Stromberg wrote on 01.03.2023 at 10:54 am: Unfortunately, since Corona, I feel that 2 camps have formed.
The one that is totally on government course and mainstream media course, and tending to devalue the other camp as "Schwurbler" or "Querenker".
On the other hand, those who no longer trust the mainstream media course, in the worst case no longer even read or see but still do not trust and deny the counterpart from group 1 already the competence, because he is vaccinated against Corona.
Both seem to have a certain arrogance to feel superior to the other group, which is at least to be smiled at
That the truth is very often somewhere in the middle is unfortunately overlooked by many.
At most, one makes a small Concession with a subordinate clause to convey neutrality, in order to then unpack the "but" in 100 sentences.
In the case of the Ukraine conflict, for example, often read : Of course, Russia's war is to condemn, but.... And then comes the article.
Or the other way around: Maybe the Ukrainian government also has small weaknesses, but....
I do not think that in this forum these differences can be settled.Vir allem, since little can be proven conclusively without counterargumentation. It's just not black and white in many cases. I actually see only the chance that such discussions for lack of reasons hopefully at some point again become superfluous or disappear into insignificance...
Do not forget the camp No.3 namely the people where both others smile and think to yourself just look after your own life and leave the others alone
Saphira wrote on 27.02.2023 at 21:46: I voted that political or off-topic discussions can also find a place, preferably in the chat corner. One wants to be allowed to exchange ideas, for example, if there were a zombie apocalypse or an alien invasion. Is a simple folding spade from the hardware store sufficient to counter the former and is the natural stone camouflage advertised on Amazon really suitable for being recognized by the aliens as a house wall rather than a Guinea pig?
But joking aside. The discussion culture of the last 3 years has degenerated into something unworthy of a democracy. Democracy lives on pluralism of opinion and mutual tolerance. You have to be able to put up with other opinions, no matter how nonsensical they seem to you. One should even do everything to ensure that the person whose opinion one disagrees with can express it as a matter of course. Not always easy, but that is how a healthy society functions. The unquestioned conformism that the broad masses have been living for some years now, and which they have been successively demanding even from those who have good reasons for avoiding it, is questionable in my view. But it is also comfortable, this conformism, because it prefers not to think for oneself, but to parrot content that is spread 24/7 by so-called "serious" media.
By now, everyone should have noticed that terms like "right-wing radical" and "N**i" are used in an almost inflationary manner and applied to everyone who does not agree with what the media and politics propagate as "right". Today, one is already a N**i if one speaks out for peace and wants negotiations instead of further senseless killing. What almost ridiculous dimensions this has taken on can be seen well in today's example "Petition for Peace". Two ladies, who all their lives were politically on the left, are now being accused of being right-wing extremists because they stand up for peace negotiations.
I am aware that it is currently almost impossible to discuss sensibly the issues that have led to this massive division in society. Which is why I have withdrawn from the debates. It is pointless to argue against obedient conformism. But when something like today happens and people are called upon to exclude people, to silence them because they think differently, one should be alarmed and take this as an opportunity to think about whether this behavior is not precisely what one is accusing the other of: radicalism.
Perhaps it will be possible at a later point in time to discuss controversial topics again on an equal footing
Very good Saphira. That's exactly how it is. One can only pity the conformists. Small minds with an extremely narrow horizon.
Btw: When fascism is back in society, it will put on the cloak of anti-fascism and deceive the simple-minded masses. Green is the new brown.
Greetz
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1st Mar. 2023, at 08:05 pm CET#64
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Falcon wrote on 27.02.2023 at 23:34:
In another post here you write "there are no two opinions". Yes, there are, obviously, but you would like to ban them.
I go now not at all contentwise on you, because one simply notices that you have only newspaper knowledge and therefore a discussion on eye level is hardly possible.
In the same way you only repeat the propaganda. And yes, it is nothing more than propaganda when you say: "you are only allowed to have this opinion and everyone who has a different opinion is dangerous and therefore this opinion must be banned."
I mean, are you even aware of what you are writing? It is a well-known tactic to deny any morality and justification to the other spectrum of opinion. Or even better and already often read: "that is no opinion at all". And the moral index finger is also a very clear sign for this strategy.
The same was already the case with Corona. It led to the fact that one incited people against a whole population group. And what did it turn out to be in retrospect? That exactly those people were right for the most part, about whom exactly the same was said as you are saying now. There it was also said, there are no two opinions, the "science" is "united" etc..
And now we all have the damage again.
When I said at the very beginning of the measures that this will lead to an inflation and that this will divide the society extremely, people like you said that I am spreading panic, that I am a life endangerer and other cruel stuff.
And now what the "Schwurbler" all said before has become the consensus and can already be read in the mainstream media.
Most of the time, the sensible people who are capable of differentiated thinking and to whom freedom of opinion and democracy really mean something, can then take the blame for the damage caused by the followers.
