i really don't know where to start, but I'll just bluntly start telling my story...
My name is Carsten, I am 27 years old and come from a small town near Munich.
For me it started around 2012 with the Gambling addiction, when I put 60 cents in the Slot machine in a chip shop and pressed 140. It was sooo easy and also really fun. I also could hardly believe that I made 140 euros with a few button presses. Well, then the whole game started with me...
From the year 2012, it went from one gambling house to the next. The first few months went really great - I won amounts from 500 euros to even 4800 euros, paid out and deposited into my checking account. At some point, however, the lucky streak stopped... At the time, I was still in training and had stress with the bank because of my account management. My advisor couldn't have me picking up money at other people's ATMs. Again and again he called me, what the withdrawal at a so-called "moneybox" is supposed to do all the time. This became too stressful for me and I changed banks. (I believe, however, that he only wanted to help me at that time)
After about 1.5 years at the new bank I needed a Debt restructuring - not much in my opinion. It was about 2000 Euros that I paid off in 6 months. The problem with gambling addiction existed at all times. The account slipped constantly into the Miese with a Dispo of 1000 euro I overdrawn the account on 2800 - 3000 euro won and deposited. Each time it was a difficult fight against the minus on my account. I tried to stop - but did not manage.... UNTIL once at home it really banged with my parents! From one day to the next I didn't enter any casinos/gambling arcades and didn't touch any slot machines. I had endured that for three years.
But then I got to know the online casino world... It's super easy to pay via instant bank transfer/Paysafecard or whatever. I started buying with Paysafecards via debit. Overdrawn my account and had my overdraft adjusted umpteen times. Again, a debt rescheduling of about 5500 euros was necessary - which I'm still paying off today. Now... before approx. four weeks it banged with my house bank between me and my advisor properly, since I had asked again to increase the Dispo. Perhaps you imagine that I had asked for a Dispo of 2000 euros, but that was not so. I had asked for the Dispo to be raised to 800 euros. A very harsh tone followed - where my money would go, I would be addicted to gambling and I would not have my payments under control. In addition, my advisor deeply regretted having carried out the debt restructuring with me. He made me quite ready with these statements... I was more or less shouted at on the phone. I was threatened to cancel all direct debits, etc.
Anyway, I am currently trying not to play anymore
How do you get a handle on these "shock moments" when the thrill of playing grabs you? What can you do about it?
At the moment I can resist it... I am also blocked at all casinos so far.
Carsten92 wrote on 04/19/2019 at 23:40: Good evening dear community,
i really don't know where to start, but I'll just start bluntly telling my story...
My name is Carsten, I am 27 years old and come from a small town near Munich.
For me it started around 2012 with the Gambling addiction, when I put 60 cents in the Slot machine in a chip shop and pressed 140. It was sooo easy and also really fun. I also could hardly believe that I made 140 euros with a few button presses. Well, then the whole game started with me...
From the year 2012, it went from one gambling house to the next. The first few months went really great - I won amounts from 500 euros to even 4800 euros, paid out and deposited into my checking account. At some point, however, the lucky streak stopped... At the time, I was still in training and had stress with the bank because of my account management. My advisor couldn't have me picking up money at other people's ATMs. Again and again he called me, what the withdrawal at a so-called "moneybox" is supposed to do all the time. This became too stressful for me and I changed banks. (I believe, however, that he only wanted to help me at that time)
After about 1.5 years at the new bank I needed a Debt restructuring - not much in my opinion. It was about 2000 Euros that I paid off in 6 months. The problem with gambling addiction existed at all times. The account slipped constantly into the Miese with a Dispo of 1000 euro I overdrawn the account on 2800 - 3000 euro won and deposited. Each time it was a difficult fight against the minus on my account. I tried to stop - but did not manage.... UNTIL once at home it really banged with my parents! From one day to the next I didn't enter any casinos/gambling arcades and didn't touch any slot machines. I had endured that for three years.
