Ronny1982 wrote on 04/10/2018 at 11:55 AM
I refer there to our chat on a Sunday morning, when Hammerdammer was unlocked again after his suspension here. We both had written there by chat.The way you communicated with me, I absolutely did not like. That's why my hint, since another user has denounced that he probably something similar has happened.
I will no longer warm up the topic Hammerdammer, everything has been said. Just the hint to you that the tone makes the music. What such a thing has never happened to me with Daniel, although I had much more contact with him than with you!
I have looked through our conversation history (since the first message) together with Daniel. He also finds nothing offensive.
Also, you have not given an example here of what sentence or what exactly did not suit you on the Sunday morning in question.
You say that the tone makes the music, where did I get it wrong?
If you would clearly communicate what bothers you, it might be easier to understand your criticism.
Maybe you'll comment on it again, I'd appreciate it, because I'd like to understand and clarify this situation.
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Random wrote on 04/10/2018 at 15:04: So I don't really care if we discuss politics here or not, can do without it there.
Would have to me anyway just annoyed when I read such posts as by Kaffeelicht which are a prime example of how division of our society works and how people are so easily and quickly indoctrinated by our oh so honest media.
But Daniel has already noticed that we may not live in such a free country as one wants to make us believe.
You simply have to realize that right-wing populism and right-wing extremism have nothing to do with freedom, but, on the contrary, want to undermine democracy.
Those who hate divide. And that is not the serious media and the middle-class citizens.
And because the call for freedom of speech constantly comes from the extremes and they do not (want to) understand that agitation has nothing to do with freedom of expression, there should be no political debates.
Since you agree with this, there is no need to expand this and constantly come back with the fact that yes media and voters of the political center as well as the politicans of the center would divide.
If anything, you can blame social media for that.
We should leave that alone before we are in the middle of such a debate again.
Kaffeelicht wrote on 04.10.2018 at 15:17
You just have to realize that right-wing populism and right-wing extremism have nothing to do with freedom, but, on the contrary, want to undermine democracy.
Those who hate, divide. And that is not the serious media and the middle-class citizens.
And because the call for freedom of speech constantly comes from the extremes and they do not (want to) understand that agitation has nothing to do with freedom of expression, there should be no political debates.
Since you agree with this, there is no need to expand this and constantly come back with the fact that yes media and voters of the political center as well as the politicans of the center would divide.
If anything, you can blame social media for that.
We should leave that alone before we are in the middle of such a debate again.
Agree with you but so does Random in a way. What you should realize is that you are born into democracy, a system that already exists. Then those within our system are taught that democracy, free market, capitalism is the best system. Everything else is worse. And you believe that because you are taught it. But this is nothing else than the peasants in the Middle Ages, who gave 90% of the harvest to their lord, without doubting the justice behind it, because they were nobles from God's grace
Of course democracy and our system is better than monarchy. Probably also better than most dictatorships, though that would depend heavily on the dictator, but the best system? Coincidentally now, in many thousands of years of human history in which everything always went shitty for the lower 90%, this system should be the best?
I also get the vomit at right-wing populists, Pegida and 75% of AfD politicians. But actually these people and all of us are one big group that manages to fight among themselves, while the real enemies should be the super rich. We are pretty stupid if we get into such a hassle over 1 million refugees without understanding that we are all in the same boat, including all of these refugees
But I'm almost ashamed to become political again now, when we actually didn't want that anymore. Still just wanted to get rid of something about it, I'm sorry for that.
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Bone wrote on 04/10/2018 at 15:27
Sure democracy and our system is better than monarchy. Probably better than most dictatorships too, though that would depend heavily on the dictator, but the best system?
Already because I could write page-long treatises to it (straight also to "most"... >:O ), I do not go at all further on it
Ähmmm... somehow it is here again about politics and no longer about Online Casinos in general, as the thread was actually assigned by the creator times ...
I would ask you to please end this debate. Thank you very much!
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Kaffeelicht wrote on 04.10.2018 at 15:17
You just have to realize that right-wing populism and right-wing extremism have nothing to do with freedom, but, on the contrary, want to undermine democracy.
Those who hate, divide. And that is not the serious media and the middle-class citizens.
And because the call for freedom of speech constantly comes from the extremes and they do not (want to) understand that agitation has nothing to do with freedom of expression, there should be no political debates.
Since you agree with this, there is no need to expand this and constantly come back with the fact that yes media and voters of the political center as well as the politicans of the center would divide.
If anything, you can blame social media for that.
We should leave that alone before we are in the middle of such a debate again.
