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News & Notices: Payment of Citizen's Income account (Page 2)

Topic created on 28th Mar. 2025 | Page: 2 of 5 | Answers: 70 | Views: 3,225
Butterbrezel
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 07:40 pm CET#16
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Manni wrote on 28.03.2025 at 13:59: Hello, I have a problem again . My mother has been playing in the casino for years, unfortunately she is addicted but we have it under control. She goes to work and has 200€ a month for it. When the halls were closed because of Corona, she wanted to play in the online casino. But she doesn't have online banking so I opened an account for her and she deposits via my account. She tells me when she wants to play and then what she deposits, then she gets the tan from me and she can get started, it's been like that for years. Unfortunately I've been at home for
2 years at home due to health problems and receive a citizen's allowance. My mother had a payout of €2000 4 months ago, it went into my account. I then forwarded it directly to her as it was by real time transfer and also forwarded the casino win. To be honest, I didn't even think about the citizen's allowance. Now she won almost €9,000 4 days ago and wants to have it paid out . . Then my sister said that there would be problems with the Jobcenter if they saw it on the bank statements. I'm forwarding the sum in the same way and my mother would also confirm it. Pfff now I'm scared that they'll cancel everything when they see it on the statements and my mother is angry. It went badly .... You can't change the payment method or the bank account either, we've already asked. Do you have any ideas?

Hi Manni,


the first question is: Which casino is it?
If it is an illegal one, your bank, which knows that you are receiving citizen's money, will sooner or later cause problems because they have a reporting obligation. If it is a legal casino with a DE license, this is not a problem.

The 2nd question: Is the online casino in your mother's name or in your name?
If the bank and the casino are in your name, the Jobcenter can be a bitch. Forwarding the win to your mother would do nothing. Then you definitely have to report the win as yours if you want to be on the safe side and don't want to be suspected of benefit fraud.

If the casino is in your mother's name and the payout was still made to your bank account, it's difficult to make a recommendation.

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gamble1
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 09:02 pm CET#17
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Butterbrezel wrote on March 28, 2025 at 7:40 pm:

Hi Manni,


the 1st question is: Which casino is it?
If it is an illegal one, your bank, which knows that you are receiving citizen's money, will sooner or later cause problems because they have a reporting obligation. If it is a legal casino with a DE license, this is not a problem.

The 2nd question: Is the online casino in your mother's name or in your name?
If the bank and the casino are in your name, the Jobcenter can be a bitch. Forwarding the win to your mother would do nothing. Then you definitely have to report the win as yours if you want to be on the safe side and don't want to be suspected of benefit fraud.

If the casino is in your mother's name and the payout was still made to your bank account, it's difficult to make a recommendation.

I think without an affidavit, they won't accept it if the casino account is in his name. Let's be honest, even if the TE really has this problem - the excuse "doesn't belong to me" is one of the oldest that the Jobcenter probably hears a hundred times a day.

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MisterL
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 10:49 pm CET#18
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Try using a different German iban. From Jeton or Revolut N26. Myfinity

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Harz5753
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 11:57 pm CET#19
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Guys....
I'll give you a tip...

Use coinbase and PayPal.
And then use the prepaid credit card from coinbase and payments can then be withdrawn from the coinbase account by credit card.
You don't have to use your bank details anywhere, just make some cash on PayPal, you can also have it sent to you by friends.
And then it's best to play at crypto casinos.

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Darkresu85
Rookie

Payment of Citizen's Income account

29th Mar. 2025, at 01:42 am CET#20
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Harz5753 wrote on 28.03.2025 at 23:57: Leute....
I'll give you a tip...

Use coinbase and PayPal.
And then use the prepaid credit card from coinbase and payments can then be withdrawn from the coinbase account by credit card.
You don't have to use your bank details anywhere, just make some cash on PayPal, you can also have it sent to you by friends.
And then it's best to play at crypto casinos.


Coinbase has also changed a lot. You should read up on it.

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roccoammo11
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

29th Mar. 2025, at 09:46 am CET#21
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For an application for continued approval, you must submit bank statements for the last 3 months or in some cases even for the last 6 months...anything outside of this period is actually not possible to find out from the Jobcenter. Unless there is a suspicion. However, I would be more worried about my account & because of a charge of illegal gambling

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Malganes
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

29th Mar. 2025, at 12:29 pm CET#22
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Harz5753 wrote on 28.03.2025 at 23:57: Leute....
I'll give you a tip...

Use coinbase and PayPal.
And then use the prepaid credit card from coinbase and payments can then be withdrawn from the coinbase account by credit card.
You don't have to use your bank details anywhere, just make some cash on PayPal, you can also have it sent to you by friends.
And then it's best to play at crypto casinos.

Darkresu85 wrote on 29.03.2025 at 01:42: In


Coinbase has also changed a lot. You should read up on it.

Right, it's not really a good Tip as far as Coinbase is concerned. I would stay away from Coinbase and Bitpanda in the future. There are still alternatives, such as Nexo, Crypto.com, SpectroCoin, etc. Just find out what they have to offer.


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Xavi22
Expert

Payment of Citizen's Income account

30th Mar. 2025, at 07:23 pm CEST#23
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In the meantime, many wallets have actually switched over.

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tsrvtech
Amateur

Payment of Citizen's Income account

30th Mar. 2025, at 08:47 pm CEST#24
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Well, I can tell you that the JC's are now pretty "sharp dogs" when it comes to gambling winnings.

Don't use PayPal, as soon as something from your PP account appears on any of your bank statements you have to disclose it.

I've seen it all "live" in my immediate circle of acquaintances.

