Random wrote on 02/05/2019 at 23:18
You don't realize yourself how you present your opinion as facts.
'' You find this or that too easy'' and that's why it is so?
I prefer to be guided by the facts.
And I can give you a tip. Why don't you question everything first. Why is something God-given for you only because your dear Marx has written it?
And here we come back to the facts.
I rather first look at with whom Marx had to do, in which circles he moved?
Then I look at what his so breathtaking ideas have led to?
Tell me a communist country in which one is allowed to speak out loud about freedom. In which it does not become a total system of domination
with oppression, murder and terror.
Do not be lulled by beautiful words.
I can understand that many believe that communism would be a utopian world and finally all the injustices would stop.
But what you will never and never understand is that exactly those who introduce a system always abuse it as a system of domination
To change anything, the power must first be given back to the people. And yes there is a power elite behind it, wars are led because of global interests.
Or how would you make sure that for example if communism would be introduced it would not be abused as it has always happened before.
Why do you not learn from history?
And no, you justify it again with the bogus arguments how well we are doing.
We are stolen from wherever and however we can. Have you ever given anyone the right to steal from you?
And again, we don't have capitalism
Cooperativism and capitalism is not something that goes hand in hand, because in a real capitalism, in a real free market economy, there would be no way to use the state because there would be equal rights for everyone
In a system in which no one is favored or disadvantaged, only a real capitalism would arise in which the market regulates everything itself, which would automatically lead to the fact that the best products prevail, the consumer benefits from it due to the actual competition, no one could grab a monopoly position, because such a position can also only be created by states.
Today prices and raw materials are artificially steered and '' regulated''.
There would still be rich people, but not so super-rich as now. There would also be no more patents and good ideas would always be further developed in which the best prevail
If there were not so many super corporations that protect their interests with the help of the state, we would be much further as mankind today.
There would be no more pharmaceutical industry that holds back medicines, because others bring more money, etc. etc.
1. Right
Exactly of it I speak the whole time. But for this we would have to finally dissolve errors.
Unfortunately, the majority of the errors are still based on, as you prove very well
2. RIGHT
Then please invest this time and then come back as an enlightened person, instead of believing everything that was drilled into you by the rulers. I mean, up to now you are a good mouthpiece for them. I have not yet seen any insight from you that is not politically absolutely correct and suitable for the majority.
Doesn't that make you think?
I am not a communist, as already said. You say it yourself: Utopia. Also according to Marx a utopia, never attainable but the desirable end result of civilization in which all live peacefully together, work for each other and share what they have. That is the utopia
First show me a communist country, there is none and never was. No country has ever been truly communist. It may be that communism doesn't work, that's not my point, I don't even want to live in communism. So you can judge the content of a book by looking at what circles the author has been in? Interesting. Capital explains very soberly the principle of the market economy. Not even in a judgmental way
It doesn't make me think, no. I deal with politics, but not intensively. I occupy myself with the things that give me pleasure. So primarily with art, culture and history. I have understood more than you might think, and I honestly don't care. I still have a Tip: Not everything that is NOT the official version is automatically true. Some things are simply the way we are told and taught. Others aren't. The trick is not to be fundamentally against or for it, but to form your own opinion on each individual fact
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Bones wrote on 02/05/2019 at 23:27
I am not a communist, as already stated. You say it yourself: Utopia. Also according to Marx a utopia, never achievable but the desirable end result of civilization where all live peacefully together, work for each other and share what they have. That is the utopia
First show me a communist country, there is none and never was. No country has ever been truly communist. It may be that communism doesn't work, that's not my point, I don't even want to live in communism. So you can judge the content of a book by looking at what circles the author has been in? Interesting. Capital explains very soberly the principle of the market economy. Not even in a judgmental way
It doesn't make me think, no. I deal with politics, but not intensively. I occupy myself with the things that give me pleasure. So primarily with art, culture and history. I have understood more than you might think, and I honestly don't care. I still have a Tip: Not everything that is NOT the official version is automatically true. Some things are simply as they are told and taught to us. Others aren't. The trick is not to be fundamentally against or for it, but to form your own opinion on each individual fact.
Yes, that's true. In the information age, you have to spend a long time checking what is true and what is not.
But when you consider that 42 billionaires own as much as 3.5 billion people, then you realize that something is very wrong.
Random wrote on 02/05/2019 at 23:35
Yes, that's true. In the information age, you have to spend a long time checking what is true and what is not.
But when you consider that 42 billionaires own as much as 3.5 billion people, then you realize that something is going hugely wrong.