That is not the point at all. It's about the fact that you put up allegations that so simply demonstrably have not taken place. Your so-called opinion is 1:1 what the picture writes.
Just what Chemnitz concerns was lied on the part of the media that the beams bend.
Many alternative journalists have uncovered that and there was more than just a scandal, such as someone who has made the forbidden greeting and then it turned out that this is actually a left-wing journalist.
And that's what I mean. Far too many people take over the reporting of the media, believe it and think then also still that they have made themselves a well-founded picture. But have not a second alternatively informed and perhaps at least times the thought that you could form your own opinion and also researched.
Wow, I can give times a post of bone almost in all points right.
The date I must mark me red in the calendar.
And sorry, was my last statement about it.
You can write to me privately if you are really interested.
Yes, now everyone has made his opinion known and is good ...
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Random wrote on 04/10/2018 at 15:38
That's not the point at all. It's about you making claims that simply demonstrably did not happen. Your so-called opinion is 1:1 what the picture writes.
Just what Chemnitz concerns was lied on the part of the media that the beams bend.
Many alternative journalists have uncovered that and there was more than just a scandal, such as someone who has made the forbidden greeting and then it turned out that this is actually a left-wing journalist.
And that's what I mean. Far too many people take over the reporting of the media, believe it and think then also still that they have made themselves a well-founded picture. But have not a second alternatively informed and perhaps at least times the thought that you could form your own opinion and also researched.
Total humbug. I no longer comment on this.
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Daniel wrote on 04/10/2018 at 15:39: Yes, now everyone has made their opinion known and good is ...
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I have looked through our conversation history (since the first message) together with Daniel. He also finds nothing offensive.
Also, you have not given an example here of what sentence or what exactly did not suit you on the Sunday morning in question.
You say that the tone makes the music, where did I get it wrong?
If you would clearly communicate what bothers you, it might be easier to understand your criticism.
Maybe you'll comment on it again, I'd appreciate it, because I'd like to understand and clarify this situation.
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You simply have to realize that right-wing populism and right-wing extremism have nothing to do with freedom, but, on the contrary, want to undermine democracy.
Those who hate divide. And that is not the serious media and the middle-class citizens.
And because the call for freedom of speech constantly comes from the extremes and they do not (want to) understand that agitation has nothing to do with freedom of expression, there should be no political debates.
Since you agree with this, there is no need to expand this and constantly come back with the fact that yes media and voters of the political center as well as the politicans of the center would divide.
If anything, you can blame social media for that.
We should leave that alone before we are in the middle of such a debate again.
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Agree with you but so does Random in a way. What you should realize is that you are born into democracy, a system that already exists. Then those within our system are taught that democracy, free market, capitalism is the best system. Everything else is worse. And you believe that because you are taught it. But this is nothing else than the peasants in the Middle Ages, who gave 90% of the harvest to their lord, without doubting the justice behind it, because they were nobles from God's grace
Of course democracy and our system is better than monarchy. Probably also better than most dictatorships, though that would depend heavily on the dictator, but the best system? Coincidentally now, in many thousands of years of human history in which everything always went shitty for the lower 90%, this system should be the best?
I also get the vomit at right-wing populists, Pegida and 75% of AfD politicians. But actually these people and all of us are one big group that manages to fight among themselves, while the real enemies should be the super rich. We are pretty stupid if we get into such a hassle over 1 million refugees without understanding that we are all in the same boat, including all of these refugees
But I'm almost ashamed to become political again now, when we actually didn't want that anymore. Still just wanted to get rid of something about it, I'm sorry for that.
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Already because I could write page-long treatises to it (straight also to "most"... >:O ), I do not go at all further on it
In the matter of Pegida & Co we are in agreement.
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That is not the point at all. It's about the fact that you put up allegations that so simply demonstrably have not taken place. Your so-called opinion is 1:1 what the picture writes.
Just what Chemnitz concerns was lied on the part of the media that the beams bend.
Many alternative journalists have uncovered that and there was more than just a scandal, such as someone who has made the forbidden greeting and then it turned out that this is actually a left-wing journalist.
And that's what I mean. Far too many people take over the reporting of the media, believe it and think then also still that they have made themselves a well-founded picture. But have not a second alternatively informed and perhaps at least times the thought that you could form your own opinion and also researched.
Wow, I can give times a post of bone almost in all points right.
The date I must mark me red in the calendar.
And sorry, was my last statement about it.
You can write to me privately if you are really interested.
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Total humbug. I no longer comment on this.
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Seen too late. But is through for me anyway.
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