Saphira wrote on 04.03.2024 at 20:59: The forum also thrives on its different characters. One is diplomatic, the other direct, there are some who stay out of everything per se and some who like to discuss things objectively. In between, there's the occasional joker or provocateur. In the meantime, I think it's a pretty good mix that usually regulates itself. This mixture keeps the forum lively. In the past, there was hardly any tact here, the tone was rough and insults, which today are reason enough to leave a forum, were often not even perceived as such. Only when things got really nasty after pages of bickering did a moderator perhaps intervene. But actually it was left to run its course. It wasn't for the faint-hearted. Andre wasn't here yet, who would have liked more tact, and neither were many other long-time users. Today it's very peaceful compared to back then. So much so that I actually have to laugh when I see how sensitively people react here over nothing.
Blubbo started his post pointing out the chat-like conversation in other threads with "Old Falter". Then he said, among other things, that it sucked for him to see these chats everywhere and that it was like kindergarten. He then asked the Lauer family to deal with it privately. I've already picked out the "worst" comments. Old butterfly, kindergarten, sucks. 😂
Thora89 then asked Blubbo to find another hobby, basically to leave the forum if he didn't like what she wrote. I thought that was brash for a newcomer. Even more brash was the private message to Blubbo, in which Mr. Lauer advised him not to hunt anything that can't be killed. Hunt, kill, leave the forum (find another hobby) 🤔 Crowning glory: You Hur@@sons! 🤔 Further effects: Lousy and unfair judgment on TP against the entire forum and team.
Who has problems with tact here now? When new users appear, a "welcome" is given reflexively and completely normally. Unless the new user behaves strangely, abusively or otherwise impertinently. It's all been done before. Those who behave normally are treated normally. Anyone who euphorically celebrates the "hurray-we're-both-together-now-on-Gj" with x more or less meaningless comments or even just smilies and thus engages in constant bombardment has to expect that it will annoy someone. If Blubbo hadn't beaten me to it, I would certainly have mentioned it sarcastically somewhere. And then the same thing would probably have happened. So it's nonsense to look for someone to blame for the departure of the Lauer family.
I couldn't have put it better myself. Thank you for your contribution.
Well the one who brought us the nice word "regular game addict" was unfortunately also a new one If I'm not mistaken, there was only the problem with "He wasn't parroted" or am I wrong ?
Yes, you're absolutely right - that's exactly how it was and that's exactly what I mean. Someone new comes along, describes their concerns and if everything doesn't go their way, their nerves are on edge because the assessment that "casinos are always the bad guys" doesn't apply. But maybe it's all in the nature of things: a rather inexperienced player messes up, seeks encouragement but gets none: they're all idiots here.
It may be the same in the forum: New member, so inevitably inexperienced here, something rather "thoughtlessly undesirable" happens quickly, followed by a retaliatory response and the impression is perfect: New here and you're immediately given the brush-off.
For my part, I can't see any fundamental suspicion of newcomers here. Everyone has a fair chance and normally there is never a problem. Ms. Lauer was also welcomed several times yesterday, her initial post was liked etc....everything is normal. Later it escalated a bit. Wouldn't have been necessary, but I don't think it's exemplary "for here".
I couldn't have put it better myself. Thank you for your contribution.
With pleasure. I also find it disconcerting that users (especially Blubbo and you in this case) are demanding more tact, while others have shown no willingness to reflect, but have instead been rude and insulting. Regardless of whether it was nice and polite at the beginning. It just went wrong - it can happen anywhere, even in a church reading circle. Both could have given in somehow and the issue would have been over. Especially as you tried to explain in a factual and moderating manner. In hindsight, it was easy to see what really made them tick. Short fuses and a desire for revenge.
Gladly. I also find it strange that the users (here especially Blubbo and you) demand more tact, while others have shown no willingness to reflect at all, but have instead been rude and insulting. Regardless of whether it was nice and polite at the beginning. It just went wrong - it can happen anywhere, even in a church reading circle. Both could have given in somehow and the issue would have been over. Especially as you tried to explain in a factual and moderating manner. In hindsight, it was easy to see what really made them tick. Short fuses and a desire for revenge.
I could even understand why they would ask me to do that, but I really did make a factual statement. I found it annoying and told the user that. I didn't ask for anything and I don't think it's fair to say that I'm playing the cherif, because that's not the case. The fact is that the posts read like a chat and that can be annoying. Some don't care, some don't. I did care here, especially because a long-time user also participated. As I already wrote, a user was admonished for this in the past. She dug up older threads at the time. BinGOLDIG only sees this as spam. I am of the opinion that it is also considered spam if a current thread is bombarded with pointless posts.
