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17th Sep. 2019, at 10:09 pm CEST#11
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hamisto wrote on 09/17/2019 at 19:24: Hey!
I finished my studies this semester and have been looking for a job for a month. Therefore, I also receive ALG2 since this September.
I got 5 freespins for Book of Dead through the no Deposit bonus wheel at Rizk and on the last one just came 5 explorers! Were nice 500€.
Now my question is if anyone knows about this if I have to declare it or it doesn't matter anyway since they have no way of finding out.
Bank statements are required in my experience only from the last 3 months and my grant period goes until February 2020.
You don't need to play moralizer, I think I will still pay enough into our beautiful treasury.
Thanks for suggestions! LG
Wins from gambling in the frame MAY NOT BE ACCOUNTED !!!!!!!!!! So 0 Problemo...
Can be that the employment office if you there the account statements of the last 3 months must show on this (Aus-)payment stoßen, you a letter send by them will ask you to explain where this money comes from. Then you simply write an email that this is a one-time win from an online casino and you will never hear from them again. You also write.... "As you surely know, gambling winnings are not allowed to be taken into account
Here, that's how I settled it and NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN (THEY know that very well, they still try everything not to have to pay, but if you show them that you are not on the head, they quickly lose interest and look for a new victim)
Werl, 09.05.2019
Dear Sir or Madam,
I hereby comply with your request and comment on the letter dated 07.05.2019
The mentioned payment of 600 euro via Trustly was a one-time payment/"casino win" and is only due to my hobby.
I have been playing online poker/slots more or less for almost 10 years.
Every now and then, if you are actually lucky, you might make a small win. But even if it happens once that you have a little something to debit, it is in most cases rather new game stake again as real money. Technically, of course, it is real because it is booked to the account and back to the casino. But what I mean by that, you can see best on the bank statement:
01.04 ---- 600 euro trustly income
on the same day, namely also the 01. 04. ---- 12 bookings of about 10 euro back to the casino
Of course, I'm happy to explain everything here (I have nothing to hide!!) However, I must confess, I do not quite understand why this payment has any relevance for the job center since I was in this time period yet until 05.05.2019 in the "ALG 1 reference"!!?!?
I am of course happy to be instructed, however, the ALG 1 is an Insurance benefit from paid contribution years, OTHER THAN IT NATURALLY is with ALG 2, right?
If I have informed myself and inquired correctly at that time there is with ALG 1 the so-called effortful and effortless money inflow/income. The effortless cash inflow also includes gambling winnings, which may therefore also not be counted (ALG 1)
Of course I am aware that this is only legal for ALG 1. Should such a surprise occur again and I should be at the same time still in ALG II reference (from 06 May 2019) to ..., I will of course immediately report these wins and indicate.
I hope hereby to have contributed to the clarification
mfg
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17th Sep. 2019, at 10:10 pm CEST#12
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ach shit, sry... you are ALG II... thought you were ALG I, I also have no idea^^
With ALG II a win must actually be reported. in contrast to ALG I it is to serve only for basic security, as soon as one can meet the living costs itself, it must be indicated. I had explained the reason for this in more detail once in the article:
To what extent something like this is really checked, I can't tell you, unfortunately. I have never received ALG I or II
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18th Sep. 2019, at 09:19 am CEST#15
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hamisto wrote on 09/17/2019 at 19:24: Hey!
I finished my studies this semester and have been looking for a job for a month. Therefore, I also receive ALG2 since this September.
I got 5 freespins for Book of Dead through the no Deposit bonus wheel at Rizk and on the last one just came 5 explorers! Were nice 500€.
Now my question is if anyone knows about this if I have to declare it or it doesn't matter anyway since they have no way of finding out.
Bank statements are required in my experience only from the last 3 months and my grant period goes until February 2020.
You don't need to play moralizer, I think I will still pay enough into our beautiful treasury.
