Hi, I've been reading one or two threads here for a few weeks now about getting money back from online casino losses. I have lost about 10 thousand euros at two casinos in the last ten years. I also already have the Deposit lists. Now I wanted to hire someone to get the money back, but no site says how much % I have to pay in the end. Can anyone recommend something (based on their own experience)? I have heard that some people want 37%. Is that the best offer? Are the chances of getting the money back the same? I have also contacted one of the casinos and asked for an out of court settlement. I was told that it would be forwarded but I haven't heard from them since. Even after 2 more emails from me, there was no reply. What happens if I give the order to a law firm and this casino is now prepared to settle out of court? Do I then have to give the lawyer another 37% of the money they offer me? Has anyone ever had a similar case? Are out-of-court settlements even a thing? Thank you for your help. Kind regards
Out-of-court settlements, well, what can I tell you, they have existed and will certainly continue to exist, but they are not the rule
Many people are still waiting for their money even despite the title for enforcement and the providers know that, so you have to be very lucky if you get something this way, plus many casinos are now moving to Curacao where a 6 in the lottery is really more likely than finding someone here who will pay your money back
At most they wipe their butts with the letter from the lawyer
gamble1 wrote on 04.04.2024 at 16:00: Out-of-court settlements well, what can I tell you, they have existed and will certainly continue to exist, but they are not the rule
Many people are still waiting for their money even despite the title for enforcement and the providers know that, so you have to be very lucky if you get something this way, plus many casinos are now moving to Curacao where a 6 in the lottery is really more likely than finding someone here who will pay your money back
At most, they wipe their butts with the letter from the lawyer
Hmmm that doesn't sound good at all. Does that also apply to pokerstars and bwin? So the chances are zero? Because that doesn't sound at all like what I've read here. I just googled it and read some judgments that went in favor of the players. I would also be surprised if all those law firms were wasting their precious time chasing money that they hardly ever see. Pokerstars and bwin already have a pretty big name in germany, or do they not care?
sorry but it's really outrageous, i've been gambling online myself for 15 years. but the last thing i would do is ask for my money back. i'm addicted; something but still here of my senses and have decided to lose it myself. sorry but it's a no-go
Why is it impertinent to lose money through fraud and then try to get some of it back?
What was it like at VW with the cheating software? How many car buyers then remembered that they had only bought the car because of the low fuel consumption and not because of the color or because the car looked so cool? Everyone jumped on the class action lawsuits.
How often are there reports from the Federal Cartel Office where consumers have been cheated by price fixing in various sectors? Then the companies are fined where the consumer has paid too much for years or decades. However, the money is kept by the state and is not paid back to the defrauded parties. See also petrol prices, where it is even made public, but no politician does anything about it and you as a consumer simply have to accept it.
So if it was forbidden by law (of course the state is good if it remembers after decades that it would like to make money from it, but other people decided that), it is also okay to file a lawsuit against it.
My opinion and I don't understand the people who then moan about why you can't just accept the loss.
notAnumbR wrote on 04.04.2024 at 20:09: sorry but it's really outrageous, I've been gambling online for 15 years myself. but the last thing I would do is demand the money back. I'm addicted; something but still here of my senses and have decided to lose it myself. sorry but goes zero
The casinos cheat and cheat wherever they can and nothing, absolutely nothing, is left to chance! Everything is controlled and the player is fleeced like a Christmas goose if you're not careful. Why not get your money back if it is somehow possible?
It's not just casinos, but also sports betting. How often was there cheating through bribery, doping, etc.? It also falsified the result. Or Financial Fair Play, where points are deducted in the middle, players are banned, etc. Why don't you get your money back from the betting providers where it is clear that cheating has taken place?
But back to the topic:
Sure, you can write them an e-mail that you want your money back, and if they read it after 10 years, they might get in touch to say that it is unfortunately time-barred. I don't think you'll be taken seriously without a lawyer. If you have legal protection, they could take it on cheaply if they get involved. Otherwise, there are certainly enough "providers" on Google, but they will all agree and probably all want the same money in the end.
Only the lawyers themselves know whether they are reputable.
