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personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?
23rd Jul. 2021, at 10:27 am CEST#1
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Prefaced: This is not about basic nagging because the situation is so bad, etc etc...
Rather, I would like to bring up an issue for discussion that I have noticed in the meantime in 4 examples, each in different games of RedTiger.
Maybe I'm just subject to a subjective perception disorder, so I'm happy to get feedback from you guys on this.
In each case after a higher win (>1000x), either in one hit or by several FS in a short period of time, the game behavior seems to change significantly. RedTiger does this very cleverly, in my opinion. There are still interesting winning pictures to be seen, but unfortunately they are just out of reach. There continue to appear many Scatters, but unfortunately always only 2x, etc. pp. So the player gets suggested that he still rides on a positive wave. De facto, however, nothing more is paid out until the previously achieved win is completely used up again. The last phase already lasts for more than 50 net game hours. I haven't noticed this so strikingly in games from other manufacturers so far.
That the information is available for personalized gameplay is, in my opinion, indisputable. The games always start at a restart in the end position of the previous game, ergo the player must be identified. Then it is basically easy to transfer further KPIs like current game frequency, current win/loss ratio etc. and provide them to an AI for game control
To make it clear again: With 30 years of experience, I am of course aware that there are setbacks after every winning phase and that, statistically speaking, every win has to be given away again in the long run. However, I have noticed certain patterns, especially with RedTiger, which I would like to put up for discussion here.
Basically I find some of RedTiger's games very interesting. Nevertheless, the above mentioned experience makes me give them a wide berth in the future, because I consider it per se incompatible with the basic rules of gambling that the player's history should have an influence on the future probability of winning
This is not the case with true random games either.
I firmly believe that the providers are fed more information (e.g. balance, last win, loss, average number of spins, spins until bonus is reached, etc.) about us than is otherwise adequately suggested.
But I don't think this is personalized for each of us, but measured against the average of all players to use the results to fine tune and develop new slots.
As so often, I can only believe in the church and
In the end, I do not know more than any of us, so it is pure speculation.
Apart from that, do you play at different casinos? If so, please check the RTP of the individual games, there are sometimes serious differences between 90 to 96%RTP. And that is clearly noticeable at Red Tiger
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23rd Jul. 2021, at 10:57 am CEST#3
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Thorin2017 wrote on 07/23/2021 at 10:44 am: I firmly believe that the providers are fed more information (e.g. balance, last win, loss, average number of spins, spins until bonus is reached, etc.) about us than is otherwise adequately suggested.
But I don't think this is personalized for each of us, but measured against the average of all players to use the results to fine tune and develop new slots.
As so often, I can only believe in the church and
In the end, I do not know more than any of us, so it is pure speculation.
Apart from that, do you play at different casinos? If so, please check the RTP of the individual games, there are sometimes serious differences between 90 to 96%RTP. And that is clearly noticeable at Red Tiger.
Thanks for the feedback.
The 4 cases I referred to were running at different providers. Every single case, however, was "sort of" located at only one OC.
I certainly paid attention to the RTPs. They remained constant at 92-93% during the observation periods (at least according to the official information)
RainerHeiner wrote on 23.07.2021 at 10:27 am: Ahead: This is not about basic nagging because the situation is so bad etc etc...
Rather, I would like to bring up an issue for discussion that I have noticed in 4 examples by now, each in different games of RedTiger.
Perhaps I am simply subject to a subjective perception disorder, so I welcome feedback from you on this.
In each case after a higher win (>1000x), either in one hit or by several FS in a short period of time, the game behavior seems to change significantly. RedTiger does this very cleverly, in my opinion. There are still interesting winning pictures to be seen, but unfortunately they are just out of reach. There continue to appear many Scatters, but unfortunately always only 2x, etc. pp. So the player gets suggested that he still rides on a positive wave. De facto, however, nothing more is paid out until the previously achieved win is completely used up again. The last phase already lasts for more than 50 net hours of play. I haven't noticed this so strikingly in games from other manufacturers so far.
That the information is available for personalized gameplay is, in my opinion, indisputable. The games always start at a restart in the end position of the previous game, ergo the player must be identified. Then it is basically easy to transfer further KPIs like current game frequency, current win/loss ratio etc. and provide them to an AI for game control
To make it clear again: With 30 years of experience, I am of course aware that there are setbacks after every winning phase and that, statistically speaking, every win has to be given away again in the long run. However, I have noticed certain patterns, especially with RedTiger, which I would like to put up for discussion here.
