Where to complain about German regulatory authority
18th Dec. 2020, at 12:26 pm CET#53
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Matthlign wrote on 16.12.2020 at 19:26
A hobby is supposed to be "fun" and of course many people react annoyed when it has worked for years without these "German" regulations and now you get a stick pulled over your head by father state and all under the pretext of "player protection"
Once again, we are talking about an intrusion into the private lives of many people on the part of the state
In my opinion this is not okay
If one loses constantly and then here his tear sacs would empty regularly, then I would say you are right, one should look for nevertheless another hobby
But that is simply not the case here, it is about the intervention of father state and regulations that make no sense and have little to do with Player protection
Germany has already gotten several times and in various forms, from the EU in relation to their monopolies (casinos and lottery) on the lid
In order to protect these, one had to come up with something quickly now and what does the policy then of course, it carries it out on the back of the little man
Ridiculous
P.s. this statement comes from a gambler who is well aware of certainly have some kind of "problem", because he regularly operates for years vending machines and sports betting. Not every day under duress but still regularly, which makes it more than just a hobby for me and certainly involves some sort of problem.
Hey Matthlign,
unless you just hang out at home doing puzzles or knitting, I know of almost no hobby without rules or restrictions. There are many hobbies where the law says stop, first meet the legal requirements and then you can go with your hobby
Sporadically, for example, I remember that I like to go karting, that the rules over the years (in Germany) have been tightened more and more. And whether it suits me or not - as an example, -a certain dB range may no longer be exceeded, and with my favorite motor I may a ufgrund des hohen Gefahrenpotenzials ( in Germany) also no longer on the track. I am also not allowed to let my drone soar on my private property and a few fragrant marijuana flowers, which I of course only want to plant for the purpose of my hobby as a hobby gardener, is unfortunately also prohibited in Germany.
Why this set of rules in Germany and it concerns only one/my hobby? Above all, I get along with my hobbies perfectly well and why the hell am I still restricted here?
And apart from that, there are countries around me where much of what is/was restricted in our country does not even come into play, where I can happily indulge in my hobbies, what is this crap?
And now to your and my former "hobby" so playing / gambling "-
and let's leave the German state out of it
What do you think would happen in Germany or anywhere else if there is nothing more regulated here, if the GI would have a free hand and could do what they want?
You/you have so far mainly only played abroad (online), freely according to the motto other countries other customs.
Well, in a short time in Germany may be played regularly
Is it then so reprehensible - and above all what is reprehensible about it if the German state sets up its own rules here - and is it not rather so that each country does what it wants?
On what grounds can/should we abide by the Maltese laws, possibly even the Turkish ones that prohibit it completely?
I like to dive a lot (I am a Dive Master) - my first priority is to arrange your dive so that even the most inexperienced diver does not get into trouble - and if he does - that I am immediately on the spot and can help.
It should be similar with gambling.
There are a lot of people who can't handle it, much more than those who can handle it at all - and why in God's name is the protection of such not important to many, while it should have the highest priority?
Where does such a selfish way of thinking come from and what justifies it?
It concerns also around the money klaro, but that concerns in the first instance the GI.
But also the sick or it by gambling became should not be disregarded, finally causes this "hobby" very much suffering and of it times apart (annually) costs at height of millions.
E.g. Malta does not catch our play addicts, who is to pay the bill if meanwhile zig thousand à at least 30 grand at costs here in the country have let themselves be admitted?
Is it not rather fair that one tries to contain the something (from me of you the play something spoils) - and no THE PEOPLE CAN NOT act on their own responsibility (keyword Corona).
The people is also the GI and these have probably the very least interest in the fact that the people acts reasonably, rather that is practiced nevertheless the opposite -or?
Gambling in moderation is ok, I think then it can also be fun, nevertheless I find it also somewhat appropriate, if so some here times something over plate edge - and not the whole day only in its own plate would look.
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18th Dec. 2020, at 12:33 pm CET#54
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Of course, Germany is allowed to set its own rules.
But then please apply its own rules to state products (casinos, lotteries) as well, and not just to the private sector.
This hypocritical double standard suggests that the state is not concerned with its own rules or Player protection, but that it does not want players to gamble with products from the private sector. They should spend their money on state-owned products.