But then I got to know the online casino world... It's super easy to pay via instant bank transfer/Paysafecard or whatever. I started buying with Paysafecards via debit. Overdrawn my account and had my overdraft adjusted umpteen times. Again, a debt rescheduling of about 5500 euros was necessary - which I'm still paying off today. Now... before approx. four weeks it banged with my house bank between me and my advisor properly, since I had asked again to increase the Dispo. Perhaps you imagine that I had asked for a Dispo of 2000 euros, but that was not so. I had asked that the Dispo be raised to 800 euros. A very harsh tone followed - where my money would go, I would be addicted to gambling and I would not have my payments under control. In addition, my advisor deeply regretted having carried out the debt restructuring with me. He made me quite ready with these statements... I was more or less shouted at on the phone. I was threatened to cancel all direct debits, etc.
Anyway, I am currently trying not to play anymore
How do you get a handle on these "shock moments" when the thrill of playing grabs you? What can you do about it?
At the moment I can resist it... I am also blocked at all casinos so far.
Greetings
Carsten
I can only warmly recommend that you go to the nearest Caritas addiction counseling center. They can help you depending on your needs, either with regular sessions on site or as an alternative a kind of rehab in a clinic. There are several very good places to go that specialize in gambling. There you will be professionally cared for, you will get time to fixate on the problem without distractions, to find out the reasons why it happened the way it did, and so on. It may sound bad, but it is not at all, probably one of the best ways for you to get back on the right track to a controlled life.
I wish you much success and hope that you take my advice to heart 😉👍
1. Block everywhere (you have done now)
2. Disable all advertisements or create a rule to delete them immediately
3. Remove from all casino sites
4. First of all, avoid all contacts who also play online or contacts who encourage you to gamble
5. You are the master of the situation, the impulse will come and you must be prepared (see below)
Below:
You must have a plan as soon as the impulse comes (e.g. immediately go outside to a mall or walk in a park), in the evening instead make dinner (or order something) and watch a series, a movie, ...
The whole thing will feel miserable for about two weeks, but then the impulses will get fewer and fewer. However, once you start playing with ads or freebies again, it will get you back on track in quite a short time. Free spins, free tournaments, extra Bonuses, ... all of this keeps you extremely interested because you constantly think you get something every now and then and could win something from it. This is psychologically very well thought out and is probably also one of the causes of problematic gaming behavior. A quick check, how many would find it a pity if there were no more bonuses? Quite a few, because they have become almost more important than the game itself, even if you don't want to admit it that way.
Alternatively, if you act like you can pull yourself together, then you have many hundreds of times ahead of you where you lie to yourself every time. Believe me, you lose confidence in yourself if you don't pay attention once. You really think every time only 10 €, then suddenly 50 - xx € I could spare but also and only when the money is gone or was deposited FIRST then we think how shit it was now to have deposited and play it down.
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zuzox wrote on 04/20/2019 00:46 PM
I can only highly recommend you to go to the nearest Caritas addiction counseling. They can help you depending on your needs, either regularly with sessions on site or as an alternative some kind of rehab in a clinic. There are several very good places to go that specialize in gambling. There you will be professionally cared for, you will get time to fixate on the problem without distractions, to find out the reasons why it happened the way it did, and so on. It may sound bad, but it is not at all, probably one of the best ways for you to get back on the right track to a controlled life.
I wish you much success and hope that you take my advice to heart 😉👍
You can't get better advice than that. True words.
thank you very much for the kind feedback. I really take the things to heart and try to work on myself. Today just the second day without playing and without pressure is coming to an end. I don't know what the reason for that is - I'm guessing the weather, since I'm just out and about all the time. I even have cash in my pocket and it doesn't occur to me to get a Paysafecard. Still, I'm scared to death that in the next few days I'll be gripped by an impulse I can't escape. This pressure I have in the past over and over again... Somehow I have to resist it. To that end, I have to say that I am 100% sure that I am addicted to gambling. I am definitely not in control of my gambling behavior. If I said otherwise, I would be lying and that is exactly what I do not want and do not want
In the course of the next week I will call Caritas and listen to the whole thing. Do you know if the help there is free of charge? What about the obligation of confidentiality? I don't want it to get around in the city - because many people know me and don't know anything about it...
Well... I plan to report here in between how I'm getting on, if that's okay with you guys.