Of course, some things are going wrong, I would never deny that. I am also disgusted by such things. The arable land is enough to feed humanity 3x. Theoretically, if not so much would be consumed for food for animals, from which then much less food is obtained in the form of meat. And the western world throws away enough food to feed the 650 million malnourished children in Africa. The government allows weapons to be sold to Saudi Arabia even though they are proven to be waging a war of aggression against Yemen. There are now monopolies everywhere in Germany and in the world and no one is doing anything about it, the Federal Cartel Office feels useless. I could go on forever with the shit that upsets me, the slash and burn, the refugee "crisis", the 50€ taxes that Apple pays per 1.000.000€ turnover in Germany - All things that are worse than the f**king Rothschild family. Fortunately we are all doing well. No one here belongs to the poorest 3.5 billion. Maybe we are being "robbed" and "cheated" but what are you going to do? If you think about it too long you resign anyway and I don't think that's the wrong way to a happy life considering you only live once
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Bones wrote on 02/05/2019 8:55 PM: Oh the Rothschilds and "them up there" again. That's a centuries old racist legend without very much truth to it. Reported for right wing thought.
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Oktabyte wrote on 05.02.2019 at 20:49: madness is that some people are still so stupid and burn all their money in online casinos.
The total turnover of all casinos is 15.7 billion US dollars. These casinos are all networked together. The Roth Shields are one of them.
Massive hacker attacks with "mass data interception" were launched over several weeks. The hackers captured data on "data matching" and "profit optimization".
As soon as money is deposited via Trustly or Sofort. Sees the casino "how high" the Kontostandt is and the Dispo. Is a good credit rating available... Calculates an algorithm the "first win".
With Paysafekarten this runs about the coincidence.
The money therefore always remains in the bank!
Where I can imagine that with Trustly or Sofort well. On the other hand, that would certainly violate data protection. That would certainly have to be in the terms and conditions.
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Random wrote on February 05, 2019 at 9:56 pm
Pretty much all wrong.
We don't live in capitalism
We live in cooperatism
Corporations and loobyists use the state to advance their interests
Capitalism means free market economy. This does not exist already by the fact that the state prescribes rules
Most of the time these rules are made as difficult as possible for the small citizen, while a certain size of a company can almost do as it pleases. In Brussels alone there are over 3000 lobbyists
Privatization of water and the like is only possible because the politicians allow it. We are very far away from ultra-capitalism.
Productivity has increased 6-fold since the 1950s
What does that mean? That means that we would have to work only 6 times less to earn the same as someone in the 50s.
But the opposite has happened because the Infaltion in this time has risen by 9 times and thus the purchasing power has fallen extremely.
The dollar alone has lost 98% of its value. How can this be? Because the money flows in a direction and someone must have created this system exactly in such a way. This is robbery of humanity, which would not be possible if all people were enlightened and would not wander with the politically indoctrinated worldview, which you unfortunately to a large extent also still do.
Alone that you Wikipedia as a serious source indicates how far it hacks there still with you.
And the really bad thing is that you can want all this just as little as the rest of the world. Who likes to be robbed?
I would just like to mention that we have a social market economy, which has very strong similarities with the free market economy. There are rules and regulation, but care is taken not to overdo it. A market should also today ideally regulate itself, thereby competition arises and through this progress. However, over time, among other things, less advanced methods were often used to outdo the competition, the rules were expanded further and further.
Without the rules we would have perhaps a single supermarket and there we may buy 1 liter of milk for 5.00 € because the only "competition" would be to buy from the farmer and this can put a supermarket under pressure. We see what monopoly positions or little competition can have for consequences with the German railroad. Bad equipment of the trains, bad connections, expensive fares and hardly innovation. In retail, however, you can see quite well how it works, one supplier lowers prices and the others follow suit. One supplier reduces the waiting time at the checkout, the others also build better checkout systems to keep up. In order to survive in the market, a Provider must always strive to keep up with the times, and those who do not do so lose market share (the best example is Nokia, which has stubbornly insisted that smartphones are just a fad). More than 40% market share can fizzle out that quickly).
Even companies like Microsoft have to react, they released Windows 8 and it was criticized without end - because it might be nice for tablets but cumbersome for desktop computers. They brought it out and it flopped, quickly an update was added so that the start button, etc. is there again and that could somewhat alleviate the fall of Windows. If they hadn't done it, the other vendors would have benefited greatly. Linux has been profiting in the server area for a very long time, because Microsoft was simply very lazy in this area.