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18th Dec. 2020, at 12:34 pm CET#55
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 12/18/2020 at 12:26 PM
Hey Matthlign,
unless you just hang out at home and do puzzles or knitting, I know of almost no hobby without regulations or restrictions. There are many hobbies where the law says stop/stop, first meet the legal requirements and then you can go off with your hobby
Sporadically, for example, I remember that I like to go karting, that the rules over the years (in Germany) have been tightened more and more. And whether it suits me or not - as an example, -a certain dB range may no longer be exceeded, and with my favorite motor I may a ufgrund des hohen Gefahrenpotenzials ( in Germany) also no longer on the track. I am also not allowed to let my drone soar on my private property and a few fragrant marijuana flowers, which I of course only want to plant for the purpose of my hobby as a hobby gardener, is unfortunately also prohibited in Germany.
Why this set of rules in Germany and it concerns only one/my hobby? Above all, I get along with my hobbies perfectly well and why the hell am I still restricted here?
And apart from that, there are countries around me where much of what is/was restricted in our country does not even come into play, where I can happily indulge in my hobbies, what is this crap?
And now to your and my former "hobby" so playing / gambling "-
and let's leave the German state out of it
What do you think would happen in Germany or anywhere else if there is nothing more regulated here, if the GI would have a free hand and could do what they want?
You/you have so far mainly only played abroad (online), freely according to the motto other countries other customs.
Well, in a short time in Germany may be played regularly
Is it then so reprehensible - and above all what is reprehensible about it if the German state sets up its own rules here - and is it not rather so that each country does what it wants?
On what grounds can/should we abide by the Maltese laws, possibly even the Turkish ones that prohibit it completely?
I like to dive a lot (I am a Dive Master) - my first priority is to arrange your dive so that even the most inexperienced diver does not get into trouble - and if he does - that I am immediately on the spot and can help.
It should be similar with gambling.
There are a lot of people who can't handle it, much more than those who can handle it at all - and why in God's name is the protection of such not important to many, while it should have the highest priority?
Where does such a selfish way of thinking come from and what justifies it?
It concerns also around the money klaro, but that concerns in the first instance the GI.
But also the sick or it by gambling became should not be disregarded, finally causes this "hobby" very much suffering and of it times apart (annually) costs at height of millions.
E.g. Malta does not catch our play addicts, who is to pay the bill if meanwhile zig thousand à at least 30 grand at costs here in the country have let themselves be admitted?
Is it not rather fair that one tries to contain the something (from me of you the play something spoils) - and no THE PEOPLE CAN NOT act on their own responsibility (keyword Corona).
The people is also the GI and these have probably the very least interest in the fact that the people acts reasonably, rather that is practiced nevertheless the opposite -or?
Gambling in moderation is ok, I think then it can also be fun, nevertheless I find it also somewhat appropriate, if so some here times something over plate edge - and not the whole day only in its own plate would look.
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18th Dec. 2020, at 01:35 pm CET#56
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Begbie wrote on 18.12.2020 at 12:33 pm: Germany is of course allowed to set up its own rules.
But then please apply the own rules to the state products (Spielbank, Lotto) and not only to the private sector.
This hypocritical double standard suggests that the state is not concerned with its own rules or Player protection, but that it does not want the player to play at products of the private sector. They should spend their money on state-owned products.
I think you should differentiate here a little Begbie, especially do not forget that WE are the state - not look at who where how much money
not to look at who makes how much money where, but to look at how we can best protect the weakest/weakest among us (in this case, of course, as far as gambling is concerned)
And that it does not work without a certain protection, would run completely out of control, you probably / hopefully also clear.
Of course you can always point at the "others", but while you point at others, three fingers point at you
Ichbins2018 wrote on 12/18/2020 at 1:35 pm
I think you should differentiate a bit here Begbie, especially don't forget that WE are the state -
not looking at who makes how much money where, but looking at how we best protect the weak/weakest among us (in this case of course as far as gambling is concerned)
And that it does not work without a certain protection, would run completely out of control, you probably / hopefully also clear.
You can always point at the "others" of course, but while you are pointing at others, three fingers are pointing at you
No offense, but this philosophical talk is totally devoid of content, because it doesn't change the fact that Player protection should apply in ALL areas, not just the private sector. Take a look at the stakes you can place in the casino. The stakes are beyond good and evil and then you regulate the stakes in the online game of private providers to 1 euro? Explain this discrepancy to me.
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unless you just hang out at home and do puzzles or knitting, I know of almost no hobby without regulations or restrictions. There are many hobbies where the law says stop/stop, first meet the legal requirements and then you can go off with your hobby
Sporadically, for example, I remember that I like to go karting, that the rules over the years (in Germany) have been tightened more and more. And whether it suits me or not - as an example, -a certain dB range may no longer be exceeded, and with my favorite motor I may a ufgrund des hohen Gefahrenpotenzials ( in Germany) also no longer on the track. I am also not allowed to let my drone soar on my private property and a few fragrant marijuana flowers, which I of course only want to plant for the purpose of my hobby as a hobby gardener, is unfortunately also prohibited in Germany.
