[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
24th Jan. 2020, at 07:38 pm CET#174
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@Falko
Good answer from therefore: Puh, hard, because I just do not have the time alone everywhere at the same time to be is already exhausting.
@Nik89
You I have no problem to discuss but always the same Leier runterrattern is pretty exhausting in the long run if then this all just as "gibberish" abtun this is also not the bringer. See a post above me. Allegedly no interest, etc. but continues...
Tell me but please what I have always "messed up" everything in your opinion?
Is just hard here in such a forum, where all do or have done the same, and consciously, to fight against the "familiar"
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
24th Jan. 2020, at 09:52 pm CET#175
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Train compartment wrote on 01/24/2020 at 21:52
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Nice that you sign up for a contentless insult, and again the same <wurde schon erklärt>or mutatis mutandis <steht bereits irgendwo lest halt mal>. So you can also completely without explanation and argumentation feel like a real man of honor oh man.
I'm sorry that I can not read these permanent insinuations, moral readings, etc. more. One makes others smaller and represents the own action as only meaningful and/or correct. But everyone has a different idea of right or wrong and not everyone has to approve. Just because someone does not like something does not mean that this <zu dumm ist>, there are many people in this world and all with their own opinions</zu>. <zu dumm ist>
If one does not want to hear the other opinions then one should not write that publicly in the forum, almost only positive one could have expected in other forums where dropouts gather. But here where all actively just want to play without any problems, it just does not go down well.</zu></steht></wurde>
[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
25th Jan. 2020, at 09:42 am CET#177
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Kleinkariert wrote on 24.01.2020 at 23:35
At the same time everyone has a different idea of right or wrong...
The own conceptions are irrelevant however because what counts finally is the law, to which itself, in addition, everyone, to hold has. We know here, in this forum, all too well that OC is prohibited as well as the participation but all ignore this consciously
I am not a fan of insults and hostility because it only stirs up bad blood and ultimately only brings unrest.
So please stay nice to each other
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
25th Jan. 2020, at 01:19 pm CET#178
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Alright folks,
the situation is as follows, the player or gambler has authorized a payment via PayPal and given it in the order. We are all legally competent and over 18 and therefore fully responsible.
You can not simply transfer money and then put down, oh now I want but the money back again, because I unfortunately lost in the casino. If you know that gambling on the Internet is prohibited under German law, you also know that you are doing something wrong and moving in a legal gray area.
About the same would be if one builds a house and the first construction phase should pay eg the floor plate and a large part of the basement of let's say 100,000 euros. Now I have transferred the money and the craftsmen have done hard work. After 4 weeks I get me then by chargeback the money again and the craftsmen and the construction company threatens to go bankrupt.
Nevertheless, I want to help such people who want to try chargeback. Save your hard-earned money and join a class action. However this costs indirectly also money. Somehow logically no lawyer works for free, it is 35 percent of the claimed sum deducted, which the law firm calculates
Here is the address in Internet to which you can turn. The law firm is supposed to have already had successes and it is certainly cheaper than hiring an expensive lawyer and paying expensive fees. These 35 percent are calculated only in case of success otherwise you pay nothing. But the law firm reserves the right to refuse cases.
https://wirholendeingeld.de
wish you good luck and please keep us up to date on how the matter turns out and whether you got coal back. thank you.
[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
25th Jan. 2020, at 01:47 pm CET#179
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Nevertheless, I want to help such people who want to try chargeback.
If you really want to do that, then please, really now, refrain from making meaningless theses or assertions and insinuations, because you help no one. You can not all the over 18 years are simply lumped together. It may apply to many but there were and still are those who know nothing about how it behaves with OC. You seem to forget about them.
When I already look at the word "class action"....and you should join yet...
If you would really deal with the topic, then you know that there is no class action in Germany; if there is, then there is a model declaratory action
The requirements for a model declaratory action:
One of the prerequisites is the registration in the list of qualified entities according to § 4 para. 2 UKlaG or the list of the European Commission according to Article 4 of Directive 2009/22/EC[sup][20][/sup] (cf. § 606 para. 1 sentence 2 no. 2 ZPO). This registration must have existed for at least four years. In addition, special requirements must be met with regard to the membership structure - it is necessary that the association has at least 350 natural persons or more than ten associations active in the same field of activity as members (cf. Section 606 (1) sentence 2 no. 1 ZPO). Furthermore, the association must, in the performance of its statutory duties, safeguard consumer interests largely through non-commercial informative or advisory activities. Finally, the association may not obtain more than 5 percent of its financial resources through contributions from companies
For consumer centers and other consumer associations that are predominantly funded with public funds, it is irrefutably presumed that they meet the requirements for standing (cf. Section 606 (1) sentence 4 ZPO).
[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
25th Jan. 2020, at 02:03 pm CET#180
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You denounce only the players who are unconsciously or consciously got into it; which is a dubious morality because only by the OC and their payment service providers all know how the legal situation is and this literally shamelessly, only because of the profit, exploit you issue a carte blanche with your views!
... and that is already sad enough...law is law and everyone has to abide by it!
