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Other Casino games: That's it for casinos and streamers (Page 5)

Topic created on 07th Oct. 2018 | Page: 5 of 33 | Answers: 327 | Views: 81,287
Anonym

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 09:53 pm CEST#41
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Bone wrote on 07/10/2018 at 20:47


Your lotto analogy actually makes sense here then: with 1000 tickets you obviously have more chances to hit the Jackpot than with just one ticket.

Lotto = 1000 tickets at of a draw
Slots = 1000 x 1 ticket for 1000 draws

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Anonym

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 10:11 pm CEST#42
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Daniel wrote on 07/10/2018 at 21:06: I looked at this and my opinion is that there, almost certainly, something wrong!

Alone all these stories of the streamers: "Poor student who bets all his money and gets lucky", is so cheesy. It's really awesome that so many people take this bullshit at face value.

When all the streamers were sprouting up like mushrooms I did some research too. I was offered better bonus conditions or higher Bonuses by some casinos. StarGames was the only casino at the time that offered us a fake account where we were supposed to get money to play for free. I recorded the conversation and the opening of the fake account on video - I would have to look for it.

What I also know is that Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino (is the same thing anyway), leaked winning videos to the Youtuber RisikoCasino. It was the video where RiskCasino won 5 or 6 explorers on Book of Ra or Book of Ra 6 on 5€ per spin. I made a request to Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino at that time to see if this win was real. I was assured that it was real. With a buddy in Malta, with whom I often gambled together, I later watched the video again and we noticed that the spin number (top-left) was much smaller than ours - and by much smaller I mean so much smaller that it must have been at least two years ago or more. Our conclusion was that Quasar or OVO Casino was playing winning videos of other players to the Youtuber. Quasi a watch mode only without the writing.

There is definitely faking going on in the Streamer scene but how exactly that works we don't know. It will also vary from casino to casino.

What I and the buddy also always suspected was that the streamers (if the reach is right) get winning videos fed to them by the game manufacturers to do promotional stuff for that manufacturer's games. That's my knowledge and conjecture on the matter.

What definitely needs to happen now is an intense investigation by the regulators. I would put the UK Gambling Commission in charge of this, not the MGA, which hardly gets anything done, although they should be informed as well - it can't hurt.

We should really ALL (every single one) make an inquiry to the MGA and the UK Gambling Commission, triggering an investigation into this incident. What is more important in this case is the UK Gambling Commission.



I really encourage you to do this. If your English is not good enough, then write a text in German and use Google Translate. In the end, the only important thing is that the recipients can somehow understand the message. It's best to post the original German version as well.

I will make a request to the two regulators the days and at the same time complain about unethical marketing by streamers in general. Especially when it comes to Player protection, the UK Gambling Commission is cracking down, see

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strafe-gegen-leo-vegas-von-der-uk-gambling-commission-2018/

or here

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2017/Gambling-firm-888-to-pay-over-7.8million-for-failing-vulnerable-customers.aspx

I would like to encourage you to take these important steps, you can achieve something here! I can not explain this incident and therefore I have no choice but to ask you all to invest 10-30 minutes of your time for this cause.

Word. Maybe it would be good if we collect all the necessary info in one post. So in which casinos the number was ripped off, the links to the videos, screens, the accounts of the streamers, Kotnakt to the Commission, etc.

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Anonym

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 10:15 pm CEST#43
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Channel Punch wrote on 07/10/2018 at 21:53
Lotto = 1000 tickets at of a draw
Slots = 1000 x 1 ticket in 1000 draws

Bone's statement should normally fit.
For this, an example from Roulette, which should be transferable to slots.
In roulette, one often refers to the law of large numbers, according to which all numbers appear with the same relative frequency in the long run.

However, this does not mean that you simply have to bet on a number, since it has to come at some point anyway according to the law of large numbers. The balance may come after 2500 coups, for example, or perhaps after 2 million coups.

To stay with the slot example. A Random Number Generator creates a number from 0 to 2000000.
With the number 1250000 you win the jackpot. According to the law of large numbers, the number will also occur at some point, but that can possibly be only after 3 million rounds.

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Gratler
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That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 10:46 pm CEST#44
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You have to remember that once you press Spin, the image is predetermined. This is also true in games like Reactoonz, where symbols "fall down" one by one. The symbols that fall during the round are predetermined as soon as you press the button.

There is a "pot" of thousands of different images (here apparently 1.3 million) and the PRNG determines which one you will see.
I was forced to deal a lot with random number generation during my studies, and this is how slots work

It is of course a big coincidence that both streamers pulled the same picture out of the "pot" in a short time, but the fact that both have the same symbols falling down has nothing to do with coincidence at all. They both simply had the umpteenth image out of the 1.3 million possible images

And if you consider that, it is still unlikely, but not as impossible as you might think at first

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Marqes
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That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:01 pm CEST#45
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Still, it's simply inconceivable that this would occur with two streamers online, of all things.

There are so many players...

Well, now they are fine again, it's all just a coincidence.

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Gratler
Amateur

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:07 pm CEST#46
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You just have to keep in mind that the falling symbols are not random but predetermined from the start. And if you take that into account and the fact that the streamers make 1000s of spins in this slot every day, it can of course happen that both randomly have the 1,237,855 image (of the 1.3 million possible images)
Is of course also unlikely but may well happen... I know it of course also not sure but that's my opinion on it


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Anonym

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:09 pm CEST#47
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Bone wrote on 07/10/2018 at 20:47
Yes it does, the chance is already increasing. The chance is the same with spin 1/1000 or spin 999/1000 to reach such a win, but that is always only the single spin. Of course, with 1000 single spins the chance increases even a thousand times. Let's say that the chance of a 1600x win is 0.0001%. Then the chance with 1000 spins is 0.1% because each of these spins makes the chance of 0.0001% on this win

Your lotto analogy makes sense here: With 1000 tickets you have of course more chances to win the Jackpot than with only one ticket.

