argon wrote on 09/11/2019 02:14 PM: arcades I have fortunately avoided for several years now
Now out of curiosity I tried OC for a month
I won 2800 in the beginning
All gambled away during the month Played daily on 10-40 cents
Sometimes what came sometimes nothing at all until everything is gambled away
I always play with head and feeling and control
The games give very small amounts that are eaten again
The games are mostly dead
Could still play for month with many free spins
Still the 2800 sum is getting less and less 10cent -1€ stake
What came out of it
Time loss
Depression
Isolation
Vicious circle
Risk of addiction
The 2800 as a new customer is considered a vicious cycle
Conclusion
OC?
NO THANKS
Some of what you write is true, namely that the games are mostly dead. I find that in OC even worse than in arcades. Especially how slow free spins often come in OC. But: You won a huge chunk right at the beginning, which I can only dream of and many others too.
And there is no question of control, as YOU write, because such a win simply has to be cashed out. Instead, you must have gambled almost around the clock to gamble on such small stakes this sum again.
However, I think your resolution to stop is good. However, so far only a saying, because that always say many, including me and then continue.
vomvom12 wrote on 09/11/2019 17:21: you probably like most just play the wrong games !!!
Which ones are the right ones?
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unfortunately, it is not possible to make a general statement about the right Provider because
almost every provider offers good and bad games. in principle
i do not play games with an RTP value below 96,5 and
under 96,5 and games with high Variance i try to avoid. i can tell you which of the
i can tell you which of the big providers I almost don't play or don't play at all
or not at all.
yggdrasil, endorphinia, playson, btg, egt, quickspin, play n' go
just make the effort if you should play again
and check before you play a slot game the RTP value and variance.
if the game has a value lower than 96,5% and/or a variance higher than medium
as a medium you do not play the game but look for another game...
check the values again and so on
where you can find the infos you know
i've just had a nasty crash myself. I didn't make as much money as you, but the lesson was still painful. I'm taking a break for a month with real money.
I have thought about your "next topics":
IP address vs. RNG
Your thought probably: "The OCs recognize me by my IP and adjust the RNG accordingly. "
My (conspiracy) theory: they don't need the IP to recognize you. They also wouldn't rely on the IP since they know it can change. Your browser's fingerprint is much more reliable. Even if you use different devices/browser/IP addresses, they will eventually recognize the connection and know it's you.
But even that work they don't have to do. Why? Because you log in with your username + password. Even if you use a different username and password in each OC, they know who's behind it. After all, you enter your real name plus other personal data during registration, or at the latest during verification. And you WANT to give them your real data, because you want to be paid out in case you win. They have to ask for this data, because the OCs are bound by strict laws.
So the OCs already know who you are, even without manipulative intentions. Which leads us to the question "If they already have the data, will they use it against me? ".
I would like to answer this question with a counter question: "Would it help them to stop the RNG against you? ".
Probably not. The games are all(!) designed to give OCs a reliable and well-calculated house advantage from them. On the basis of these house advantages (and some other factors) their business management is based.
If they now illegally change anything in this house advantage, they Risk two things that are probably very important to them. Their customers and their license.
If they lose customers, they lose revenue. So they definitely don't want a customer to feel cheated by the game. To avoid this, they must not touch the RNG.
If they lose the license, they lose even more revenue. In fact, there would be none at all. Rebuilding the business under a new name, new reputation and with a new license would mean an immense financial effort. If that is at all possible.
To bring the whole thing to the point: "IP address vs. RNG connection?" -> absolutely unlikely.
Provider interface. What has everything to do with
I guess you don't mean the technical background, but if the providers try to disadvantage the player.
I'll make it short, because there is already enough text above: The same applies to the providers in terms of house advantage and customer satisfaction as it does to the OCs. If the providers screw up, they would face even worse consequences than the OCs. If a fraud is discovered, they are not only kicked out of one OC, but also very quickly out of others. The providers and OCs keep a close eye on each other because the business of both sides depends on the honesty of the other.
So I also think it's virtually impossible that the providers are trying to pull a fast one.
How are wins distributed by the provider
I can't quite place that question. So if you actually read down to here, tell me: what exactly do you mean?