And of course you only read about the lawsuits they have won on the Internet. Just like casinos only advertise their wins. Nobody will tell you that you're going to lose anyway.
But you can try it and you won't give up anything except your data. And you can buy the data on the Internet anyway. So no loss except a little time.
notAnumbR wrote on 04.04.2024 at 20:09: sorry but it's really outrageous, I've been gambling online myself for 15 years. but the last thing I would do is ask for my money back. I'm addicted; something but still here in my senses and have decided to lose it myself. sorry but it's zero
It almost makes me feel guilty (not). What's so outrageous about asking for money back that you're entitled to?
notAnumbR wrote on 04.04.2024 at 20:09: sorry but it's really outrageous, I've been gambling online for 15 years myself. but the last thing I would do is demand the money back. I'm addicted; something but still my senses and have decided to lose that myself. sorry but goes zero
If you are addicted, you are not in control of your senses. And the casinos' rip-off is outrageous! Above all, it's funny that you decided to lose - I like that! I've also been playing for over 10 years and please I've complained and several casinos have refunded my losses! I will continue to sue and wait patiently.
needle34 wrote on 04.04.2024 at 22:27: I have to say that I would like my money back from Platin Casino simply because they have collected taxes and never paid them, which in my eyes is fraud.
it is.
really awesome the number.
if you did that, they'd really have their hats on - as far as the total amount is concerned, right? wouldn't that actually be really worth it and, by the way, Platin would get a slap in the face.
notAnumbR wrote on 04.04.2024 at 20:09: sorry but it's really outrageous, I've been gambling online for 15 years myself. but the last thing I would do is ask for my money back. I'm addicted; something but still here in my senses and have decided to lose it myself. sorry but it's zero
needle34 wrote on 04.04.2024 at 22:27: I have to say that I would like my money back from Platin Casino simply because they charged taxes and never paid them, which is fraud in my eyes.
That's actually the only thing I would be on board with, because that was actually fraud.
@all
With all other depositors, I was in control of my senses and I received value for my money that I knew or could estimate beforehand.
Personal responsibility is the magic word. I have a crisis when grown-up people want to make someone else responsible for their own mistakes. Are we in kindergarten? Were you forced at gunpoint? Sometimes it feels like that. A totally dependent society and as soon as a problem arises, people cry for a lawyer.
Pathetic little minds sorry m. M.
Max_Bet wrote on 06/04/2024 10:38 AM:
That's actually the only thing I'd be on board with too, because that was actually cheating.
@all
With all other depositors I was in control of my senses and I received an equivalent value for my money that I knew or could estimate beforehand.
Personal responsibility is the magic word. I have a crisis when grown-up people want to make someone else responsible for their own mistakes. Are we in kindergarten? Were you forced at gunpoint? Sometimes it feels like that. A totally dependent society and as soon as a problem arises, people cry for a lawyer.
Pathetic little minds sorry m. M.
The argument about taxes is a bit of a misnomer. When I realized that N1 Casino, for example, "taxes" every spin, I immediately stopped playing there. It's your own fault if you allow yourself to be maltreated like that.
You're right about the rest, but you'll certainly encounter a lot of resistance in this forum
The casino providers knew just as well that they did not have a valid license in Germany and offered their services anyway.
Even with the knowledge that anyone who had lost their money there might sue.
So your argument is just as valid for the providers as it is for the users.
And if you were in Debt to a Provider, they would go the same way. Debt collection and then legal action.
And the arguments don't apply to them?
I don't think many lawsuits will go through, if anyone ever gets any money back. But there's so much nonsense being sued for and politicians are making so many stupid laws, so why not just go with the flow?
Besides, these are all just our opinions and why are there always people who insult and become aggressive in a ridiculous, childish or not "in control of their senses" way? There are laws in Germany, as well as freedom of opinion. Why do you always have to attack people instead of accepting that there will always be people who don't agree with you? They are always stupid.
Just stay objective and not always personal. If someone wants to sue, they should give it a try. If someone doesn't want to sue, nobody is forcing them to. That's ok too.