Why this set of rules in Germany and it concerns only one/my hobby? Above all, I get along with my hobbies perfectly well and why the hell am I still restricted here?
And apart from that, there are countries around me where much of what is/was restricted in our country does not even come into play, where I can happily indulge in my hobbies, what is this crap?
And now to your and my former "hobby" so playing / gambling "-
and let's leave the German state out of it
What do you think would happen in Germany or anywhere else if there is nothing more regulated here, if the GI would have a free hand and could do what they want?
You/you have so far mainly only played abroad (online), freely according to the motto other countries other customs.
Well, in short, in Germany may be played regularly
Is it then so reprehensible - and above all what is reprehensible about it if the German state sets up its own rules here - and is it not rather so that each country does what it wants?
On what grounds can/should we abide by the Maltese laws, possibly even the Turkish ones that prohibit it completely?
I like to dive a lot (I am a Dive Master) - my first priority is to arrange your dive so that even the most inexperienced diver does not get into trouble - and if he does - that I am immediately on the spot and can help.
It should be similar with gambling.
There are a lot of people who can't handle it, much more than those who can handle it at all - and why in God's name is the protection of such not important to many, while it should have the highest priority?
Where does such a selfish way of thinking come from and what justifies it?
It concerns also around the money klaro, but that concerns in the first instance the GI.
But also the sick or it by gambling became should not be disregarded, finally causes this "hobby" very much suffering and of it times apart (annually) costs at height of millions.
E.g. Malta does not catch our play addicts, who is to pay the bill if meanwhile zig thousand à at least 30 grand at costs here in the country have let themselves be admitted?
Is it not rather fair that one tries to contain the something (from me of you the play something spoils) - and no THE PEOPLE CAN NOT act on their own responsibility (keyword Corona).
The people is also the GI and these have probably the very least interest in the fact that the people acts reasonably, rather that is practiced nevertheless the opposite -or?
Gambling in moderation is ok, I think then it can also be fun, nevertheless I find it also somewhat appropriate, if so some here times something over plate edge - and not the whole day only in its own plate would look.
Then we want to go first once on legislation & policy
The Maltese licenses so far are in line with EU legislation and as far as I remember we are part of the EU
The freedom to provide services is one of the fundamental freedoms of the European Single Market and thus all casinos that have a license from Malta should in principle be allowed to offer their services here
With that I have not played as you write it: "..predominantly abroad..freely after other countries other customs",
but online at a Provider, with a license from another member state of the EU and compliant with EU legislation
Furthermore, I am not saying that the gambling market should not be regulated at all, but why are the existing regulations from Malta not sufficient if they are in conformity with EU law?
Oh yes, exactly, because of the Player protection
Germany, or rather Germany's politicians, are simply so worried about the "little man" that they see a need for action
Of course, the whole thing has nothing to do with the fact that they have been warned several times by the EU regarding their monopolies in the form of state-run casinos and lotteries (among other things, in relation to the prohibition of European providers to advertise their casinos in Germany, but to advertise casinos and lotteries themselves)
So it's purely about player protection, not about protecting their monopolies, logically.
Stop. One step back
If this is about player protection, why aren't casinos and lotteries regulated equally?
Why can I gamble in a casino in one evening house & yard but may in online "gambling houses" only a maximum of 1000 € Deposit and play with a maximum stake of 1 € and why may I play in an online "gambling house" or even normal stationary gambling house, no Roulette?
Couldn't this have something to do with the casino monopoly or the fact that Germany wants to protect it?
No, that can not be or?
Times completely honestly, would it go here around the player protection, one could have different and/or individual measures meet
Wouldn't a deposit limit have been enough?
If it was really about player protection, if they had simply put the deposit limit in front of all of us, I would have said, well, in order to protect others, I'll accept this intrusion into my private life and my freedom of choice
I am very much in a position to look beyond the end of my nose and thus also in a position to realize that gambling can be very dangerous for some people and has already caused misfortune for some people and thus also for entire families
But what is happening here is nothing other than the fact that politics wants to tell us a little fairy tale about gambling protection and that is not okay
You may see the whole thing differently, maybe you just don't see the connections between the regulations and the German monopolies, maybe you don't want to see them, or maybe you think the whole thing is just silly conspiracy theories on my part
No matter what it is I respect your opinion and yet I can not understand some of your statements or some are simply fundamentally wrong
Be that as it may, you have your opinion, I have mine, we both will probably rather not go, no matter how long we were discussing it
That's ok, we do not have to but save you comments like that some here can not see beyond the edge of the plate, just because they are of a different opinion as you and or recognize that something is going wrong here
Just as comments like that some here are oh so selfish, just because they denounce that you could have regulated it differently
The only thing that is not justified here are your statements in relation to people like me who see things differently than you.
