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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling
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cancel an illegal booking?
As long as I pay my installments on time, nothing happens.
You are right about the change in net worth.
However, if I earn enough, have 5000€ on the side, and
let back e.g. 1000€, where have then my
Wealth circumstances seriously changed?
Oh yes, a Schufaeintrag is also not possible. For this
there are in the Internet enough rechtsanwaltschaftliche estimates.
One merely books back an "illegal" deposit.
Other banks will not find out about this either.
If they do, they will be able to sue successfully.
The rejection of a loan must also be disclosed.
If the banks were to exchange information with each other, this would again be
not in compliance with the law.
It may be true that there are serious problems behind this. Probably
not with everyone, but with many.
But that would be a different topic.
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... if I had the opportunity to get my lost money back, I would definitely consider it
The question that arises with me now is whether it is as simple as it is often claimed by lawyers, because in this respect you must not forget that it is lawyers of course also only about their own economic interests.
To me in addition... therefore the next question would be, which I would harm thereby?
The bank or the casino, or vlt also both?
In my opinion, this is completely irrelevant, because neither of them is pitiful in my eyes. Did they feel sorry for me when they enriched themselves from me? Probably not
It would be possible in the today's time for a bank to protect players, by payments are not transferred, this procedure would serve besides also the own protection against illegal business transactions. Since it was said in good German "shit", you need not be surprised that the pile sooner or later now lands on your own doorstep.
I can understand your speech completely, even if it is to spread the appearance, that you philosophize broadly, that is not however so, because in the same breath you conjure unfortunately apocalyptic consequences for all citizens, if players would consider a reclaim of the money. This clearly speaks to the fact that your words represent the opinion from the point of view of a businessman, so unfortunately not neutral
Positive is that you mention that one should wait because of the ignorance, but honestly, if no one would start to Risk something, nothing would change in millions of years...
because the greed for more rules everywhere.
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That is exactly the point. A significant deterioration of the debtor's financial situation.
If you need to withdraw money that you have gambled away, your financial situation cannot be good.
Furthermore, the Risk of default is significantly increased in the case of an account holder who is addicted to gambling.
I will not give instructions or tips on how to book money back anywhere here on GambleJoe, because I myself simply cannot estimate what negative effects it can have. I also don't want to be responsible if someone has to fight with judges and lawyers in a few months and the costs are not covered by the legal protection insurance. Is it covered at all that one sues a bank for "aiding and abetting illicit gambling by providing payment services" - especially if one was the only organically executing body?
I unlike you, stand here as a platform operator before our community
You are unfortunately nothing more than 1 nickname of 3000 other members and after revealing your "valuable tips" you can delete yourself overnight and erase your identity.
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should this really be the case, then i agree with you. then you might wake sleeping
dogs!
it is clear that you do not give any instructions, nobody expected that.
but that you predict things here, which are not true, doesn't have to be, does it?
not be, right?
Incidentally, you can expect from a platform operator that he brings objective
Criticism, instead of reacting like this. I give here no tips, I put your
Statements correctly!
Quote:
You are unfortunately nothing more than a nickname of 3000 and after revealing your "valuable tips" you can delete yourself and erase your identity overnight
That says everything about you!
Yes, unfortunately I am only one of the 3000 users. The users who have made GJ great. Thereby I exclude myself of course
out, since I am an "only"!
That you write in addition still unfortunately, does not make it better!
And provocations do not help there also further.
Please remain objective, as you also demand that from me!
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It's the truth - you can delete yourself overnight, but in the future thousands more will read what you wrote/recommended here on the forum.
You have more warnings with us than any other member . You have meanwhile scared away over 10 new members with your rude, provocative manner. Julian and Christoph will be able to confirm this. Furthermore, we often discuss whether we want to continue to look at how you provoke new members.
It may be that you write a lot in the forum and often also rumpöbelst, however you have never uploaded a winning picture, never uploaded a winning video, not yet a single game rated.
Only 3 casino reviews you have given. YOU alone have certainly not made GambleJoe great. Others were clearly more diligent.
But now please back to topic.
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Points for the lottery can be scraped together.
That is of course an extraordinary achievement.
Let's leave out the PSC lottery, let's see how many then
still upload pictures here.
Thanks for the hint for the most warnings.
Strangely enough, I can discuss such topics with Matthias normally
discuss normally, only with you it usually degenerates.
whether these 10 members have really said goodbye because of me,
there are still some who have a score to settle with me
and would love to see me banned.
i would always be careful with new members.