In short - My post is just an addition to your post with some examples. No counter argumentation!
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We live in a social market economy, competition between companies (e.g. multiple supermarkets and discount stores) encourages progressive thinking. My post is just an addition to Random's post.
Since the thread creator is banned, I will close this thread here.
Also I am of the opinion that such a discussion here in the forum has nothing to look for
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Why is there still so much suffering, war and hunger in this world?
We agree that it would be theoretically possible to end all this
Everybody could be well, everybody could be provided for
Why does this not happen?
Who prevents it?
I mean, we elect our politicians to take care of it
Why doesn't it happen?
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I am not a communist, as already said. You say it yourself: Utopia. Also according to Marx a utopia, never attainable but the desirable end result of civilization in which all live peacefully together, work for each other and share what they have. That is the utopia
First show me a communist country, there is none and never was. No country has ever been truly communist. It may be that communism doesn't work, that's not my point, I don't even want to live in communism. So you can judge the content of a book by looking at what circles the author has been in? Interesting. Capital explains very soberly the principle of the market economy. Not even in a judgmental way
It doesn't make me think, no. I deal with politics, but not intensively. I occupy myself with the things that give me pleasure. So primarily with art, culture and history. I have understood more than you might think, and I honestly don't care. I still have a Tip: Not everything that is NOT the official version is automatically true. Some things are simply the way we are told and taught. Others aren't. The trick is not to be fundamentally against or for it, but to form your own opinion on each individual fact
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Yes, that's true. In the information age, you have to spend a long time checking what is true and what is not.
But when you consider that 42 billionaires own as much as 3.5 billion people, then you realize that something is very wrong.
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Of course, some things are going wrong, I would never deny that. I am also disgusted by such things. The arable land is enough to feed humanity 3x. Theoretically, if not so much would be consumed for food for animals, from which then much less food is obtained in the form of meat. And the western world throws away enough food to feed the 650 million malnourished children in Africa. The government allows weapons to be sold to Saudi Arabia even though they are proven to be waging a war of aggression against Yemen. There are now monopolies everywhere in Germany and in the world and no one is doing anything about it, the Federal Cartel Office feels useless. I could go on forever with the shit that upsets me, the slash and burn, the refugee "crisis", the 50€ taxes that Apple pays per 1.000.000€ turnover in Germany - All things that are worse than the f**king Rothschild family. Fortunately we are all doing well. No one here belongs to the poorest 3.5 billion. Maybe we are being "robbed" and "cheated" but what are you going to do? If you think about it too long you resign anyway and I don't think that's the wrong way to a happy life considering you only live once
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I just discovered a slot called Fire 88.
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Where I can imagine that with Trustly or Sofort well. On the other hand, that would certainly violate data protection. That would certainly have to be in the terms and conditions.
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I would just like to mention that we have a social market economy, which has very strong similarities with the free market economy. There are rules and regulation, but care is taken not to overdo it. A market should also today ideally regulate itself, thereby competition arises and through this progress. However, over time, among other things, less advanced methods were often used to outdo the competition, the rules were expanded further and further.
Without the rules we would have perhaps a single supermarket and there we may buy 1 liter of milk for 5.00 € because the only "competition" would be to buy from the farmer and this can put a supermarket under pressure. We see what monopoly positions or little competition can have for consequences with the German railroad. Bad equipment of the trains, bad connections, expensive fares and hardly innovation. In retail, however, you can see quite well how it works, one supplier lowers prices and the others follow suit. One supplier reduces the waiting time at the checkout, the others also build better checkout systems to keep up. In order to survive in the market, a Provider must always strive to keep up with the times, and those who do not do so lose market share (the best example is Nokia, which has stubbornly insisted that smartphones are just a fad). More than 40% market share can fizzle out that quickly).
Even companies like Microsoft have to react, they released Windows 8 and it was criticized without end - because it might be nice for tablets but cumbersome for desktop computers. They brought it out and it flopped, quickly an update was added so that the start button, etc. is there again and that could somewhat alleviate the fall of Windows. If they hadn't done it, the other vendors would have benefited greatly. Linux has been profiting in the server area for a very long time, because Microsoft was simply very lazy in this area.
In short - My post is just an addition to your post with some examples. No counter argumentation!
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We live in a social market economy, competition between companies (e.g. multiple supermarkets and discount stores) encourages progressive thinking. My post is just an addition to Random's post.
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Also I am of the opinion that such a discussion here in the forum has nothing to look for
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