Basically I find some of RedTiger's games very interesting. Nevertheless, the above mentioned experience makes me give them a wide berth in the future, because I consider it per se incompatible with the basic rules of gambling that the player's history should have an influence on the future probability of winning
This is not the case with true random games either.
So I have made quite different experiences 2018 I have discovered Red Tiger and directly at the first few spins from free games of a casino on 1 € the 800 X bonus at Lucky Halloween encountered and then it was my new favorite game and I have only deposited for this game and in the course of the next weeks and months 5 times the full screen with the bikes get and also always very good Fs and Bonuses that have never really left me in the minus
My whole plus in this time I have had to owe this game was indeed at Videoslots and in no other casino it ran again rudimentary so good but may still have been just luck and bad luck
Even if a game saves the scores it is still so that all future events are random
So I have times tested for fun when in the evening nothing comes on Play an Go then I make my wifi off and play with Mobielen network and lo and behold the slots run differently clear now also no big hits but the games come back from time to time
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23rd Jul. 2021, at 11:59 am CEST#6
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gamble1 wrote on 23.07.2021 at 11:24
So I have made there quite different experiences 2018 I have discovered Red Tiger and directly at the first few spins from free games of a casino on 1 € the 800 X bonus at Lucky Halloween encountered and then it was my new favorite game and I have only deposited for this game and in the course of the next weeks and months 5 times the full screen with the bikes get and also always very good Fs and Bonuses that have never really left me in the red
My whole plus in this time I have had to owe this game was indeed at Videoslots and in no other casino it ran again rudimentary so good but may still have been just luck and bad luck
Even if a game saves the game states it is still so that all future events are random
Thank you.
Have you had any recent experiences with RedTiger? I mean 2018 was longer ago. RedTiger was still a small player and not yet part of the Evolution Group
I would like to question your last sentence in the discussion here. How sure can you be that this is not the case? Because it is technically possible.
How sure can you be, that's a good question
To be sure, one would have to have insight into the test reports of independent companies or institutions, which test the games etc.. And even then you would have to be able to understand the whole thing in the first place and also trust the testing authorities...
So you can either just trust that the pre-programmed win through the RTP is enough for the companies and casinos, or you don't trust and either stop or get screwed, at least for your perception....
If I now just look at the last half year, there are probably about 90 to 95 percent of my deposits, which I have used only for casino, very quickly just rattled down without much playing time or wins. And so it goes many, at least what I hear so here in the forum.
The probability that you won nothing after a big win or a small lucky streak is just extremely high, but also not higher than with a fresh Deposit or if you change the game. At least that's how I see it...
I could also state:, due to the last 4 times where I could not win anything at all and did not get any free spins, it did not get better afterwards. That has a system 😉
This is not only with Red Tiger so ... Your game behavior is calculated exactly by an AI ... what do you pay... how much... how often... bets ect ect so as Facebook and co do the same. Accordingly, you get wins I have in the years with many people can observe with me and in the environment. Just my opinion but you have to be blind after years of playing not to see.
And yes😁 WLAN and mobile network to change often brings what felt depending on under which IP you have played how probably... what I also noticed that people in my environment have debts win less than people with full bank account... transparent citizens are we all but long
Can it be manipulated? Yes, sure.
Is it manipulated? We don't know.
For me, logic speaks against it. The Provider and the casino don't care who wins and loses. Whether you win 10,000 EUR or 10 people win 1000 EUR is the same. So why should it be manipulated?
Wutmaennchen wrote on 07/23/2021 at 18:15: Can it be manipulated? Sure.
Is it being manipulated? We don't know.
For me, the logic speaks against it. The Provider and the casino don't care who wins and loses. Whether you win 10,000 EUR or 10 people win 1000 EUR is the same. So why should it be manipulated?
I don't think it matters that much and so that the business continues to flourish, I would pay special attention to "newcomers", for example.
Once on the hook - and you may be right - it does not matter who gets back part of the booty.
Frapantly, almost everyone who signs up for a new online casino wins, or am I completely wrong?
So what is going on online in the background, probably true, one can only speculate, but think that the possibilities are now unlimited.
However, the puppets have always been controlled from above, so all is well, well, only if you are not a puppet and can do everything with you...
personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?
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Rather, I would like to bring up an issue for discussion that I have noticed in the meantime in 4 examples, each in different games of RedTiger.