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Now out of curiosity I have tried OC for a month
I won 2800 in the beginning
Gambled it all away during the month Played daily on 10-40 cents
Sometimes what came sometimes nothing at all until everything is gambled away
I always play with head and feeling and control
The games give very small amounts that are eaten again
The games are mostly dead
Could still play for month with many free spins
Still the 2800 sum is getting less and less 10cent -1€ stake
What came out of it
Time loss
Depression
Isolation
Vicious circle
Risk of addiction
The 2800 as a new customer is considered a vicious cycle
Conclusion
OC?
NO THANKS
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Some of what you write is true, namely that the games are mostly dead. I find that in OC even worse than in arcades. Especially how slow free spins often come in OC. But: You won a huge chunk right at the beginning, which I can only dream of and many others too.
And there is no question of control, as YOU write, because such a win simply has to be cashed out. Instead, you must have gambled almost around the clock to gamble on such small stakes this sum again.
However, I think your resolution to stop is good. However, so far only a saying, because that always say many, including me and then continue.
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Must stop..otherwise you're slowly deep in the shit either way.
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almost every provider offers good and bad games. in principle
i do not play games with an RTP value below 96,5 and
under 96,5 and games with high Variance i try to avoid. i can tell you which of the
i can tell you which of the big providers I almost don't play or don't play at all
or not at all.
yggdrasil, endorphinia, playson, btg, egt, quickspin, play n' go
just make the effort if you should play again
and check before you play a slot game the RTP value and variance.
if the game has a value lower than 96,5% and/or a variance higher than medium
as a medium you do not play the game but look for another game...
check the values again and so on
where you can find the infos you know
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My next topics will be
IP address vs RNG connection?
Provider interface. What does it all mean
How are the wins distributed by the Provider?
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i've just had a nasty crash myself. I didn't make as much money as you, but the lesson was still painful. I'm taking a break for a month with real money.
I have thought about your "next topics":
IP address vs. RNG
Your thought probably: "The OCs recognize me by my IP and adjust the RNG accordingly. "
My (conspiracy) theory: they don't need the IP to recognize you. They also wouldn't rely on the IP since they know it can change. Your browser's fingerprint is much more reliable. Even if you use different devices/browser/IP addresses, they will eventually recognize the connection and know it's you.
But even that work they don't have to do. Why? Because you log in with your username + password. Even if you use a different username and password in each OC, they know who's behind it. After all, you enter your real name plus other personal data during registration, or at the latest during verification. And you WANT to give them your real data, because you want to be paid out in case you win. They have to ask for this data, because the OCs are bound by strict laws.
So the OCs already know who you are, even without manipulative intentions. Which leads us to the question "If they already have the data, will they use it against me? ".
I would like to answer this question with a counter question: "Would it help them to stop the RNG against you? ".
Probably not. The games are all(!) designed to give OCs a reliable and well-calculated house advantage from them. On the basis of these house advantages (and some other factors) their business management is based.
If they now illegally change anything in this house advantage, they Risk two things that are probably very important to them. Their customers and their license.
If they lose customers, they lose revenue. So they definitely don't want a customer to feel cheated by the game. To avoid this, they must not touch the RNG.
If they lose the license, they lose even more revenue. In fact, there would be none at all. Rebuilding the business under a new name, new reputation and with a new license would mean an immense financial effort. If that is at all possible.
To bring the whole thing to the point: "IP address vs. RNG connection?" -> absolutely unlikely.
Provider interface. What has everything to do with
I guess you don't mean the technical background, but if the providers try to disadvantage the player.
I'll make it short, because there is already enough text above: The same applies to the providers in terms of house advantage and customer satisfaction as it does to the OCs. If the providers screw up, they would face even worse consequences than the OCs. If a fraud is discovered, they are not only kicked out of one OC, but also very quickly out of others. The providers and OCs keep a close eye on each other because the business of both sides depends on the honesty of the other.
So I also think it's virtually impossible that the providers are trying to pull a fast one.
How are wins distributed by the provider
I can't quite place that question. So if you actually read down to here, tell me: what exactly do you mean?
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