However, I still have some questions
- Am I ever allowed to gamble again?
- Can my bank advisor deal with me the way he did? The words were really sharp and harsh. Does he have the right to throw such statements in my face based on my sales?
- To what extent is it any of my bank's business where I send my money and what I spend it on?
- When does this disgusting, uncomfortable, oppressive feeling go away when I think about gambling?
Carsten92 wrote on 04/20/2019 4:36 PM: Good day dear people,
thank you very much for the kind feedback. I really take things to heart and try to work on myself. Today is just coming to the end of second day without playing and without pressure. I don't know what the reason for that is - I'm guessing the weather, since I'm just out and about all the time. I even have cash in my pocket and it doesn't occur to me to get a Paysafecard. Still, I'm scared to death that in the next few days I'll be gripped by an impulse I can't escape. This pressure I have in the past over and over again... Somehow I have to resist it. To that end, I have to say that I am 100% sure that I am addicted to gambling. I am definitely not in control of my gambling behavior. If I said otherwise, I would be lying and that is exactly what I do not want and do not want
In the course of the next week I will call Caritas and listen to the whole thing. Do you know if the help there is free of charge? What about the obligation of confidentiality? I don't want it to get around in the city - because many people know me and don't know anything about it...
Well... I plan to report here in between how I'm getting on, if that's okay with you guys.
However, I still have some questions
- Am I ever allowed to gamble again?
- Can my bank advisor deal with me the way he did? The words were really sharp and harsh. Does he have the right to throw such statements in my face based on my sales?
- To what extent is it any of my bank's business where I send my money and what I spend it on?
- When does this disgusting, uncomfortable, oppressive feeling go away when I think about gambling?
Thank you all!
Greetings
Carsten
So the gambling or the Gambling addiction will always accompany you, so the best way to help you is with the options mentioned.
And yes, of course, it is anonymous and free of charge, the hospital stay is covered by the health insurance. You don't need to worry about that at first, the responsible people at the Caritas counseling center will help you or apply for everything for you
I find the behavior of the bank employee outrageous and you can also forward or request a new consultant
On the last point, this is individual and always depends on you, your character, discipline, etc.. Everything is addressed and treated during the counseling or rehab.
The most important thing is not to drive yourself crazy with thoughts. See to it that you make an appointment with the addiction counseling, then you first talk through your situation and then you will be helped.
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I don't want to be pushy now.Would you rather the bank advisor had increased the overdraft and said nothing.Then you might have more debt.If someone is addicted to something,then he probably has other problems.It's hard to help someone if you don't know him well.Probably they need someone to talk to.The problem with most gamblers who are addicted or close to it, they forget like me also that everything is only in the brain.I have money again so I can gamble again.If you do something else now you do not waste so many thoughts on gambling.If they create that they are not a hopeless case.Youtube there is much about gambling addiction.Look at it has brought me a lot.I have e.g. already gambled with play money, pretended as if it were real and times calculated what I would have gambled so.I've become nauseous.look for a hobby that makes them fun and is not so expensive.do not know if it helps them to me it has helped.I wish them that they can say in a few months what I only found it to gamble my money is more beautiful what you can do with it.
zuzox wrote on 04/20/2019 at 16:53
So gambling or Gambling addiction will always accompany you, so the best way to help you is with the options mentioned.
And yes of course, it is anonymous and free of charge, the hospital stay is covered by health insurance. You don't need to worry about that at first, the responsible people at the Caritas counseling center will help you or apply for everything for you
I find the behavior of the bank employee outrageous and you can also forward or request a new consultant
On the last point, this is individual and always depends on you, your character, discipline, etc.. Everything is addressed and treated during the counseling or rehab.
The most important thing is not to drive yourself crazy with thoughts. See to it that you make an appointment with the addiction counseling, then you first talk through your situation and then you will be helped.
That's what I thought. Once you are addicted to gambling, you are susceptible to it for life, right?
Why are there people who have it completely under control? If I make up my mind that I'm only going to spend 50 euros, it quickly turns into 150+, even though I can use the money. I don't know what I'm thinking... Maybe I'm just hoping for a huge win or thinking that I can get rich this way, but I'm gambling my whole life away. I'm beginning to think that gambling has even made me depressed. You can't do anything because you're broke and you keep thinking about how things could have been better.