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
25th Jan. 2020, at 03:21 pm CET#181
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@ CharlyQ
"Approximately the same would be if one builds a house and the first construction phase is to pay e.g. the base plate and a large part of the cellar of let's say 100,000 euro. Now I have transferred the money and the craftsmen have done hard work. After 4 weeks I get me then by Chargeback the money again and the craftsmen and the construction company threatens to go bankrupt."
No simply wrong!
it would be about the same if the craftsmen had installed illegal things and cheated the customer.
[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player
26th Jan. 2020, at 12:56 pm CET#182
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Quckie wrote on 25.01.2020 at 15:21: @ CharlyQ
it would be about the same if the craftsmen had installed Illegal stuff and screwed the customer.
And I bet then you want your money back too
Probably more like this:
The building authority has issued a ban years ago because there may not be "Unterkellert". You go's to a company for basement and they just start, although they know exactly that years ago a ban was pronounced because of e.g. stability not given.
But the construction company doesn't care, they don't tell you about the ban and start to build your cellar and you pay for it until you get hold of the ban by chance. And the rest we know
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Good answer from therefore: Puh, hard, because I just do not have the time alone everywhere at the same time to be is already exhausting.
@Nik89
You I have no problem to discuss but always the same Leier runterrattern is pretty exhausting in the long run if then this all just as "gibberish" abtun this is also not the bringer. See a post above me. Allegedly no interest, etc. but continues...
Tell me but please what I have always "messed up" everything in your opinion?
Is just hard here in such a forum, where all do or have done the same, and consciously, to fight against the "familiar"
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Nice that you sign up for a contentless insult, and again the same <wurde schon erklärt>or mutatis mutandis <steht bereits irgendwo lest halt mal>. So you can also completely without explanation and argumentation feel like a real man of honor oh man.
I'm sorry that I can not read these permanent insinuations, moral readings, etc. more. One makes others smaller and represents the own action as only meaningful and/or correct. But everyone has a different idea of right or wrong and not everyone has to approve. Just because someone does not like something does not mean that this <zu dumm ist>, there are many people in this world and all with their own opinions</zu>. <zu dumm ist>
If one does not want to hear the other opinions then one should not write that publicly in the forum, almost only positive one could have expected in other forums where dropouts gather. But here where all actively just want to play without any problems, it just does not go down well.</zu></steht></wurde>
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The own conceptions are irrelevant however because what counts finally is the law, to which itself, in addition, everyone, to hold has. We know here, in this forum, all too well that OC is prohibited as well as the participation but all ignore this consciously
I am not a fan of insults and hostility because it only stirs up bad blood and ultimately only brings unrest.
So please stay nice to each other
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Alright folks,
the situation is as follows, the player or gambler has authorized a payment via PayPal and given it in the order. We are all legally competent and over 18 and therefore fully responsible.
You can not simply transfer money and then put down, oh now I want but the money back again, because I unfortunately lost in the casino. If you know that gambling on the Internet is prohibited under German law, you also know that you are doing something wrong and moving in a legal gray area.
About the same would be if one builds a house and the first construction phase should pay eg the floor plate and a large part of the basement of let's say 100,000 euros. Now I have transferred the money and the craftsmen have done hard work. After 4 weeks I get me then by chargeback the money again and the craftsmen and the construction company threatens to go bankrupt.
Nevertheless, I want to help such people who want to try chargeback. Save your hard-earned money and join a class action. However this costs indirectly also money. Somehow logically no lawyer works for free, it is 35 percent of the claimed sum deducted, which the law firm calculates
Here is the address in Internet to which you can turn. The law firm is supposed to have already had successes and it is certainly cheaper than hiring an expensive lawyer and paying expensive fees. These 35 percent are calculated only in case of success otherwise you pay nothing. But the law firm reserves the right to refuse cases.
https://wirholendeingeld.de
wish you good luck and please keep us up to date on how the matter turns out and whether you got coal back. thank you.
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If you really want to do that, then please, really now, refrain from making meaningless theses or assertions and insinuations, because you help no one. You can not all the over 18 years are simply lumped together. It may apply to many but there were and still are those who know nothing about how it behaves with OC. You seem to forget about them.
When I already look at the word "class action"....and you should join yet...
If you would really deal with the topic, then you know that there is no class action in Germany; if there is, then there is a model declaratory action
The requirements for a model declaratory action:
Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musterfeststellungsklage
As long as WHDG does not exist
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... and that is already sad enough...law is law and everyone has to abide by it!
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"Approximately the same would be if one builds a house and the first construction phase is to pay e.g. the base plate and a large part of the cellar of let's say 100,000 euro. Now I have transferred the money and the craftsmen have done hard work. After 4 weeks I get me then by Chargeback the money again and the craftsmen and the construction company threatens to go bankrupt."
No simply wrong!
it would be about the same if the craftsmen had installed illegal things and cheated the customer.
And I bet then you want your money back
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Probably more like this:
The building authority has issued a ban years ago because there may not be "Unterkellert". You go's to a company for basement and they just start, although they know exactly that years ago a ban was pronounced because of e.g. stability not given.
But the construction company doesn't care, they don't tell you about the ban and start to build your cellar and you pay for it until you get hold of the ban by chance. And the rest we know
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