This is not true.

It is true that the probability increases the more spins you do, but your calculation does not add up.
Because according to your calculation it would be so that after 1.3 million spins the probability for this picture would be 100%.

With Lotto it would be so that if one taps all possible number combinations actually to 100% the six would hit.
But that does not apply to this case.

I don't want to calculate that exactly now.

I think everyone understands what is meant

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Anonym

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:11 pm CEST#48
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Daniel wrote on 07/10/2018 at 21:06: I looked at this and my opinion is that there, almost certainly, something wrong!

Alone all these stories of the streamers: "Poor student who bets all his money and gets lucky", is so cheesy. It's really awesome that so many people take this bullshit at face value.

When all the streamers were sprouting up like mushrooms I did some research too. I was offered better bonus conditions or higher Bonuses by some casinos. StarGames was the only casino at the time that offered us a fake account where we were supposed to get money to play for free. I recorded the conversation and the opening of the fake account on video - I would have to look for it.

What I also know is that Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino (is the same thing anyway), leaked winning videos to the Youtuber RisikoCasino. It was the video where RiskCasino won 5 or 6 explorers on Book of Ra or Book of Ra 6 on 5€ per spin. I made a request to Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino at that time to see if this win was real. I was assured that it was real. With a buddy in Malta, with whom I often gambled together, I later watched the video again and we noticed that the spin number (top-left) was much smaller than ours - and by much smaller I mean so much smaller that it must have been at least two years ago or more. Our conclusion was that Quasar or OVO Casino was playing winning videos of other players to the Youtuber. Quasi a watch mode only without the writing.

There is definitely faking going on in the Streamer scene but how exactly that works we don't know. It will also vary from casino to casino.

What I and the buddy also always suspected was that the streamers (if the reach is right) get winning videos fed to them by the game manufacturers to do promotional stuff for that manufacturer's games. That's my knowledge and conjecture on the matter.

What definitely needs to happen now is an intense investigation by the regulators. I would put the UK Gambling Commission in charge of this, not the MGA, which hardly gets anything done, although they should be informed as well - it can't hurt.

We should really ALL (every single one) make an inquiry to the MGA and the UK Gambling Commission, triggering an investigation into this incident. What is more important in this case is the UK Gambling Commission.



I really encourage you to do this. If your English is not good enough, then write a text in German and use Google Translate. In the end, the only important thing is that the recipients can somehow understand the message. It's best to post the original German version as well.

I will make a request to the two regulators the days and at the same time complain about unethical marketing by streamers in general. Especially when it comes to Player protection, the UK Gambling Commission is cracking down, see

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strafe-gegen-leo-vegas-von-der-uk-gambling-commission-2018/

or here

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2017/Gambling-firm-888-to-pay-over-7.8million-for-failing-vulnerable-customers.aspx

I would like to encourage you to take these important steps, you can achieve something here! I can not explain this incident and therefore I have no choice but to ask you all to invest 10-30 minutes of your time for this cause.

The only question is, by whom is it more unethical?
The streamers are, so to speak, only using an offer that the casinos make available to them.
The main blame then lies clearly with the casinos.

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K****t

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:23 pm CEST#49
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Random wrote on 07/10/2018 at 23:09
That's not how it's true.

It is true that the probability increases the more spins you make but your calculation does not work.
Because according to your calculation it would be so that after 1.3 million spins the probability for this image would be 100%.

With Lotto it would be so that if one taps all possible number combinations actually to 100% the six would hit.
But that does not apply to this case.

I don't want to calculate that exactly now.

I think everyone understands what is meant.

Right. To take small numbers for the sake of clarity:
Let's assume that there are only 100 possible combinations in the lottery (that's nonsense, but only so that you don't have to calculate with huge numbers)
Then you would just have to tap 100 combinations and you would have the Jackpot in any case. Because there will be only this one winning possibility at the draw, one of the 100.

With the Spins/Slots, if we take there now also only times 100 possibilities, is not given that after 100 Spins this combination comes, because the coincidence generator can be also so polarized that again and again the small combinations come, in continuous loop, and the one combination only after e.g. 5.000.000 Spins.

But it is not even about the size of the win in the videos, but about the fact that the players had the exact same winning picture or the same combinations of symbols. This would be just as unlikely if it was a small win.

On the matter of whether it is impossible or just unlikely:
If Kim Jong Un is now claiming that Trump offered to marry him and bequeath all his wealth to him, and for that reason he is giving up his entire nuclear weapons program and North Korea is in the hands of the U.S., that would not be impossible either, but extremely unlikely. Nobody would believe it, it would not come that far.

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1MillBankRoll
Rookie

That's it for casinos and streamers

7th Oct. 2018, at 11:27 pm CEST#50
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This has absolutely nothing to do with coincidence ... There aren't that many streamers among all the players and the fact that these two landed the same hit borders on the immeasurable.


Don't be fooled ... this is absolutely impossible what happened again. Hopefully the responsible parties will be held accountable and the streamers if conscious action followed, state and judicially every win deprived and with the following back payments of the last wins donated to a Gambling addiction center.


Sry, this is the worst fraud ... hfftl. the responsible parties go to the ground.

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