Tigerbaby2004 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 10:46 am: The topic of my post is actually why the tax (via the detour of lower RTP) is also applied by the casino to free spins and Bonus money and whether this is correct. Löwenplay apparently does it differently. The RTPs are much higher there.
The thing is, the casinos can offer whatever RTP they want (I think 80 percent is the lower limit if you also have an mga license).
Even if this tax no longer existed in Germany, they could continue to offer this low RTP.
So this has nothing to do with cheating players in the legal sense.
Like Löwenplay, you could of course opt for the tax per spin and thus offer a better solution, as two versions of each game with different rtp for normal play and bonus play are probably not worthwhile. You're right...
Stromberg wrote on 21.11.2023 at 11:49 am:
The thing is, the game libraries can offer whatever they want at rtp (I think 80 percent is the lower limit if you also have an mga license).
Even if this tax no longer existed in Germany, they could continue to offer this low rtp.
So this has nothing to do with cheating players in the legal sense.
Like Löwenplay, you could of course opt for the tax per spin and thus offer a better solution, as two versions of each game with different rtp for normal play and bonus play are probably not worthwhile. You're right...
The RTP has to be displayed. And if one casino offers 80% and the other 88%, the choice is not difficult. As I said, if the casino collects the money for the tax via a lower RTP, this automatically also applies to Bonus money and free spins and the money wagered from these until the bonus conditions are met. This would not be the case if the casino only deducted the tax from real money wagers. They will certainly be smart enough to know that no tax has to be paid on bonus money and free spins. But they behave towards the player as if this were the case. That's the shame....
The RTP has to be displayed. And if one casino offers 80% and the other 88%, the choice is not difficult. As I said, if the casino collects the money for the tax via a lower RTP, this automatically also affects Bonus money and free spins and the money wagered from them until the bonus conditions are met. This would not be the case if the casino only deducted the tax from real money wagers. They will certainly be smart enough to know that no tax has to be paid on bonus money and free spins. But they behave towards the player as if this were the case. That's the shame....
Yes, I understand what you mean... But on the one hand, Bonuses are voluntary offers from the casino anyway and on the other hand, as I said, they can handle the rtp as they want without any justification, within the framework of the guidelines. So it would be nice to handle bonuses differently, yes. But that's not the (main) problem in my eyes
All the casinos have changed the system with the introduction of the tax, very rarely where you can play the whole evening with an up and down.
Either your money is eaten up in a short time or you get a good hit.
But a good hit in the German casinos is history, in the Spillos you can play longer with your money.
The online market in Germany is more than boring and DEAD.
Here the laws would have to be changed that with the 1000 euros they can leave for the Player protection so the players are protected, who can prove that he can afford more then please why not.
But how I gamble the 1000 euros, whether with 5 euros autostart in 30 minutes or with 50 cents in 2 days, should again be left to the player.
Because if I only ever play on 1 euro to get some action in there, I wouldn't want to press 40 or 50 cents every 5 seconds, so I'm currently spending more money than if the rules weren't in place.
One question, casinos don't pay this tax either, so why Online Casinos? and since some casinos are privatized, they should be taxed there too
Or am I seeing it wrong?
And if you look at the USA, how the devices work there and what the AQ is there
You can see the trend where it's going
These Jackpot slots where you have to get 6 symbols are getting more and more and you can really see that at novomatic all the new slots are such junk slots
We've been spoiled here and those days are long gone
Are they all getting greedy
You can also see the tax fraud from tipster, they can't get their mouths full.
The only thing that will change for German casinos is if the law is amended. If we're lucky, that will happen in 2025. The gambling lobby is already rebelling mightily... until then, the only option is to stop or go to Curacao
Peter8 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 18:52: One question, casinos don't pay this tax either, so why Online Casinos? and since some casinos are privatized, they should also be billed there
Or am I seeing it wrong?
And if you look at the USA, how the devices work there and what the AQ is there
You can see the trend where it's going
These Jackpot slots where you have to get 6 symbols are getting more and more and you can really see that at novomatic all the new slots are such junk slots
We've been spoiled here and those days are long gone
Are they all getting greedy
You can also see the tax fraud from tipster, they can't get their mouths full.
@GJ an article on the subject who cool
because gauselmann has bought the ailing and for years loss-making casinos from the state and the politician who is responsible for this comes from the SPD (party of the little people) from lower saxony with the shingles don't get the name the two homis came up with the shit because all the important workers in the casinos are threatened by unemployment due to competition from the online casinos.
Peter8 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 18:52: One question, casinos don't pay this tax either, so why Online Casinos? and since some casinos are privatized, they should also be billed there
Or am I seeing it wrong?
And if you look at the USA, how the devices work there and what the AQ is there
You can see the trend where it's going
These Jackpot slots where you have to get 6 symbols are getting more and more and you can really see that at novomatic all the new slots are such junk slots
We've been spoiled here and those days are long gone
Are they all getting greedy
You can also see the tax fraud from tipster, they can't get their mouths full.