By the way, i have never claimed to have made GJ great, i have
i even clearly distanced myself from it in the last post
Furthermore, and I say it again, I do not recommend anything, but have only
only checked your statements on the truth content, and now I am attacked
attacked by you.
Everyone here can find out for themselves how it looks with the chargeback.
there are enough tips circulating on the internet, so we are not discussing anything new here!
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Don't always believe everything you see on TV
I have contact with a well-known online casino owner (do not want to name names here) with whom I have often talked exactly about it.
The has top lawyers and has assured me again and again that they will have no problems according to the current legal situation to offer their offer in Germany.
This is covered by EU law.
Of course, it's all very opaque and that's why it's always discussed because very few people see through it and it could actually be interpreted differently in the final instance.
According to higher-level EU law, however, the casinos behave in a legally compliant manner.
To file a lawsuit on a national level, which is covered by an overriding EU law, should be quite difficult.
It may well succeed in individual cases to get the money, you just have to expect then to go through several instances, you need very good lawyers in the field and you have, before you get even a cent from the banks, times first quite a lot of costs that come to you that can go into the 5 digit sum. But then you have to deal with top lawyers who delay the process forever and thus let you bleed out financially. And then it is a matter of luck which presentation is followed, because here national law and EU law meet, etc.
I am also friends with a lawyer who specializes in gambling law and he said to me for a sum that is less than a dispute value of 30,000 it does not pay to even try.
Is already clear that a 7 minute contribution, which one has to research probably in a day together has not come across now so.
If the legal situation would be so clear German players would not be accepted and one would concentrate on other markets.
So everyone who got wet dreams now and thinks he can just get his few thousand back, should think twice if he wants to take the Risk with an unclear outcome and can spend a few thousand as initial capital to get the legal machinery running.
I remain then nevertheless rather with the personal responsibility.
Each play addict knows nevertheless exactly which happens even if he would get actually money back. Off to the state casino and just there the money then gamble away.
Solve the Gambling addiction problem, then you solve most problems in your life.
And most of all, you still hurt the casinos when you no longer pay in or just very little.
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Word!
If you really want to harm a casino:
simply does not pay in! The casinos still have their personnel costs and you yourself don't lose any money. That hurts the casinos the most
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Do you think the banks are liable? I think not! Let's assume that a direct debit is reversed, the bank would certainly not be liable for the costs incurred, but the seller/provider would have to pay for it.
I think in this case similar.
But what will be for sure is that the online casinos where account holders will now so get their coal back all block. If not even in the worst case with too high losses of the casino providers they throw Germans completely out to counteract the danger.
Thus remain then online with the Hollstein law unfortunately hardly casinos for Germany. What I personally would also find a real pity.
I have over 7 years also had so many losses that it would be worthwhile for me to run to my bank and act so. But I have also cleared exactly in these casinos the fattest wins. What has never happened to me in these Hollstein license system sheds.
So I want to win now continue to have fun and must certainly expect losses or do I want to get my money back never again be allowed to play at good providers and bore me to death?
I think that everyone must know for themselves. I only know that now because of this contribution to many German players we will all suffer.
And I do not want to feed the gambling houses kebab machines and casinos with certainty then out of frustration and boredom with my coal and in the end have nothing or far too rare success experiences.
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i have Tuesday my first consultation with the lawyer for banking law. I will claim back my gambled stakes from PayPal as well as from my bank and if necessary I will sue for it!
Gambling addiction is a recognized disease and I was not able to control my gambling behavior. Only an inpatient therapy over 16 weeks helped me to get my life back under control to some extent.
I have been "dry" for quite some time now.
I am also ready to make my vita public as a gambler for many years and to go public.
Gambling addiction is and remains a terrible and serious disease. Casinos do not live from "recreational gamblers" and those who can control their gambling. No, they live exclusively from sick gamblers like I unfortunately am. And I really hope that all this crap will finally be banned!
Gambling ruins thousands of livelihoods in Germany alone and anyone who thinks that you just have to stop or that you can control yourself is very much mistaken.
It is absolutely sick and I know what I'm talking about.
In the end I will try everything to get a part of my gambled money refunded
Should I feel sorry for the banks or other payment companies?
Please, this whole thing is being tacitly supported. Why doesn't a bank react if, for example, you make instant transfers to an online casino for several thousand euros in just one day?
I go in any case to the last instance and I can hardly imagine that the banks can use such bad publicity
Whether it takes a few months or a few years, I pull this through with legal help
Greeting,
Matzo
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