Therefore quite clearly: Each statement that one may have only one opinion, that one is to exclude other humans from the society etc. one must contradict decidedly and above all be allowed to contradict. Whoever wants to have only one opinion on a subject should please go to China. I like democracy and basic rights and I certainly don't have my mouth shut just because someone read in the newspaper that something is a very bad opinion and that you're not allowed to say that.
If you don't like other opinions, then don't read the corresponding threads, it's that simple. In your private life you can do what you want. You can only surround yourself with people who agree with you, you can dance Hulablub in your apartment every day or do a handstand. But in public you certainly don't decide who can say what and how and what opinion someone can express or not.
What a relief to read something like this. Top Statement.
I'm a very interested person politically, but I have a hard time with political topics in clearly defined forums. I know it from an animal forum. The imprint and surroundings allow Russian proximity and the owner wants NATO away and Eurasia here. There Putin's wage writers give themselves the latch in the hand. Russian propaganda until the doctor comes, belongs to it. Other political topics get too short a shrift. Focus has only just made a cut and freed itself from these contract writers, for the time being. They are everywhere. You can do it, no question, but should make sure that videos and films of Russian propaganda do not appear. There I also saw one of the worst video of my life from Buchta. Altogether it brings only actually unrest plus uncertainty. Even political papers report cautiously even with internal problems in the country. Right now everything in DE is charged, sensitive and explosive. You are certainly not doing yourselves any favors with political topics.
Greetings Katharina
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2nd Mar. 2023, at 04:41 pm CET#68
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Katharina2 wrote on 02.03.2023 at 12:07 pm: Am now politically a very interested person, but do me hard with political topics in clearly defined forums. Know it from an animal forum. The imprint and environment allows Russian proximity and the owner wants Nato away and Eurasia here. There Putin's wage writers give themselves the latch in the hand. Russian propaganda until the doctor comes, belongs to it. Other political topics get too short a shrift. Focus has only just made a cut and freed itself from these contract writers, for the time being. They are everywhere. You can do it, no question, but should make sure that videos and films of Russian propaganda do not appear. There I also saw one of the worst video of my life from Buchta. Altogether it brings only actually unrest plus uncertainty. Even political papers report cautiously even with internal problems in the country. Right now everything in DE is charged, sensitive and explosive. You are certainly not doing yourselves any favors with political topics.
Greetings Katharina
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Katharina2 has kindly given me the page via PN. I made a screenshot of the corresponding area. Somehow almost creepy, and here we are talking about a fluffy dog forum.
Do not know if such a similar area, where emotions often boil up in normal operation, would necessarily be good for a gambling forum?
Katharina2 was kind enough to give me the page via PN. Have times nen Screenshot of the appropriate range made. Somehow almost creepy, and here we speak of nem fluffy dog forum.
Do not know if such a similar area, where emotions often boil up in normal operation, would necessarily be good for a gambling forum?
What do other forums have to do with Gamblejoe? The question wasn't whether to set up a separate politics section, but whether you should be able to post about it in general, as usual. I can send you other gambling forums where gambling topics are also insulted for all they're worth. But does not do anything to the point.
So far it hasn't been a problem on Gamblejoe and it hasn't degenerated. You can see it very well in this thread. There you discuss one day long about it, everyone writes his opinion about it and already the next day the tempers are cooled down again and hardly anyone writes in the thread.
Just as I'm not interested in repeating my opinion a hundred times or generally deal too much and too much with such topics, just as little seems to interest the other users.
But: A general ban would be the completely wrong way. I don't like speech bans in general and every user here simply has to be adult enough to decide how to deal with the topic, participate in it etc.
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3rd Mar. 2023, at 12:15 pm CET#70
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Find it also a complex topic, I was so far here silent reader and now want to be a bit more active in the community, because I see gamblejoe but as the best deutscehs forum to the Casinotheme. Think of it should not deviate thematically too much...
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3rd Mar. 2023, at 09:56 pm CET#71
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Since the opinions on the subject of politics are often very different and their own opinion on the subject is also discussed very offensively I find the topic here just as in professional life not really appropriate
Brings mostly more conflicts and a factual discussion is often no longer possible after a short time
From my point of view, it will probably only bring unrest into this community, which is why I would completely ignore such a topic
I'm not here to get upset or the like
If I bring me there also still I can probably no longer meet the experts who are otherwise so responsible for driving my pulse high
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5th Mar. 2023, at 10:24 am CET#72
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It is not that members deliberately open a new thread to provoke. . A complete ban could tilt the mood even further 'if one " Soon nothing at all More may say!!!' It is getting worse:!! or something in the direction as a response gets. A new column ' where people can let off steam then, is so to speak an invitation to it. With it one has the problem however not solved but only been shifted.
A few weeks ago, a comment of mine was deleted because it was 'politically borderline _'. Okay, fair enough I thought, written as cynical sarcastic and also funny and then read as politically borderline. That's exactly how it should be That is democracy in action.
we looked at the survey results today and found that 41% of users on the GambleJoe forum are not interested in non-gambling related political topics. Another 36% of members dislike discussions about non-gambling related political topics.