@GJ an article on the subject who cool
Of course they pay taxes too. It's just packaged differently there
And casinos pay sales tax to the federal government on every Deposit and also pay amusement tax to the municipality. In any case, there's not much left over for the player in the end.
evopower140 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 15:01: All the casinos have changed the system with the introduction of the tax very rarely where you can play the whole evening with an up and down.
Either your money is eaten up in a short time or you get a good hit.
But a good hit in the German casinos is history, in the Spillos you can play longer with your money.
The online market in Germany is more than boring and DEAD.
Here the laws would have to be changed that with the 1000 euros they can leave for the Player protection so the players are protected, who can prove that he can afford more then please why not.
But how I gamble the 1000 euros, whether with 5 euros autostart in 30 minutes or with 50 cents in 2 days, should again be left to the player.
Because if I only ever play on 1 euro to get some action in there, I wouldn't want to press 40 or 50 cents every 5 seconds, so I'm currently spending more money than if the rules weren't in place.
Won't happen because they say "fast play is addictive" Whether you still have a chance to play after your 1k loss doesn't matter of course, although wait a minute there are still the casinos and halls where, strangely enough, you don't need a 1k limit to protect players because the staff pay so much attention to it so that you don't lose a lot of money NOT !!!
You finance the whole bloated - expensive civil service and administrative apparatus of the GGL with your gambling tax.
Stop complaining and come up with something else. Because nothing is easier than spending your hard-earned money.
Almoehi wrote on 28.11.2023 at 00:09: You finance the whole bloated - expensive civil service and administrative apparatus GGL with your gambler's tax.
Don't moan and come up with something else. Because nothing is easier than spending your hard-earned money.
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The thing is, the casinos can offer whatever RTP they want (I think 80 percent is the lower limit if you also have an mga license).
Even if this tax no longer existed in Germany, they could continue to offer this low RTP.
So this has nothing to do with cheating players in the legal sense.
Like Löwenplay, you could of course opt for the tax per spin and thus offer a better solution, as two versions of each game with different rtp for normal play and bonus play are probably not worthwhile. You're right...
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The RTP has to be displayed. And if one casino offers 80% and the other 88%, the choice is not difficult. As I said, if the casino collects the money for the tax via a lower RTP, this automatically also applies to Bonus money and free spins and the money wagered from these until the bonus conditions are met. This would not be the case if the casino only deducted the tax from real money wagers. They will certainly be smart enough to know that no tax has to be paid on bonus money and free spins. But they behave towards the player as if this were the case. That's the shame....
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Yes, I understand what you mean... But on the one hand, Bonuses are voluntary offers from the casino anyway and on the other hand, as I said, they can handle the rtp as they want without any justification, within the framework of the guidelines. So it would be nice to handle bonuses differently, yes. But that's not the (main) problem in my eyes
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It doesn't work any better or differently at Löwen Play. You can save yourself the effort.
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Either your money is eaten up in a short time or you get a good hit.
But a good hit in the German casinos is history, in the Spillos you can play longer with your money.
The online market in Germany is more than boring and DEAD.
Here the laws would have to be changed that with the 1000 euros they can leave for the Player protection so the players are protected, who can prove that he can afford more then please why not.
But how I gamble the 1000 euros, whether with 5 euros autostart in 30 minutes or with 50 cents in 2 days, should again be left to the player.
Because if I only ever play on 1 euro to get some action in there, I wouldn't want to press 40 or 50 cents every 5 seconds, so I'm currently spending more money than if the rules weren't in place.
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Or am I seeing it wrong?
And if you look at the USA, how the devices work there and what the AQ is there
You can see the trend where it's going
These Jackpot slots where you have to get 6 symbols are getting more and more and you can really see that at novomatic all the new slots are such junk slots
We've been spoiled here and those days are long gone
Are they all getting greedy
You can also see the tax fraud from tipster, they can't get their mouths full.
@GJ an article on the subject who cool
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because gauselmann has bought the ailing and for years loss-making casinos from the state and the politician who is responsible for this comes from the SPD (party of the little people) from lower saxony with the shingles don't get the name the two homis came up with the shit because all the important workers in the casinos are threatened by unemployment due to competition from the online casinos.
addiction prevention that's how you can sell it
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Of course they pay taxes too. It's just packaged differently there
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It's called a casino tax and varies from state to state, but on average it's around 30% of the win.
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I say yes, just packaged differently 😅
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And casinos pay sales tax to the federal government on every Deposit and also pay amusement tax to the municipality. In any case, there's not much left over for the player in the end.
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Won't happen because they say "fast play is addictive" Whether you still have a chance to play after your 1k loss doesn't matter of course, although wait a minute there are still the casinos and halls where, strangely enough, you don't need a 1k limit to protect players because the staff pay so much attention to it so that you don't lose a lot of money NOT !!!
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Stop complaining and come up with something else. Because nothing is easier than spending your hard-earned money.
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are you aware that every piece of crap is taxed?
and who gets the tax revenue?
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