On the topics such as other hobbies that are also regulated etc. I do not go in, would not be purposeful and would drag the text here only further into the length
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18th Dec. 2020, at 07:55 pm CET#60
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The Belgians have found a good middle ground regarding the Deposit limit
By default when you register you have 500 € deposit limit per week.
But you can delete this immediately by writing to the support and deposit without limit or enter a higher / lower limit. Then needs a few days until it is active.
5 seconds rule or 1 € betting limit nonsense there is not.
The only really Mieß is that the Belgians completely ban all promotional offers.
But that will certainly still come in D.
You can assume that the regulations will be even stricter next year.
The bureaucrats need something to do.
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18th Dec. 2020, at 11:07 pm CET#61
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Krabbenburger wrote on 18.12.2020 at 19:55: The Belgians have what the Deposit limit concerns a good middle ground found
By default when you register you have 500 € deposit limit per week.
This can be deleted immediately by contacting the support and deposit without limit or a higher / lower limit can be entered. Then needs a few days until it is active.
5 seconds rule or 1 € betting limit nonsense there is not.
The only really Mieß is that the Belgians completely ban all promotional offers.
But that will certainly still come in D.
You can assume that the regulations will be even stricter next year.
The bureaucrats need something to do.
Is in the Belgian casino also only deposit with a connected Paysafekonto possible? I zocke now and then with a Provider based in America and also good European license, where I can also still deposit with a German Paysafekarte without this linked account completely anonymous.
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19th Dec. 2020, at 09:44 am CET#62
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Falko wrote on 18.12.2020 at 23:07
Is in the Belgian casino also only Deposit with a linked Paysafekonto possible ? I gamble now and then at a Provider based in America and also good European license, where I can also still deposit with a German Paysafe card without this linked account completely anonymous.
Which provider would that be? Would like to look there also gladly times.
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Hey Matthlign,
unless you just hang out at home doing puzzles or knitting, I know of almost no hobby without rules or restrictions. There are many hobbies where the law says stop, first meet the legal requirements and then you can go with your hobby
Sporadically, for example, I remember that I like to go karting, that the rules over the years (in Germany) have been tightened more and more. And whether it suits me or not - as an example, -a certain dB range may no longer be exceeded, and with my favorite motor I may a ufgrund des hohen Gefahrenpotenzials ( in Germany) also no longer on the track. I am also not allowed to let my drone soar on my private property and a few fragrant marijuana flowers, which I of course only want to plant for the purpose of my hobby as a hobby gardener, is unfortunately also prohibited in Germany.
Why this set of rules in Germany and it concerns only one/my hobby? Above all, I get along with my hobbies perfectly well and why the hell am I still restricted here?
And apart from that, there are countries around me where much of what is/was restricted in our country does not even come into play, where I can happily indulge in my hobbies, what is this crap?
And now to your and my former "hobby" so playing / gambling "-
and let's leave the German state out of it
What do you think would happen in Germany or anywhere else if there is nothing more regulated here, if the GI would have a free hand and could do what they want?
You/you have so far mainly only played abroad (online), freely according to the motto other countries other customs.
Well, in a short time in Germany may be played regularly
Is it then so reprehensible - and above all what is reprehensible about it if the German state sets up its own rules here - and is it not rather so that each country does what it wants?
On what grounds can/should we abide by the Maltese laws, possibly even the Turkish ones that prohibit it completely?
I like to dive a lot (I am a Dive Master) - my first priority is to arrange your dive so that even the most inexperienced diver does not get into trouble - and if he does - that I am immediately on the spot and can help.
It should be similar with gambling.
There are a lot of people who can't handle it, much more than those who can handle it at all - and why in God's name is the protection of such not important to many, while it should have the highest priority?
Where does such a selfish way of thinking come from and what justifies it?
It concerns also around the money klaro, but that concerns in the first instance the GI.
But also the sick or it by gambling became should not be disregarded, finally causes this "hobby" very much suffering and of it times apart (annually) costs at height of millions.
E.g. Malta does not catch our play addicts, who is to pay the bill if meanwhile zig thousand à at least 30 grand at costs here in the country have let themselves be admitted?
Is it not rather fair that one tries to contain the something (from me of you the play something spoils) - and no THE PEOPLE CAN NOT act on their own responsibility (keyword Corona).
The people is also the GI and these have probably the very least interest in the fact that the people acts reasonably, rather that is practiced nevertheless the opposite -or?