Thanks for suggestions! LG
Times to the understanding. Because written that is otherwise wrong. So you got 5 Free spins at Rizk. Ok. You write at the last (so spin) then came 5 explorers. Ok. in a row? Then that gives 100 Eur during the game, because the 5 spins are yes on bet 10 cent. Or did you get free spins with symbol explorers and then full screen??? And that with 5 spins?? Which I think is very unlikely. And last question: the wins are then freely available, without turnover requirements??? To me, this all sounds too much like a fairy tale again. And on the subject: all income during Alg2 reference must be reported to the job center. Nowhere does it say that gambling is excluded. Because of Lottogewinnen around a few hundred Eur there were already press-effective Scandälchen. If you should refer Alg2 however only briefly and transitionally, they will not notice that. Such a thing would only be noticed if you had to submit retrospective account statements for a new application and then there would be such items on the statement. Normally, no one snoops around on your account while you are receiving benefits. I think that would not work at all. They could only ask you to submit statements in case of suspicion
Basically you have to declare all wins. Even a lottery win they count
Whether you do that is your business.
I tell you from my experience, do not do it. No one cares.
I was myself once in the situation and have just in the 3 months where you have to show the account statements, my wins paid out by prepaid credit card. Fact is that the ARGE is so outdated that the employees partly do not know what Skrill, Neteller, etc. is. Thanks Trustly is also not apparent to them where you deposit. Although in my opinion they do not care, as long as they see no plus on the account
In the end, it is always a matter of honesty. But I also gives no one what from dahher isses me latte
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18th Sep. 2019, at 09:58 am CEST#17
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The job centers would only have to go to the Spielos to see how many of their supposedly destitute customers (mostly with a migration background) play there for hours every day. But I've never seen any inspectors there. Then you know how great it is controlled and what's going on there.
Therefore, I completely agree with the Tip from Gambleot
By the way, today they want to see 6 months retroactively. That with the 3 was once.
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19th Sep. 2019, at 12:11 am CEST#18
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winterling wrote on 09/18/2019 09:19 AM
Times to the understanding. Because written that is otherwise wrong. So you got 5 free spins at Rizk. Ok. You write at the last (so spin) then came 5 explorers. Ok. in a row? Then that gives 100 Eur during the game, because the 5 spins are yes on bet 10 cent. Or did you get free spins with symbol explorers and then full screen??? And that with 5 spins?? Which I think is very unlikely. And last question: the wins are then freely available, without turnover requirements??? To me, this all sounds too much like a fairy tale again. And on the subject: all income during Alg2 reference must be reported to the job center. Nowhere does it say that gambling is excluded. Because of Lottogewinnen around a few hundred Eur there were already press-effective Scandälchen. If you should refer Alg2 however only briefly and transitionally, they will not notice that. Such a thing would only be noticed if you had to submit retrospective account statements for a new application and then there would be such items on the statement. Normally, no one snoops around on your account while you are receiving benefits. I think that would not work at all. They could only ask you to submit statements in case of suspicion.
Thank you all for your answers, my question is in any case clarified.
@Winterling: At Rizk you can turn the wheel from level 20? every level up. This can give you so called super spins
These are with me always worth 1€ per spin in a game of your choice
I had won 5 and spun them a day later as I said in Book of Dead and got in the last 5 explorers at 10 lines=500€.
That is of course brutal luck, before that the spins and the wheel itself were also completely useless. And yes the good thing about Rizk is that there is no turnover and no limit on the win.
LG
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19th Sep. 2019, at 12:46 am CEST#19
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account statements... there is photoshop. just saying.
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19th Sep. 2019, at 07:36 am CEST#20
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hamisto wrote on 09/19/2019 00:11 PM
Thank you all for your answers, it definitely clears up my question.
@Winterling: In Rizk you can spin the wheel from level 20? every level up. This can give you so called super spins
These are with me always worth 1€ per spin in a game of your choice
I had won 5 and spun them a day later as I said in Book of Dead and got in the last 5 explorers at 10 lines=500€.
That is of course brutal luck, before that the spins and the wheel itself were also completely useless. And yes the good thing about Rizk is that there is no turnover and no limit on the win.
LG
Ok thanks. Then it is clear to me. I was also on Rizk briefly last year and always got the most available junk on that wheel. But how is that? To get to a level like that you have to Deposit like stupid before, right? Turnover free is fair. I'm surprised they do that. It will probably almost never happen what happened to you. Now it would be interesting whether they collect such events in the background, store and you therefore later never rihtig get going there.
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Wins from gambling in the frame MAY NOT BE ACCOUNTED !!!!!!!!!! So 0 Problemo...
