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Online Casinos in general: Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

Topic created on 20th Nov. 2023 | Page: 1 of 4 | Answers: 55 | Views: 4,309
Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 02:34 pm CET#1
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With the justification of having to pay 5.3% gaming tax, the RTP in all German casinos was reduced by at least this percentage. Often even significantly more.

However, this low RTP is also applied to free spins, Bonus money and Cashback, even though the 5.3% tax is not due here.

Conclusion: It would be fairer to leave the original RTP of 95/96% and deduct the 5.3% directly from the bet. For €10 real money, €10.53 would then be deducted from the player account, but the higher RTP could be retained.

I think the current regulation is unfair.
Winning is hardly possible with the current RTP of 87-91%.

What do you think?

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Stromberg
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 02:43 pm CET#2
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Tigerbaby2004 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 14:34: With the justification of having to pay 5.3% gaming tax, the RTP in all German casinos was reduced by at least this percentage. Often even significantly more.

However, this low RTP is also applied to free spins, Bonus money and Cashback, although the 5.3% tax is not even due here.

Conclusion: It would be fairer to leave the original RTP of 95/96% and deduct the 5.3% directly from the bet. For €10 real money, €10.53 would then be deducted from the player account, but the higher RTP could be retained.

I think the current regulation is unfair.
Winning is hardly possible with the current RTP of 87-91%.

What do you think?


I would find the solution with the tax on every spin but higher rtp also better and fairer. You wouldn't have to play such modified versions.

And yes, you can hardly win. That's why I don't care if the low rtp is also applied to bonus money, it just doesn't make the cabbage any more fat... 😂

(btw the first casinos with some providers are already at 84/85 %)

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gamble1
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 02:53 pm CET#3
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Why does such a tax have to exist at all?

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bigbig
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 02:54 pm CET#4
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Just don't play anymore, just do it for 1 week and they will change it very quickly if there is no income

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 03:11 pm CET#5
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gamble1 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 14:53: Why does there have to be such a tax at all?

That's a different topic. My point is that the casinos don't handle it correctly.

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Max-Power
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 03:11 pm CET#6
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Tigerbaby2004 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 14:34: Conclusion: It would be fairer to leave the original RTP of 95/96% and deduct the 5.3% directly from the bet. For €10 real money, €10.53 would then be deducted from the player account, but the higher RTP could be retained.

Isn't this partly the case at Loewen-Play.de?
On this site, at least Gamomat and Pragmatic Slots are listed with an RTP of over 94%:

https://www.loewen-play.de/unsere-spiele

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 03:39 pm CET#7
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Max-Power wrote on 20.11.2023 at 15:11:
Isn't that partly how it's regulated at Loewen-Play.de?
On this site at least Gamomat and Pragmatic Slots are listed with an RTP of over 94%:

https://www.loewen-play.de/unsere-spiele

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I don't know because I don't play there. It's fairer anyway.

Jackpotpiraten, BingBong, Novoline, DrückGlück, StarGames, Tipico, AdmiralBet, Betano, SlotMagie and a few others do it the way I described it.

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 03:45 pm CET#8
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It should also be added that the tax is not due as long as you play with the win from the Cashback, free spins or Deposit bonus and the bonus conditions have not yet been met. It only becomes due again for real money once the bonus conditions have been met.

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Andre
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 03:58 pm CET#9
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Online casinos now have to pay tax on every spin, regardless of whether the player wins or loses with the spin. This was different back then and has enormous economic consequences for online casinos. I'm not trying to defend them, but the whole system can't work like this and it's always the user who suffers in the end.

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 04:12 pm CET#10
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Andre wrote on 20.11.2023 at 15:58: Online casinos now have to pay tax on every spin, regardless of whether the player wins or loses with the spin. That was different back then and has enormous economic consequences for online casinos. I don't want to defend them, but the whole system can't work like this and the user is always the one who suffers in the end.

Of course, the tax has to be paid on every spin with real money. I'm not disputing that.

But it doesn't have to be deducted from games with Bonus money, cashbacks and free spins.
But they do anyway.

They finance the tax via the RTP by pocketing more win with the lower RTP.
It is often even significantly more than 5.3 lower than in the original game.

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Kapykapy
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 05:38 pm CET#11
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The solution has already been mentioned.

Simply stop playing.

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 05:52 pm CET#12
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Kapykapy wrote on 20.11.2023 at 17:38: The solution has already been mentioned.

Just don't gamble anymore.

That can't be the solution. Individuals may decide that way, but certainly not the majority. I would prefer the German casinos to behave correctly towards everyone.

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gamble1
Legend

Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 06:32 pm CET#13
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Tigerbaby2004 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 17:52:

That can't be the solution. Individuals may decide that way, but certainly not the majority. I would prefer the German casinos to behave correctly towards everyone.

But this is the only solution because nothing will change until the state asks itself where all the tax revenue has gone!


We get our money, we pay taxes, we spend it in the casino, we pay another tax and in the end we even pay another tax for everyone, regardless of whether they win or lose

Regulation sounds so serious it would be more like taking the p**s out of an entire nation

We can't put up with this kind of stuff anymore our everyday life is determined by taxes on everything #fool yourself

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Tigerbaby2004
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Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 08:14 pm CET#16
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gamble1 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 18:32:

But this is the only solution because nothing changes as long as the state does not ask itself the question where did the nice tax revenues go !


We get our money pay taxes we spend it in the casino pay tax again and in the end even pay tax again for everyone regardless of whether they win or lose

Regulation sounds so serious it would be more like taking the p**s out of an entire nation

We can't put up with this kind of stuff anymore our everyday life is determined by taxes on everything #fool yourself

If you buy alcohol, or gas, or anything else, then you also pay taxes on your already taxed income. Unfortunately, this completely misses the point of my post.

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wettibernd
Expert

Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos

20th Nov. 2023, at 10:30 pm CET#17
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As a consumer, you can normally only change things with your wallet. Stop playing and that will change, but as long as the money keeps flowing, nothing will change.

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