.
But one thing has changed drastically since Corona.
You were relatively free and you could more or less break away from the system and do your own thing when you noticed the abuses.
Our legal system before Corona was: the individual is paramount and everyone has the same rights.
That is the basic principle of a free liberal society
Now we have: Collectivism instead of individualism. The individual must be subordinate to the '' body of the people''. Individual interests count for nothing and therefore must give up rights for the collective
This is the basic principle of communism and fascism
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It can be assumed... It is also expected...
The data itself shows otherwise
So why don't you get it? It is known that the RKI can be misused for the whole theater. Otherwise it would not work.
However, the RKI also provides data and this is what it is all about.
These say something completely different than the official announcements.
And you have to be able to read them to understand. But without a certain level of education will be difficult and I do not even mean badly
And secondly
What does it help against? You have almost no Risk under 35. And for that you shoot yourself with a gene-based vaccine that has an immense side effect profile so that you don't get any cold symptoms?
Seriously now?
Ever heard of cost/benefit calculations?
And that's the problem in our discussion. I evaluate according to the actual available data and from that you then derive the risk estimate
You internalize instead the panic articles of the media which are in many cases completely exaggerated and in some cases demonstrably wrong
You BELIEVE. That's all you do. You simply believe the media
Not too long ago the media said that smoking was totally healthy. There were women shown smoking, which is supposed to represent the independent woman. Doctors were in favor of smoking
At that time, thalidomide was considered a safe drug without side effects and was administered to pregnant women. The result was thousands of miscarriages and children with missing limbs. You can google about it
At that time cocaine was in cola
In shoe stores there were X-ray machines to see if the shoe really fit
The largest pharmaceutical companies have had to pay billions in fines over the last few decades because they submitted false data during the approval process. One of them today also publishes a Corona vaccine. You can also google it
You are just completely uninformed. Do something about it
But stop hating people who are not and excluding them from social life just because they know more than you
Rather learn from them
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There one can lead immediately times this article.
https://reitschuster.de/post/exklusiv-umfrage-zeigt-wie-haeufig-starke-impfnebenwirkungen-wirklich-sind/
15% strong side effects. 40% mild side effects. Only 40% no side effects at all after vaccination.
The survey was conducted by INSA. A reputable polling institute.
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