As I said before I will see to it that I get an appointment for a counseling session and will officially be able to talk to someone about it. Can also gladly report here about how it went. Self therapy is likely to make you fall off the wagon, right?
@Manfrede4
No, of course you are partly right! Nevertheless, it is under all sow to finish someone on the phone because of his sales. I don't have to justify myself to my consultant where my money goes. Such a conversation could have been much more professional. Of course it's annoying when I call them every week and ask for my overdraft to be adjusted up and down again and again, but that's their damn job. Then I get to hear that it's totally annoying to serve me - if all his customers were like me, then he wouldn't get shit anymore etc.
I have to say that I don't have any problems except for financial worries. I am physically healthy and have a great job. I like my work and my life - if it weren't for the financial worries and the gambling addiction, everything would be perfect.... It's also true that the brain switches off. You just stop thinking and you're in the gamble flow and you can't get out of it until you've gambled away all your money and then you're in despair. Sleepless nights are standard for me...
Carsten92 wrote on 04/19/2019 at 23:40: Good evening dear community,
i really don't know where to start, but I'll just start bluntly telling my story...
My name is Carsten, I am 27 years old and come from a small town near Munich.
For me it started around 2012 with the Gambling addiction, when I put 60 cents in the Slot machine in a chip shop and pressed 140. It was sooo easy and also really fun. I also could hardly believe that I made 140 euros with a few button presses. Well, then the whole game started with me...
From the year 2012, it went from one gambling house to the next. The first few months went really great - I won amounts from 500 euros to even 4800 euros, paid out and deposited into my checking account. At some point, however, the lucky streak stopped... At the time, I was still in training and had stress with the bank because of my account management. My advisor couldn't have me picking up money at other people's ATMs. Again and again he called me, what the withdrawal at a so-called "moneybox" is supposed to do all the time. This became too stressful for me and I changed banks. (I believe, however, that he only wanted to help me at that time)
After about 1.5 years at the new bank I needed a Debt restructuring - not much in my opinion. It was about 2000 Euros that I paid off in 6 months. The problem with gambling addiction existed at all times. The account slipped constantly into the Miese with a Dispo of 1000 euro I overdrawn the account on 2800 - 3000 euro won and deposited. Each time it was a difficult fight against the minus on my account. I tried to stop - but did not manage.... UNTIL once at home it really banged with my parents! From one day to the next I didn't enter any casinos/gambling arcades and didn't touch any slot machines. I had endured that for three years.
But then I got to know the online casino world... It's super easy to pay via instant bank transfer/Paysafecard or whatever. I started buying with Paysafecards via debit. Overdrawn my account and had my overdraft adjusted umpteen times. Again, a debt rescheduling of about 5500 euros was necessary - which I'm still paying off today. Now... before approx. four weeks it banged with my house bank between me and my advisor properly, since I had asked again to increase the Dispo. Perhaps you imagine that I had asked for a Dispo of 2000 euros, but that was not so. I had asked for the Dispo to be raised to 800 euros. A very harsh tone followed - where my money would go, I would be addicted to gambling and I would not have my payments under control. In addition, my advisor deeply regretted having carried out the debt restructuring with me. He made me quite ready with these statements... I was more or less shouted at on the phone. I was threatened to reverse all direct debits, etc.
Anyway, I am currently trying not to play anymore
How do you get a handle on these "shock moments" when the thrill of playing grabs you? What can you do about it?
At the moment I can resist it... I am also blocked at all casinos so far.
Greetings
Carsten
So good book I can recommend by M. Trojan: "Who wins when you lose".
Opens one's eyes from a more complex point of view than an addict does. I haven't read it all the way through.
So if you feel like gambling, just go for a walk outside and try to stay tough. Block online banking.
Your bank or the advisor is but quite strict
I have my payments just not quite under control but that will come back !
Please try to avoid that you umpteen times nen amount by SOFORT or otherwise deposited... that just looks totally like you do not have you under control
Actually, I would rather say, the consultant has nothing to say to you ...