Gambling in moderation is ok, I think then it can also be fun, nevertheless I find it also somewhat appropriate, if so some here times something over plate edge - and not the whole day only in its own plate would look.
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But then please apply its own rules to state products (casinos, lotteries) as well, and not just to the private sector.
This hypocritical double standard suggests that the state is not concerned with its own rules or Player protection, but that it does not want players to gamble with products from the private sector. They should spend their money on state-owned products.
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I think you should differentiate here a little Begbie, especially do not forget that WE are the state - not look at who where how much money
not to look at who makes how much money where, but to look at how we can best protect the weakest/weakest among us (in this case, of course, as far as gambling is concerned)
And that it does not work without a certain protection, would run completely out of control, you probably / hopefully also clear.
Of course you can always point at the "others", but while you point at others, three fingers point at you
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No offense, but this philosophical talk is totally devoid of content, because it doesn't change the fact that Player protection should apply in ALL areas, not just the private sector. Take a look at the stakes you can place in the casino. The stakes are beyond good and evil and then you regulate the stakes in the online game of private providers to 1 euro? Explain this discrepancy to me.
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Then we want to go first once on legislation & policy
The Maltese licenses so far are in line with EU legislation and as far as I remember we are part of the EU
The freedom to provide services is one of the fundamental freedoms of the European Single Market and thus all casinos that have a license from Malta should in principle be allowed to offer their services here
With that I have not played as you write it: "..predominantly abroad..freely after other countries other customs",
but online at a Provider, with a license from another member state of the EU and compliant with EU legislation
Furthermore, I am not saying that the gambling market should not be regulated at all, but why are the existing regulations from Malta not sufficient if they are in conformity with EU law?
Oh yes, exactly, because of the Player protection
Germany, or rather Germany's politicians, are simply so worried about the "little man" that they see a need for action
Of course, the whole thing has nothing to do with the fact that they have been warned several times by the EU regarding their monopolies in the form of state-run casinos and lotteries (among other things, in relation to the prohibition of European providers to advertise their casinos in Germany, but to advertise casinos and lotteries themselves)
So it's purely about player protection, not about protecting their monopolies, logically.
Stop. One step back
If this is about player protection, why aren't casinos and lotteries regulated equally?
Why can I gamble in a casino in one evening house & yard but may in online "gambling houses" only a maximum of 1000 € Deposit and play with a maximum stake of 1 € and why may I play in an online "gambling house" or even normal stationary gambling house, no Roulette?
Couldn't this have something to do with the casino monopoly or the fact that Germany wants to protect it?
No, that can not be or?
Times completely honestly, would it go here around the player protection, one could have different and/or individual measures meet
Wouldn't a deposit limit have been enough?
If it was really about player protection, if they had simply put the deposit limit in front of all of us, I would have said, well, in order to protect others, I'll accept this intrusion into my private life and my freedom of choice
I am very much in a position to look beyond the end of my nose and thus also in a position to realize that gambling can be very dangerous for some people and has already caused misfortune for some people and thus also for entire families
But what is happening here is nothing other than the fact that politics wants to tell us a little fairy tale about gambling protection and that is not okay
You may see the whole thing differently, maybe you just don't see the connections between the regulations and the German monopolies, maybe you don't want to see them, or maybe you think the whole thing is just silly conspiracy theories on my part
No matter what it is I respect your opinion and yet I can not understand some of your statements or some are simply fundamentally wrong
Be that as it may, you have your opinion, I have mine, we both will probably rather not go, no matter how long we were discussing it
That's ok, we do not have to but save you comments like that some here can not see beyond the edge of the plate, just because they are of a different opinion as you and or recognize that something is going wrong here
Just as comments like that some here are oh so selfish, just because they denounce that you could have regulated it differently
The only thing that is not justified here are your statements in relation to people like me who see things differently than you.
On the topics such as other hobbies that are also regulated etc. I do not go in, would not be purposeful and would drag the text here only further into the length
Greetings
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By default when you register you have 500 € deposit limit per week.
But you can delete this immediately by writing to the support and deposit without limit or enter a higher / lower limit. Then needs a few days until it is active.
5 seconds rule or 1 € betting limit nonsense there is not.
The only really Mieß is that the Belgians completely ban all promotional offers.
But that will certainly still come in D.
You can assume that the regulations will be even stricter next year.
The bureaucrats need something to do.
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Is in the Belgian casino also only deposit with a connected Paysafekonto possible? I zocke now and then with a Provider based in America and also good European license, where I can also still deposit with a German Paysafekarte without this linked account completely anonymous.
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Which provider would that be? Would like to look there also gladly times.
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