Maybe I'm just subject to a subjective perception disorder, so I'm happy to get feedback from you guys on this.
In each case after a higher win (>1000x), either in one hit or by several FS in a short period of time, the game behavior seems to change significantly. RedTiger does this very cleverly, in my opinion. There are still interesting winning pictures to be seen, but unfortunately they are just out of reach. There continue to appear many Scatters, but unfortunately always only 2x, etc. pp. So the player gets suggested that he still rides on a positive wave. De facto, however, nothing more is paid out until the previously achieved win is completely used up again. The last phase already lasts for more than 50 net game hours. I haven't noticed this so strikingly in games from other manufacturers so far.
That the information is available for personalized gameplay is, in my opinion, indisputable. The games always start at a restart in the end position of the previous game, ergo the player must be identified. Then it is basically easy to transfer further KPIs like current game frequency, current win/loss ratio etc. and provide them to an AI for game control
To make it clear again: With 30 years of experience, I am of course aware that there are setbacks after every winning phase and that, statistically speaking, every win has to be given away again in the long run. However, I have noticed certain patterns, especially with RedTiger, which I would like to put up for discussion here.
Basically I find some of RedTiger's games very interesting. Nevertheless, the above mentioned experience makes me give them a wide berth in the future, because I consider it per se incompatible with the basic rules of gambling that the player's history should have an influence on the future probability of winning
This is not the case with true random games either.
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But I don't think this is personalized for each of us, but measured against the average of all players to use the results to fine tune and develop new slots.
As so often, I can only believe in the church and
In the end, I do not know more than any of us, so it is pure speculation.
Apart from that, do you play at different casinos? If so, please check the RTP of the individual games, there are sometimes serious differences between 90 to 96%RTP. And that is clearly noticeable at Red Tiger
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Thanks for the feedback.
The 4 cases I referred to were running at different providers. Every single case, however, was "sort of" located at only one OC.
I certainly paid attention to the RTPs. They remained constant at 92-93% during the observation periods (at least according to the official information)
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So I have made quite different experiences 2018 I have discovered Red Tiger and directly at the first few spins from free games of a casino on 1 € the 800 X bonus at Lucky Halloween encountered and then it was my new favorite game and I have only deposited for this game and in the course of the next weeks and months 5 times the full screen with the bikes get and also always very good Fs and Bonuses that have never really left me in the minus
My whole plus in this time I have had to owe this game was indeed at Videoslots and in no other casino it ran again rudimentary so good but may still have been just luck and bad luck
Even if a game saves the scores it is still so that all future events are random
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Thank you.
Have you had any recent experiences with RedTiger? I mean 2018 was longer ago. RedTiger was still a small player and not yet part of the Evolution Group
I would like to question your last sentence in the discussion here. How sure can you be that this is not the case? Because it is technically possible.
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To be sure, one would have to have insight into the test reports of independent companies or institutions, which test the games etc.. And even then you would have to be able to understand the whole thing in the first place and also trust the testing authorities...
So you can either just trust that the pre-programmed win through the RTP is enough for the companies and casinos, or you don't trust and either stop or get screwed, at least for your perception....
If I now just look at the last half year, there are probably about 90 to 95 percent of my deposits, which I have used only for casino, very quickly just rattled down without much playing time or wins. And so it goes many, at least what I hear so here in the forum.
The probability that you won nothing after a big win or a small lucky streak is just extremely high, but also not higher than with a fresh Deposit or if you change the game. At least that's how I see it...
I could also state:, due to the last 4 times where I could not win anything at all and did not get any free spins, it did not get better afterwards. That has a system 😉
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And yes😁 WLAN and mobile network to change often brings what felt depending on under which IP you have played how probably... what I also noticed that people in my environment have debts win less than people with full bank account... transparent citizens are we all but long
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Is it manipulated? We don't know.
For me, logic speaks against it. The Provider and the casino don't care who wins and loses. Whether you win 10,000 EUR or 10 people win 1000 EUR is the same. So why should it be manipulated?
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I don't think it matters that much and so that the business continues to flourish, I would pay special attention to "newcomers", for example.
Once on the hook - and you may be right - it does not matter who gets back part of the booty.
Frapantly, almost everyone who signs up for a new online casino wins, or am I completely wrong?
So what is going on online in the background, probably true, one can only speculate, but think that the possibilities are now unlimited.
However, the puppets have always been controlled from above, so all is well, well, only if you are not a puppet and can do everything with you...
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