Can be that the employment office if you there the account statements of the last 3 months must show on this (Aus-)payment stoßen, you a letter send by them will ask you to explain where this money comes from. Then you simply write an email that this is a one-time win from an online casino and you will never hear from them again. You also write.... "As you surely know, gambling winnings are not allowed to be taken into account
Here, that's how I settled it and NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN (THEY know that very well, they still try everything not to have to pay, but if you show them that you are not on the head, they quickly lose interest and look for a new victim)
Werl, 09.05.2019
Dear Sir or Madam,
I hereby comply with your request and comment on the letter dated 07.05.2019
The mentioned payment of 600 euro via Trustly was a one-time payment/"casino win" and is only due to my hobby.
I have been playing online poker/slots more or less for almost 10 years.
Every now and then, if you are actually lucky, you might make a small win. But even if it happens once that you have a little something to debit, it is in most cases rather new game stake again as real money. Technically, of course, it is real because it is booked to the account and back to the casino. But what I mean by that, you can see best on the bank statement:
01.04 ---- 600 euro trustly income
on the same day, namely also the 01. 04. ---- 12 bookings of about 10 euro back to the casino
Of course, I'm happy to explain everything here (I have nothing to hide!!) However, I must confess, I do not quite understand why this payment has any relevance for the job center since I was in this time period yet until 05.05.2019 in the "ALG 1 reference"!!?!?
I am of course happy to be instructed, however, the ALG 1 is an Insurance benefit from paid contribution years, OTHER THAN IT NATURALLY is with ALG 2, right?
If I have informed myself and inquired correctly at that time there is with ALG 1 the so-called effortful and effortless money inflow/income. The effortless cash inflow also includes gambling winnings, which may therefore also not be counted (ALG 1)
Of course I am aware that this is only legal for ALG 1. Should such a surprise occur again and I should be at the same time still in ALG II reference (from 06 May 2019) to ..., I will of course immediately report these wins and indicate.
I hope hereby to have contributed to the clarification
mfg
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To what extent something like this is really checked, I can't tell you, unfortunately. I have never received ALG I or II
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Times to the understanding. Because written that is otherwise wrong. So you got 5 Free spins at Rizk. Ok. You write at the last (so spin) then came 5 explorers. Ok. in a row? Then that gives 100 Eur during the game, because the 5 spins are yes on bet 10 cent. Or did you get free spins with symbol explorers and then full screen??? And that with 5 spins?? Which I think is very unlikely. And last question: the wins are then freely available, without turnover requirements??? To me, this all sounds too much like a fairy tale again. And on the subject: all income during Alg2 reference must be reported to the job center. Nowhere does it say that gambling is excluded. Because of Lottogewinnen around a few hundred Eur there were already press-effective Scandälchen. If you should refer Alg2 however only briefly and transitionally, they will not notice that. Such a thing would only be noticed if you had to submit retrospective account statements for a new application and then there would be such items on the statement. Normally, no one snoops around on your account while you are receiving benefits. I think that would not work at all. They could only ask you to submit statements in case of suspicion
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Whether you do that is your business.
I tell you from my experience, do not do it. No one cares.
I was myself once in the situation and have just in the 3 months where you have to show the account statements, my wins paid out by prepaid credit card. Fact is that the ARGE is so outdated that the employees partly do not know what Skrill, Neteller, etc. is. Thanks Trustly is also not apparent to them where you deposit. Although in my opinion they do not care, as long as they see no plus on the account
In the end, it is always a matter of honesty. But I also gives no one what from dahher isses me latte
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Therefore, I completely agree with the Tip from Gambleot
By the way, today they want to see 6 months retroactively. That with the 3 was once.
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Thank you all for your answers, my question is in any case clarified.
@Winterling: At Rizk you can turn the wheel from level 20? every level up. This can give you so called super spins
These are with me always worth 1€ per spin in a game of your choice
I had won 5 and spun them a day later as I said in Book of Dead and got in the last 5 explorers at 10 lines=500€.
That is of course brutal luck, before that the spins and the wheel itself were also completely useless. And yes the good thing about Rizk is that there is no turnover and no limit on the win.
LG
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Ok thanks. Then it is clear to me. I was also on Rizk briefly last year and always got the most available junk on that wheel. But how is that? To get to a level like that you have to Deposit like stupid before, right? Turnover free is fair. I'm surprised they do that. It will probably almost never happen what happened to you. Now it would be interesting whether they collect such events in the background, store and you therefore later never rihtig get going there.
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