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i really don't know where to start, but I'll just bluntly start telling my story...
My name is Carsten, I am 27 years old and come from a small town near Munich.
For me it started around 2012 with the Gambling addiction, when I put 60 cents in the Slot machine in a chip shop and pressed 140. It was sooo easy and also really fun. I also could hardly believe that I made 140 euros with a few button presses. Well, then the whole game started with me...
From the year 2012, it went from one gambling house to the next. The first few months went really great - I won amounts from 500 euros to even 4800 euros, paid out and deposited into my checking account. At some point, however, the lucky streak stopped... At the time, I was still in training and had stress with the bank because of my account management. My advisor couldn't have me picking up money at other people's ATMs. Again and again he called me, what the withdrawal at a so-called "moneybox" is supposed to do all the time. This became too stressful for me and I changed banks. (I believe, however, that he only wanted to help me at that time)
After about 1.5 years at the new bank I needed a Debt restructuring - not much in my opinion. It was about 2000 Euros that I paid off in 6 months. The problem with gambling addiction existed at all times. The account slipped constantly into the Miese with a Dispo of 1000 euro I overdrawn the account on 2800 - 3000 euro won and deposited. Each time it was a difficult fight against the minus on my account. I tried to stop - but did not manage.... UNTIL once at home it really banged with my parents! From one day to the next I didn't enter any casinos/gambling arcades and didn't touch any slot machines. I had endured that for three years.
But then I got to know the online casino world... It's super easy to pay via instant bank transfer/Paysafecard or whatever. I started buying with Paysafecards via debit. Overdrawn my account and had my overdraft adjusted umpteen times. Again, a debt rescheduling of about 5500 euros was necessary - which I'm still paying off today. Now... before approx. four weeks it banged with my house bank between me and my advisor properly, since I had asked again to increase the Dispo. Perhaps you imagine that I had asked for a Dispo of 2000 euros, but that was not so. I had asked for the Dispo to be raised to 800 euros. A very harsh tone followed - where my money would go, I would be addicted to gambling and I would not have my payments under control. In addition, my advisor deeply regretted having carried out the debt restructuring with me. He made me quite ready with these statements... I was more or less shouted at on the phone. I was threatened to cancel all direct debits, etc.
Anyway, I am currently trying not to play anymore
How do you get a handle on these "shock moments" when the thrill of playing grabs you? What can you do about it?
At the moment I can resist it... I am also blocked at all casinos so far.
Greetings
Carsten
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I can only warmly recommend that you go to the nearest Caritas addiction counseling center. They can help you depending on your needs, either with regular sessions on site or as an alternative a kind of rehab in a clinic. There are several very good places to go that specialize in gambling. There you will be professionally cared for, you will get time to fixate on the problem without distractions, to find out the reasons why it happened the way it did, and so on. It may sound bad, but it is not at all, probably one of the best ways for you to get back on the right track to a controlled life.
I wish you much success and hope that you take my advice to heart 😉👍
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1. Block everywhere (you have done now)
2. Disable all advertisements or create a rule to delete them immediately
3. Remove from all casino sites
4. First of all, avoid all contacts who also play online or contacts who encourage you to gamble
5. You are the master of the situation, the impulse will come and you must be prepared (see below)
Below:
You must have a plan as soon as the impulse comes (e.g. immediately go outside to a mall or walk in a park), in the evening instead make dinner (or order something) and watch a series, a movie, ...
The whole thing will feel miserable for about two weeks, but then the impulses will get fewer and fewer. However, once you start playing with ads or freebies again, it will get you back on track in quite a short time. Free spins, free tournaments, extra Bonuses, ... all of this keeps you extremely interested because you constantly think you get something every now and then and could win something from it. This is psychologically very well thought out and is probably also one of the causes of problematic gaming behavior. A quick check, how many would find it a pity if there were no more bonuses? Quite a few, because they have become almost more important than the game itself, even if you don't want to admit it that way.