Furthermore, I feel that the user (in this case Blubbo) is being severely restricted and tried to be educated. As if he wasn't grown up enough. His tone wasn't the friendliest, Blubbo knows that himself, but to be fair you have to admit that he always writes like that. I personally don't have anything against that either, as he doesn't cross the line and never gets insulting or personal. As you wrote, we are all different. Some are more direct, some are more polite. I also demand respect because I also treat others with respect. Blubbo has behaved respectfully here too. Respectful doesn't always mean that you have to be polite. Respect can be expressed through various forms of behavior, including politeness.
In addition, the admins have not commented on the content of the private message and have not distanced themselves from this gesture. Regardless of what triggered it, such a gesture should not be tolerated. We are all indifferent users, regardless of our rank or how long we have been registered here. No one can take the liberty of introducing themselves above a user and telling them when to post or when to keep quiet.
I would also be very grateful if you would reply to my post. I have invested time and commented on the incident.
Thanks for your description of the incident, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was ignoring you, I was just half a foot off work earlier and because I was still following the thread on the side, I briefly lost focus on the discussion that followed.
I'll reply tomorrow at my leisure
@Saphira @frapi07 - Even though there are really many points where I agree with you in principle and can really only agree with you, there are at least some points where I have a slightly different opinion.
But as already mentioned above, I would like to take a little more time for this and write a little something about it tomorrow
And I think it's generally very good that you're all expressing your opinions and views on the current "climate" in the forum.
It's also important for us to get an overall impression of current developments.
At this point, I would also be interested to hear the opinions of other readers, possibly members who are following this thread with interest but generally prefer to abstain from such topics.
I would like to take the opportunity here, if we are already having such a discussion, to get as many impressions as possible.
I would therefore ask everyone involved to keep the discussion as factual and respectful as it is now, and if someone expresses an opinion that may differ from their own, not to drive them up the wall straight away. - Not that we'll get another negative Trust review tomorrow
Thanks for your account of the incident, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was ignoring you, I was just half a foot off work earlier and, because I was still following the thread on the side, briefly lost focus on the ensuing discussion.
I'll reply tomorrow at my leisure
@Saphira @frapi07 - Even though there are really many points where I agree with you in principle and can really only agree with you, there are at least some points where I have a slightly different opinion.
But as already mentioned above, I would like to take a little more time for this and write a little something about it tomorrow
And I think it's generally very good that you're all expressing your opinions and views on the current "climate" in the forum.
It's also important for us to get an overall impression of current developments.
At this point, I would also be interested to hear the opinions of other readers, possibly members who are following this thread with interest but generally prefer to abstain from such topics.
I would like to take the opportunity here, if we are already having such a discussion, to get as many impressions as possible.
I would therefore ask everyone involved to keep the discussion as factual and respectful as it is now, and if someone expresses an opinion that may differ from their own, not to drive them up the wall straight away. - Not that we'll get another negative Trust review tomorrow
Good night!
Of course I didn't know that. Then I apologize for reacting the way I did. I'll read through your reply and your points tomorrow.
Thanks for your account of the incident, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was ignoring you, I was just half a foot off work earlier and, because I was still following the thread on the side, briefly lost focus on the ensuing discussion.
I'll reply tomorrow at my leisure
@Saphira @frapi07 - Even though there are really many points where I agree with you in principle and can really only agree with you, there are at least some points where I have a slightly different opinion.
But as already mentioned above, I would like to take a little more time for this and write a little something about it tomorrow
And I think it's generally very good that you're all expressing your opinions and views on the current "climate" in the forum.
It's also important for us to get an overall impression of current developments.
At this point, I would also be interested to hear the opinions of other readers, possibly members who are following this thread with interest but generally prefer to abstain from such topics.
I would like to take the opportunity here, if we are already having such a discussion, to get as many impressions as possible.
I would therefore ask everyone involved to keep the discussion as factual and respectful as it is now, and if someone expresses an opinion that may differ from their own, not to drive them up the wall straight away. - Not that we'll get another negative Trust review tomorrow
Good night!
The TP review is gone Julian and there's nothing on it like "review has been complained about" so I think he removed it himself
Olli_Eule wrote on 05.03.2024 00:00:
Very good, MrLauer is certainly not a bad person.
I also think it's always better when people get along again.
Arguing is so bad.