For us, this makes it clear that we do not want to suppress political topics, but we agree with the majority of the community and do not want to provide a platform for political discussions that are not related to gambling.
Matthias wrote on 13.03.2023 at 18:31: Dear Community,
we looked at the survey results today and found that 41% of users on the GambleJoe forum are not interested in non-gambling related political topics. Another 36% of members dislike discussions about political topics that have nothing to do with gambling.
For us, this makes it clear that we do not want to suppress political topics, but we agree with the majority of the community and do not want to provide a platform for political discussions that are not related to gambling.
Matthias wrote on 13.03.2023 at 18:31: Dear Community,
we looked at the survey results today and found that 41% of users on the GambleJoe forum are not interested in non-gambling related political topics. Another 36% of members dislike discussions about political topics that have nothing to do with gambling.
For us, this makes it clear that we do not want to suppress political topics, but we agree with the majority of the community and do not want to provide a platform for political discussions that are not related to gambling.
Thank you for the active participation in the survey!
Best regards
Matthias
So, in principle, I personally have no problem with it, as long as you can just discuss the topics now and then in the chat corner.
But, the 41% are already very creatively interpreted. The answer option was: "I abstain because it neither interests nor bothers me".
Just as well you could add the 41% to the yes votes because these users simply don't have a problem with these topics.
So the bottom line is that there is a minority of 36% who are bothered by these issues and a majority of 64% who either want to talk about them or have no problem with them being talked about.
Anyone who also had statistics evaluation and survey evaluation in the course of study would interpret this result this way.
As I said, basically no problem with it, but if you go purely by the survey, then it's the wrong decision because it says exactly the opposite.
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Do not forget the camp No.3 namely the people where both others smile and think to yourself just look after your own life and leave the others alone
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Of course, there are also umpteen other people... But they are then mostly in such discussions not there...
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Very good Saphira. That's exactly how it is. One can only pity the conformists. Small minds with an extremely narrow horizon.
Btw: When fascism is back in society, it will put on the cloak of anti-fascism and deceive the simple-minded masses. Green is the new brown.
Greetz
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What a relief to read something like this. Top Statement.
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Katharina2 has kindly given me the page via PN. I made a screenshot of the corresponding area. Somehow almost creepy, and here we are talking about a fluffy dog forum.
Do not know if such a similar area, where emotions often boil up in normal operation, would necessarily be good for a gambling forum?
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What do other forums have to do with Gamblejoe? The question wasn't whether to set up a separate politics section, but whether you should be able to post about it in general, as usual. I can send you other gambling forums where gambling topics are also insulted for all they're worth. But does not do anything to the point.
So far it hasn't been a problem on Gamblejoe and it hasn't degenerated. You can see it very well in this thread. There you discuss one day long about it, everyone writes his opinion about it and already the next day the tempers are cooled down again and hardly anyone writes in the thread.
Just as I'm not interested in repeating my opinion a hundred times or generally deal too much and too much with such topics, just as little seems to interest the other users.
But: A general ban would be the completely wrong way. I don't like speech bans in general and every user here simply has to be adult enough to decide how to deal with the topic, participate in it etc.
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Brings mostly more conflicts and a factual discussion is often no longer possible after a short time
From my point of view, it will probably only bring unrest into this community, which is why I would completely ignore such a topic
I'm not here to get upset or the like
If I bring me there also still I can probably no longer meet the experts who are otherwise so responsible for driving my pulse high
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A few weeks ago, a comment of mine was deleted because it was 'politically borderline _'. Okay, fair enough I thought, written as cynical sarcastic and also funny and then read as politically borderline. That's exactly how it should be That is democracy in action.
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we looked at the survey results today and found that 41% of users on the GambleJoe forum are not interested in non-gambling related political topics. Another 36% of members dislike discussions about non-gambling related political topics.
For us, this makes it clear that we do not want to suppress political topics, but we agree with the majority of the community and do not want to provide a platform for political discussions that are not related to gambling.
We have adjusted the forum rules accordingly (at the end of the 1st post you will find the adjustment as a summary):
https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/regeln-und-hinweise/forenregeln/forenregeln-bitte-kurz-lesen-199/
Thank you for the active participation in the survey!
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Yes, a moderated variant in the Meckerecke/Plauderecke is in itself the best solution, because there are simply now and then political topics.
If everyone respects the other, there should be no escalation. Maybe that works from now on, otherwise you have your comment delete button.
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So, in principle, I personally have no problem with it, as long as you can just discuss the topics now and then in the chat corner.
But, the 41% are already very creatively interpreted. The answer option was: "I abstain because it neither interests nor bothers me".
Just as well you could add the 41% to the yes votes because these users simply don't have a problem with these topics.
So the bottom line is that there is a minority of 36% who are bothered by these issues and a majority of 64% who either want to talk about them or have no problem with them being talked about.
Anyone who also had statistics evaluation and survey evaluation in the course of study would interpret this result this way.
As I said, basically no problem with it, but if you go purely by the survey, then it's the wrong decision because it says exactly the opposite.
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