Alternatively, if you act like you can pull yourself together, then you have many hundreds of times ahead of you where you lie to yourself every time. Believe me, you lose confidence in yourself if you don't pay attention once. You really think every time only 10 €, then suddenly 50 - xx € I could spare but also and only when the money is gone or was deposited FIRST then we think how shit it was now to have deposited and play it down.
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You can't get better advice than that. True words.
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thank you very much for the kind feedback. I really take the things to heart and try to work on myself. Today just the second day without playing and without pressure is coming to an end. I don't know what the reason for that is - I'm guessing the weather, since I'm just out and about all the time. I even have cash in my pocket and it doesn't occur to me to get a Paysafecard. Still, I'm scared to death that in the next few days I'll be gripped by an impulse I can't escape. This pressure I have in the past over and over again... Somehow I have to resist it. To that end, I have to say that I am 100% sure that I am addicted to gambling. I am definitely not in control of my gambling behavior. If I said otherwise, I would be lying and that is exactly what I do not want and do not want
In the course of the next week I will call Caritas and listen to the whole thing. Do you know if the help there is free of charge? What about the obligation of confidentiality? I don't want it to get around in the city - because many people know me and don't know anything about it...
Well... I plan to report here in between how I'm getting on, if that's okay with you guys.
However, I still have some questions
- Am I ever allowed to gamble again?
- Can my bank advisor deal with me the way he did? The words were really sharp and harsh. Does he have the right to throw such statements in my face based on my sales?
- To what extent is it any of my bank's business where I send my money and what I spend it on?
- When does this disgusting, uncomfortable, oppressive feeling go away when I think about gambling?
Thank you all!
Greetings
Carsten
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So the gambling or the Gambling addiction will always accompany you, so the best way to help you is with the options mentioned.
And yes, of course, it is anonymous and free of charge, the hospital stay is covered by the health insurance. You don't need to worry about that at first, the responsible people at the Caritas counseling center will help you or apply for everything for you
I find the behavior of the bank employee outrageous and you can also forward or request a new consultant
On the last point, this is individual and always depends on you, your character, discipline, etc.. Everything is addressed and treated during the counseling or rehab.
The most important thing is not to drive yourself crazy with thoughts. See to it that you make an appointment with the addiction counseling, then you first talk through your situation and then you will be helped.
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That's what I thought. Once you are addicted to gambling, you are susceptible to it for life, right?
Why are there people who have it completely under control? If I make up my mind that I'm only going to spend 50 euros, it quickly turns into 150+, even though I can use the money. I don't know what I'm thinking... Maybe I'm just hoping for a huge win or thinking that I can get rich this way, but I'm gambling my whole life away. I'm beginning to think that gambling has even made me depressed. You can't do anything because you're broke and you keep thinking about how things could have been better.
As I said before I will see to it that I get an appointment for a counseling session and will officially be able to talk to someone about it. Can also gladly report here about how it went. Self therapy is likely to make you fall off the wagon, right?
@Manfrede4
No, of course you are partly right! Nevertheless, it is under all sow to finish someone on the phone because of his sales. I don't have to justify myself to my consultant where my money goes. Such a conversation could have been much more professional. Of course it's annoying when I call them every week and ask for my overdraft to be adjusted up and down again and again, but that's their damn job. Then I get to hear that it's totally annoying to serve me - if all his customers were like me, then he wouldn't get shit anymore etc.
I have to say that I don't have any problems except for financial worries. I am physically healthy and have a great job. I like my work and my life - if it weren't for the financial worries and the gambling addiction, everything would be perfect.... It's also true that the brain switches off. You just stop thinking and you're in the gamble flow and you can't get out of it until you've gambled away all your money and then you're in despair. Sleepless nights are standard for me...
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So good book I can recommend by M. Trojan: "Who wins when you lose".
Opens one's eyes from a more complex point of view than an addict does. I haven't read it all the way through.
So if you feel like gambling, just go for a walk outside and try to stay tough. Block online banking.
Your bank or the advisor is but quite strict
I have my payments just not quite under control but that will come back !
Please try to avoid that you umpteen times nen amount by SOFORT or otherwise deposited... that just looks totally like you do not have you under control
Actually, I would rather say, the consultant has nothing to say to you ...
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