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Landbased Casinos in general: A joke what is going on in German game arcades (Page 4)

Topic created on 02nd Oct. 2018 | Page: 4 of 41 | Answers: 401 | Views: 104,817
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A joke what is going on in German game arcades

12th Oct. 2018, at 04:12 pm CEST#31
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Bone wrote on 12.10.2018 at 16:03: If I still go into a Spielo then preferably Sunday morning so around 9-10 clock. Then there are a maximum of 2-3 people there besides me, no annoying antisocials who play on 5 machines at the same time and leave 20ct everywhere to put something in again an hour later etc

And then I go only in Spielos with good service, where the coffee tastes good and is brought with a smile to my machine where I can smoke a cigarette while the money is booked and then I can really relax there. I only get an icky feeling there if I gamble away too much. That's why I take a maximum of 50€ into an arcade and just play small stakes, unless I win something. The goal for me is never to leave with a win. I actually feel best when I can leave the hall after 2-3 hours and have neither a big + nor a big - in my wallet but optimally just my Deposit amount + a fresh pack of cigarettes.

Very wise decision, but unfortunately the clientele in Spielos has changed a lot. I don't know how many times I was begged for money in Spielos as soon as I won, I find it totally repulsive. It was always the same people, and every time the same stupid comments. Not everyone thinks like you, I've burned again neat money at the end and it also needed this feeling. In my Spielos there were no drinks for free, except coffee.trotz the generous Tip often with wins there was not a single cola times for free for me. That's exactly what I think sucks.

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7th Nov. 2018, at 10:56 am CET#32
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DerSuperDepp wrote on 02/10/2018 at 14:04: It's so ridiculous. I was last night ne round in my Stamm Spielothek and there are yes now these new machines after this stupid policy.

This guideline is not so stupid. It just doesn't go nearly far enough. The halls are pretty much the last place where a customer doesn't get the slightest information about his "purchase". Neither how "expensive" his game is (What do I get for my money? Better asked: What is my "chance of winning"? How does the "chance to win" change if the stake changes?) nor does he get a receipt about his deposits and withdrawals. If something goes wrong (strangely enough, mostly only with the payouts...) the customer has no receipts in hand and is dependent on the good will of the operator or his staff. In the pubs was introduced in former times, which must acquire the landlord a cash - I know still times, there was not such a thing in the disco or pub. So should be prevented that the landlord in the own pocket wirtschaftet. However, it was a matter of comparatively little money. In the halls it is about millions - who cares? The installed, sealed accounting modules are a laughing stock for any serious hall operator. Since the devices run under "play devices with win possibility" and nothing else, it is left to each operator, how high this possibility of the "win" is. And honestly, his win will always come first. So, since he can virtually do as he pleases, the TR5 should be much more extensive. In particular, because the players are usually not "normal" customers but often people who, as far as gambling is concerned, not act responsibly can and therefore require special protection. If you read here in the forum, you will find many examples of this

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7th Nov. 2018, at 06:43 pm CET#33
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Hey great post @Skeptic

I would like to add that game fun and enjoyment has long been a thing of the past.

So I have experienced in the course of my gamer career on my own body that "the business" has been financially more and more negative for me.

20 x in the Spielo purely ... 19 x at the bottom and/or broke again raus. (so at least my last years of play)
Unique was the addiction factor in the offline machines, here the lobby has really done a great job across the board
So that's my conclusion after over 30 years of Slot machine gambling and watching fellow sufferers.

Of course, not only the machine plays a decisive role, but the entire ambience is geared towards one/your loss of control.
Addiction factor = machine + ambience = complete package = 100% !
Gambling halls today: nothing more than a feel-good oasis to ruin
And what concerns their right to exist,
it lives (still) very well, if from the actual danger here from is diverted.

You are right, the "stupid" people belongs protected - and their protection can not be big enough!

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7th Nov. 2018, at 07:27 pm CET#34
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 07/11/2018 at 18:43: Hey great post @Skeptic

I would like to add that game fun and enjoyment has been a thing of the past for quite some time.

So I have experienced in the course of my gamer career on my own body that "the business" has been financially more and more negative for me.

20 x in the Spielo purely ... 19 x at the bottom and/or broke again raus. (so at least my last years of play)
Unique was the addiction factor in the offline machines, here the lobby has really done a great job across the board
So that's my conclusion after over 30 years of Slot machine gambling and watching fellow sufferers.

Of course, not only the machine plays a decisive role, but the entire ambience is geared towards one/your loss of control.
Addiction factor = machine + ambience = complete package = 100% !
Gambling halls today: nothing more than a feel-good oasis to ruin
And what concerns their right to exist,
it lives (still) very well, if from the actual danger here from is diverted.

You are right, the "stupid" people belongs protected - and their protection can not be big enough!


What a teenager or hardcore gambler will never understand is that in 8 out of 10 cases the bank always wins. In the long run you will go broke anyway. The problem with me was that you sit there for hours and hope for pictures that come far too rarely. When playing becomes a compulsion it is too late! So it was for years with me, money on it, money away until the end. At some point when you are really down or it was, you understand up to here and no further. Daniel had once of the Sodastream inventor a very interesting link, maybe he poster IHn again?

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8th Nov. 2018, at 08:32 am CET#35
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Well, I don't think you have to protect the "stupid" people from everything. We are not in kindergarten. Unfortunately, this is the case throughout the BGB, securities law, etc., which I personally find a pity. That one protects people who are not able to estimate everything (minors) ok. But who can not read and does not understand the sense of Spielos is himself to blame and should lose his money. Of course, there must be protection against fraud, etc. I also think that e.g. the theoretical payout ratio should be visible at the Spielos. Whereby it is clear to everyone that the legally maximum permissible (60%?) is always exhausted.