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Many people are still waiting for their money even despite the title for enforcement and the providers know that, so you have to be very lucky if you get something this way, plus many casinos are now moving to Curacao where a 6 in the lottery is really more likely than finding someone here who will pay your money back
At most they wipe their butts with the letter from the lawyer
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Hmmm that doesn't sound good at all. Does that also apply to pokerstars and bwin? So the chances are zero? Because that doesn't sound at all like what I've read here. I just googled it and read some judgments that went in favor of the players. I would also be surprised if all those law firms were wasting their precious time chasing money that they hardly ever see. Pokerstars and bwin already have a pretty big name in germany, or do they not care?
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What was it like at VW with the cheating software? How many car buyers then remembered that they had only bought the car because of the low fuel consumption and not because of the color or because the car looked so cool? Everyone jumped on the class action lawsuits.
How often are there reports from the Federal Cartel Office where consumers have been cheated by price fixing in various sectors? Then the companies are fined where the consumer has paid too much for years or decades. However, the money is kept by the state and is not paid back to the defrauded parties. See also petrol prices, where it is even made public, but no politician does anything about it and you as a consumer simply have to accept it.
So if it was forbidden by law (of course the state is good if it remembers after decades that it would like to make money from it, but other people decided that), it is also okay to file a lawsuit against it.
My opinion and I don't understand the people who then moan about why you can't just accept the loss.
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The casinos cheat and cheat wherever they can and nothing, absolutely nothing, is left to chance! Everything is controlled and the player is fleeced like a Christmas goose if you're not careful. Why not get your money back if it is somehow possible?
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But back to the topic:
Sure, you can write them an e-mail that you want your money back, and if they read it after 10 years, they might get in touch to say that it is unfortunately time-barred. I don't think you'll be taken seriously without a lawyer. If you have legal protection, they could take it on cheaply if they get involved. Otherwise, there are certainly enough "providers" on Google, but they will all agree and probably all want the same money in the end.
Only the lawyers themselves know whether they are reputable.
And of course you only read about the lawsuits they have won on the Internet. Just like casinos only advertise their wins. Nobody will tell you that you're going to lose anyway.
But you can try it and you won't give up anything except your data. And you can buy the data on the Internet anyway. So no loss except a little time.
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It almost makes me feel guilty (not). What's so outrageous about asking for money back that you're entitled to?
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If you are addicted, you are not in control of your senses. And the casinos' rip-off is outrageous! Above all, it's funny that you decided to lose - I like that! I've also been playing for over 10 years and please I've complained and several casinos have refunded my losses! I will continue to sue and wait patiently.
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it is.
really awesome the number.
if you did that, they'd really have their hats on - as far as the total amount is concerned, right? wouldn't that actually be really worth it and, by the way, Platin would get a slap in the face.
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jajajaja... yawn.
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That's actually the only thing I would be on board with, because that was actually fraud.
@all
With all other depositors, I was in control of my senses and I received value for my money that I knew or could estimate beforehand.
Personal responsibility is the magic word. I have a crisis when grown-up people want to make someone else responsible for their own mistakes. Are we in kindergarten? Were you forced at gunpoint? Sometimes it feels like that. A totally dependent society and as soon as a problem arises, people cry for a lawyer.
Pathetic little minds sorry m. M.
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The argument about taxes is a bit of a misnomer. When I realized that N1 Casino, for example, "taxes" every spin, I immediately stopped playing there. It's your own fault if you allow yourself to be maltreated like that.
You're right about the rest, but you'll certainly encounter a lot of resistance in this forum
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Even with the knowledge that anyone who had lost their money there might sue.
So your argument is just as valid for the providers as it is for the users.
And if you were in Debt to a Provider, they would go the same way. Debt collection and then legal action.
And the arguments don't apply to them?
I don't think many lawsuits will go through, if anyone ever gets any money back. But there's so much nonsense being sued for and politicians are making so many stupid laws, so why not just go with the flow?
Besides, these are all just our opinions and why are there always people who insult and become aggressive in a ridiculous, childish or not "in control of their senses" way? There are laws in Germany, as well as freedom of opinion. Why do you always have to attack people instead of accepting that there will always be people who don't agree with you? They are always stupid.
Just stay objective and not always personal. If someone wants to sue, they should give it a try. If someone doesn't want to sue, nobody is forcing them to. That's ok too.
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