Nobody thinks that. But it's a shame and many were disappointed that it escalated so much because of a trivial discussion with two users and that innocent people were harmed in the aftermath. Especially because GUTS is very fair and always behaves well towards his users.
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I couldn't have put it better myself. Thank you for your contribution.
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Yes, you're absolutely right - that's exactly how it was and that's exactly what I mean. Someone new comes along, describes their concerns and if everything doesn't go their way, their nerves are on edge because the assessment that "casinos are always the bad guys" doesn't apply. But maybe it's all in the nature of things: a rather inexperienced player messes up, seeks encouragement but gets none: they're all idiots here.
It may be the same in the forum: New member, so inevitably inexperienced here, something rather "thoughtlessly undesirable" happens quickly, followed by a retaliatory response and the impression is perfect: New here and you're immediately given the brush-off.
For my part, I can't see any fundamental suspicion of newcomers here. Everyone has a fair chance and normally there is never a problem. Ms. Lauer was also welcomed several times yesterday, her initial post was liked etc....everything is normal. Later it escalated a bit. Wouldn't have been necessary, but I don't think it's exemplary "for here".
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With pleasure. I also find it disconcerting that users (especially Blubbo and you in this case) are demanding more tact, while others have shown no willingness to reflect, but have instead been rude and insulting. Regardless of whether it was nice and polite at the beginning. It just went wrong - it can happen anywhere, even in a church reading circle. Both could have given in somehow and the issue would have been over. Especially as you tried to explain in a factual and moderating manner. In hindsight, it was easy to see what really made them tick. Short fuses and a desire for revenge.
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I could even understand why they would ask me to do that, but I really did make a factual statement. I found it annoying and told the user that. I didn't ask for anything and I don't think it's fair to say that I'm playing the cherif, because that's not the case. The fact is that the posts read like a chat and that can be annoying. Some don't care, some don't. I did care here, especially because a long-time user also participated. As I already wrote, a user was admonished for this in the past. She dug up older threads at the time. BinGOLDIG only sees this as spam. I am of the opinion that it is also considered spam if a current thread is bombarded with pointless posts.
Furthermore, I feel that the user (in this case Blubbo) is being severely restricted and tried to be educated. As if he wasn't grown up enough. His tone wasn't the friendliest, Blubbo knows that himself, but to be fair you have to admit that he always writes like that. I personally don't have anything against that either, as he doesn't cross the line and never gets insulting or personal. As you wrote, we are all different. Some are more direct, some are more polite. I also demand respect because I also treat others with respect. Blubbo has behaved respectfully here too. Respectful doesn't always mean that you have to be polite. Respect can be expressed through various forms of behavior, including politeness.
In addition, the admins have not commented on the content of the private message and have not distanced themselves from this gesture. Regardless of what triggered it, such a gesture should not be tolerated. We are all indifferent users, regardless of our rank or how long we have been registered here. No one can take the liberty of introducing themselves above a user and telling them when to post or when to keep quiet.
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Thanks for your description of the incident, I didn't mean to make you feel like I was ignoring you, I was just half a foot off work earlier and because I was still following the thread on the side, I briefly lost focus on the discussion that followed.
I'll reply tomorrow at my leisure
@Saphira @frapi07 - Even though there are really many points where I agree with you in principle and can really only agree with you, there are at least some points where I have a slightly different opinion.
But as already mentioned above, I would like to take a little more time for this and write a little something about it tomorrow
And I think it's generally very good that you're all expressing your opinions and views on the current "climate" in the forum.
It's also important for us to get an overall impression of current developments.
At this point, I would also be interested to hear the opinions of other readers, possibly members who are following this thread with interest but generally prefer to abstain from such topics.
I would like to take the opportunity here, if we are already having such a discussion, to get as many impressions as possible.
I would therefore ask everyone involved to keep the discussion as factual and respectful as it is now, and if someone expresses an opinion that may differ from their own, not to drive them up the wall straight away. - Not that we'll get another negative Trust review tomorrow
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Of course I didn't know that. Then I apologize for reacting the way I did. I'll read through your reply and your points tomorrow.
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The TP review is gone Julian and there's nothing on it like "review has been complained about" so I think he removed it himself
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Very good, Mr. Lauer is certainly not a bad person.
I also think it's always better when people get along again.
Arguing is so bad.
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Nobody thinks that. But it's a shame and many were disappointed that it escalated so much because of a trivial discussion with two users and that innocent people were harmed in the aftermath. Especially because GUTS is very fair and always behaves well towards his users.
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