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8th Nov. 2018, at 08:57 am CET#36
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WinMuel wrote on 08/11/2018 at 08:32: So I don't think you have to protect the "stupid" people from everything. It's not like we're in kindergarten. That unfortunately runs through the whole BGB, securities law, etc. which I personally think is a shame. That one protects people who are not able to estimate everything (minors) ok. But who can not read and does not understand the sense of Spielos is himself to blame and should lose his money. Of course, there must be protection against fraud, etc. I also think that e.g. the theoretical payout ratio should be visible at the Spielos. Whereby it is clear to everyone that the legally maximum permissible (60%?) is always exhausted.

I think you are making it a little too easy for yourself. Of course, a psychologically normal person will not believe that he can make money in gambling halls in the long run

However, in my opinion, the "stupid people" are worth protecting

Because we are not just talking about people who gamble away 20 euros twice a month and otherwise have no problem whatsoever with not gambling

Gambling addiction, on the other hand, is a disease that affects both the person concerned and his or her extended environment

It is not uncommon for a person to gamble away everything they have and lose family, friends and ultimately themselves

A person does not do this because he is stupid. In this case, help is needed and an external control must be created so that this does not happen, or help can be offered

But I dare to doubt that this is guaranteed by the new vending machines

However, it is important to me that a clear distinction be made between naïve and sick people

An alcoholic can't just stop drinking like that. If they reach for the bottle, I don't call them stupid, but they urgently need help

But he won't get it from Krombacher, that's clear. Nevertheless, with all legal drugs, gambling, etc., there is a need for measures that protect people or help them. Measures are needed to protect or help people

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8th Nov. 2018, at 09:08 am CET#37
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Idiot85 wrote on 07/11/2018 at 19:27
What a teenager or hardcore gambler will never understand is unfortunately that 8 times out of 10 the bank always wins. In the long run you go broke either way.

But my friend, sooner or later everyone knows that he/she only loses.
Nevertheless, for many ... "hope dies last".

Once in the maelstrom, playing naturally causes a lot of problems, be it financial, within your family, at work, social separation or whatever.
For a gamer, this is not a problem at first, after all, we also have something like that - and that is called a displacement mechanism.

Self-destruction takes its course,
so you keep on playing, and at some point you hit bottom, and hopefully you come to the conclusion
that you have to thank the predominant part of your problems, at your play behavior and/or on it to lead back can

But this mainly concerns people like me, so with the realization that I am a pathological gambler.

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8th Nov. 2018, at 09:18 am CET#38
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Ok, so whether one classifies addiction as a disease is debatable anyway. If you go to a psychologist once, 99% of them will always be diagnosed with a "mental illness", simply because of the psychologist's incentive position
But suppose I am a "TV addict", have only 50€ a month and spend it on Netflix/Prime/Youtube Premium etc.?
Should I have to be protected from this? Or where is the difference?

Without creating discontent now, you can break everything down to natural selection. Whoever doesn't manage to deal with it ... you can see it most clearly in the drug millieu at the golden shot.

Don't get me wrong, I am for absolute control and testing of Spielos, so that no fraud happens. There should be openness and like at the bakery the ingredient list at the Spielos of the RTP should be displayed. But spoiling fun at the game with stupid measures are absolute crap.

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8th Nov. 2018, at 09:49 am CET#39
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No offense meant, but as far as addiction is concerned, your arguments are just plain stupid, to put it bluntly.

Gambling addiction is NOT debatable, but a recognized disease!

And instead of gambling you should read up on addiction (in general) or broaden your horizon a bit...
can it be that you have a huge gap in this regard ?

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8th Nov. 2018, at 09:50 am CET#40
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WinMuel wrote on 08/11/2018 at 09:18: Ok, so whether you classify addiction as a disease is debatable anyway. Once you go to a psychologist, 99% of the time you will always be diagnosed with a "mental illness", simply from the psychologist's incentive position
But suppose I am a "TV addict", have only 50€ a month and spend it on Netflix/Prime/Youtube Premium etc.?
Should I have to be protected from this? Or where is the difference?

Without creating discontent now, you can break everything down to natural selection. Whoever doesn't manage to deal with it ... you can see it most clearly in the drug millieu at the golden shot.

Don't get me wrong, I am for absolute control and testing of Spielos, so that no fraud happens. There should be openness and like at the bakery the ingredient list at the Spielos of the RTP should be displayed. But spoiling fun at the game with stupid measures are absolute crap.


I agree that the new change will not bring much in terms of Player protection

Surely, if you say the right thing to a doctor, he will certify that you have a disease

But that has nothing to do with the fact that Gambling addiction is a real disease. As I said, many people are ruined before they even realize that it is already too late

With the TV addiction you mentioned, not so much could go to pieces, certainly not with close people around you. I also think the example is far too trivial. It does not do justice to the extent of a gambling addiction

Anyone who can still bring some control to something like gambling is still at a point where you can think rationally and avert/control certain things based on rational decisions

An addict can no longer do that. Here, no sayings like: "just leave it alone" or "it's your own fault" will help

There is a point at which the addict himself must understand and he should also get help from outsiders

In addition, it is enormously important that one can be blocked centrally. This would be an important step online in terms of player protection

However, the fun of gambling should not be taken away from those who have themselves under control anyway

Excluding everyone to help a few is not my motto

My approach is to help those who can no longer manage on their own, but to do so all the more consistently

Greetings

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