A payout from a casino to the citizen's allowance recipient's account. Account statements were checked, so you have to disclose everything.

The worst thing was that the JC wanted a transaction overview of all OC accounts afterwards. The JC is of the opinion that all wins that occur during a session are taken into account, regardless of whether they have been gambled or paid out

These are then deducted from the citizen's allowance (minus an allowance of 30€ LOL)

If they request the statements for the period, the JC will, in my opinion, not accept your story and reduce your Bürgi.

Edit by Julian: Part of the message had to be removed for security reasons (Please do not communicate such "advice" publicly in the forum)

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Comingsoon19
Experienced

Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 06:55 am CEST#25
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I can only advise against using PayPal for the Citizen's Income. The money from Paypal is also deducted from the citizen's allowance.



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Xavi22
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 07:36 am CEST#26
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Comingsoon19 wrote on 31.03.2025 at 06:55: I can only advise against using PayPal for the Citizen's Income. The money from Paypal is then also counted towards the citizen's allowance.




And that's probably a good thing. If you receive ɓürgergeld, you should do something else with it and not play.

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Druff
Amateur

Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 09:33 am CEST#27
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Xavi22 wrote on 03/31/2025 07:36:

And I guess that's a good thing. If you get ɓürgergeld, you should do something else with it and not play.


Who said that? You? What and who do you think you are that YOU can judge and decide what he can do with HIS money? Simply disgusting!

Who do you think you are ?

Do you want to tell him what he can eat and drink? Do you want to tell him how many sheets of toilet paper he is allowed to use and how many layers are necessary and allowed?



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RedKaos
Top Member

Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 09:34 am CEST#28
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Manni wrote on 28.03.2025 at 13:59: Hello, I have a problem again . My mother has been playing in the casino for years, unfortunately she is addicted but we have it under control. She goes to work and has 200€ a month for it. When the halls were closed because of Corona, she wanted to play in the online casino. But she doesn't have online banking so I opened an account for her and she deposits via my account. She tells me when she wants to play and then what she deposits, then she gets the tan from me and she can get started, it's been like that for years. Unfortunately I've been at home for
2 years at home due to health problems and receive a citizen's allowance. My mother had a payout of €2000 4 months ago, it went into my account. I then forwarded it directly to her as it was by real time transfer and also forwarded the casino win. To be honest, I didn't even think about the citizen's allowance. Now she won almost €9,000 4 days ago and wants to have it paid out . . Then my sister said that there would be problems with the Jobcenter if they saw it on the bank statements. I'm forwarding the sum in the same way and my mother would also confirm it. Pfff now I'm scared that they'll cancel everything when they see it on the statements and my mother is angry. It went badly .... You can't change the payment method or the bank account either, we've already asked. Do you have any ideas?

And if you make a Paysafe account and Deposit something via Paysafe to pay it out there. Then you can apply for a card there and withdraw the money from there or transfer it to her from there.

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Zockerbernd
Amateur

Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 09:42 am CEST#29
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Druff wrote on 03/31/2025 09:33:


Who said that? You? What and who do you think you are that YOU can judge and determine what he can do with HIS money? Simply disgusting!

Do you want to tell him what he can eat and drink? Do you want to tell him how many sheets of toilet paper he is allowed to use and how many layers are necessary and allowed?




Whether this is really your own money is debatable, but the fact is that €550 a month is not enough to gamble with, especially since you are not allowed to keep any wins? So is it pointless? With the lottery, I can perhaps understand it, because you have the chance to win millions or enough to get out of the draw and be able to feed and support yourself. But in German casinos you can't win more than €1000, which is already an unrealistic win amount for German casinos and they won't help you get out of the draw. I know you most likely mean the principle, but it just doesn't make sense. On the contrary, with all the great laws, the GGL should have actually also stipulated that you have to present the German online casino with an employment contract/pension certificate/other creditworthiness before you are allowed to play so that people who have no money anyway don't sink their few bucks that they actually need for food from the citizen's allowance into the German stalls every month and I believe that the gray figure is very very high of Germans who receive citizen's allowance lose far too much in German Online Casinos, which makes the tax cycle ridiculous.

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Druff
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

31st Mar. 2025, at 09:57 am CEST#30
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Zockerbernd wrote on 31.03.2025 at 09:42:
Whether this is really your own money is debatable, the fact is that € 550 a month is not enough to gamble with, especially since you are not allowed to keep any wins? So is it pointless? With the lottery, I can perhaps understand it, because you have the chance to win millions or enough to get out of the draw and be able to feed and support yourself. But in German casinos you can't win more than €1000, which is already an unrealistic win amount for German casinos and they won't help you get out of the draw. I know you most likely mean the principle, but it just doesn't make sense. On the contrary, with all the great laws, the GGL should have actually also stipulated that you have to present the German online casino with an employment contract/pension certificate/other creditworthiness before you are allowed to play so that people who have no money anyway don't sink their few bucks that they actually need for food from the citizen's allowance into the German stalls every month and I believe that the gray figure is very very high of Germans who receive citizen's allowance lose far too much in German Online Casinos, which makes the tax cycle ridiculous.

What is there to argue about? A large proportion of the recipients of the citizen's allowance are employed, but due to the largest low-wage sector in Europe, it is simply not enough.


Of course it's his money, or can I now decide about everyone who has ever received child benefit etc.?

Maybe the member has deposited 30 years and has been made redundant due to age and health, and then some run-of-the-mill person thinks it's his right to judge and dictate to him!

Imagine a member goes to a pub and drinks a beer and smokes, that would be a scandal 🤦

And yes, of course it's about the principle, what kind of person do you have to be to dare to do something like that

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