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News & Notices: GambleJoe: Current state of affairs with the GlüStV (Page 7)

Topic created on 07th Nov. 2022 | Page: 7 of 13 | Answers: 124 | Views: 19,863
gamble1
Legend
Remains only to hope that not the same "experts" sit at the table which we already have to owe this nonsense DE is for gamblers except for casinos only dirt Or I say it again and again the should simply open an OC in the point system like the arcade one pays 100 € and presses every 5 seconds a button and it becomes 1 € to 1 or 100 points then the specifications of the money would be fulfilled and one could but the limits and zocken zb. with 2 3 4 or 200 300 400 points what then 2€ 3€ or 4€ corresponds to That would simply be the lesser evil then you cook on the side and book that already times around can then but in the evening nice and relaxed without 1 € and 5 seconds waiting already play I mean I could in the arcade now Merkur Roulette with 99.50 per spin zocken and only because it is by law no longer money but bits or levels PS: Should such a casino now suddenly appear I take for the idea 40% on all sales otherwise gibts a lawsuit

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Matthias
Expert

Marqes wrote on 11/11/2022 at 18:17

And why don't you care and keep doing what you are doing?

What exactly is your question referring to?

We also had to adapt to the new rules of the game on the German market.
We now only advertise licensed providers in Germany who are on the whitelist.
For members who are in Switzerland, Austria or other countries, our website and also the top lists look different.
And the forum will not be censored, it is still allowed to talk about all gambling providers here.

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Marqes
Expert

Matthias wrote on 11/11/2022 at 18:23

What exactly is your question referring to?

We also had to adapt to the new rules of the game on the German market.
We now only advertise licensed providers in Germany that are on the whitelist.
For members who are in Switzerland, Austria or other countries, our website and also the top lists look different.
And the forum will not be censored, it is still allowed to talk about all gambling providers here.

What would happen if you would not adapt it to the German market?

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Matthias
Expert

Marqes wrote on 11/11/2022 at 21:12

What would happen if you guys didn't adapt it to the German market?

I would appreciate it if you would answer my query first.

You didn't specify your first statement that we would continue as before.

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Marqes
Expert
Matthias wrote on 11/11/2022 at 21:43

I would appreciate it if you would answer my query first.

Your first statement that we would continue as before, you did not namely not concrete.

My apologies.


So my question :
And why don't you care and continue as before?

Was related to that:

The gambling authority from Germany has written to you and said you should block the German players or change your site.


And the question was, why did you do it, why did you change the site etc.? And did not continue as before, so do not change anything and ignore that so seen.
What would happen then?

You are not based in Germany but in Malta.
Are they allowed to do that?

Can they tell you how your site should be designed?
Although you are abroad?

How did this happen?
Did they (the authorities) set up an extra department that searched the Internet and wrote to all the forums and blogs that deal with gambling?
What if one simply does not respond?

You mentioned that you of course with lawyers etc.. Tried to find a solution.
To then be with the forum on the march with all licensed German casinos.

And they did not want as you have written.

So what if the site had remained as it was before.

That's what I meant.
Couldn't you think of that or did you just want it written again in case of being read by the authority?

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R3hab
Expert
Matthias in the end it is better for all, gamix or n1 or or or there are too many black sharp the casinos so brazenly operate that it almost borders on fraud.

The German casinos will still come, just needs its time but at least players and operators are more transparent than how it runs with the malta or Curaçao casinos

Player protection is a big point as well as the conditions to protect yourself from it
Not everyone is the same, for example, I am very pleased because I have experienced so much, and you can not do anything against the arbitrariness of the malta casinos.

Therefore, I am very pleased that advertise these casinos here is now banned for Germany

I am sure that in a year it looks better and you will also earn enough with the German licensed casinos

But what I find good is that you try everything to find a solution
Hope that everything will

Good luck people

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Frankey
Experienced
I think the authorities will relax a few rules. NRW issues extra licenses with which operators may offer online Live Casino games in NRW. Should the 1 euro rule also apply there?

When I look at the whitelist I wonder if the authority checks the providers very closely or whether with some an eye is turned? Are perhaps old acquaintances?😉😉😉 According to October Whitelist 11 licenses have been awarded to date. Alone 4 of them were awarded to companies that belong to Gauselmann Group. Plus half a license as they share a company with Novomatic
One of the companies is Cashpoint Malta Limited. What this Gauselmann subsidiary is up to was revealed by the Paradies Papers. Was in the top results after typing Cashpoint Malta Limited into the search engine
They seem to be serious enough for a German license. Hmm.... probably I need to rethink my definition of 'reputable'.


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Matthias
Expert
Marqes wrote on 11/11/2022 at 10:24 pm
Sorry about that.


So my question :
And why don't you guys care and keep doing what you are doing?

Was related to that:

The gambling authority from Germany has written to you and said you should block the German players or change your site.


And the question was, why did you do it, why did you change the site etc.? And did not continue as before, so do not change anything and ignore that so seen.
What would happen then?

You are not based in Germany but in Malta.
Are they allowed to do that?

Can they tell you how your site should be designed?
Although you are abroad?

How did this happen?
Did they (the authorities) set up an extra department that searched the Internet and wrote to all the forums and blogs that deal with gambling?
What if one simply does not respond?

You mentioned that you of course with lawyers etc.. Have tried to find a solution.
To then be with the forum on the march with all licensed German casinos.

And they did not want as you have written.

So what if the site had remained as it was before.

That's what I meant.
Couldn't you think of that or did you just want it written again in case of being read by the authority?

Your question was " And why don't you care and continue as before?"
Actually, I didn't understand your question as you just described it again.

"And why don't you care" - I understand
"and you continue as before?" - can be read ambiguously, namely also as if you think we would continue as before.
But now I realize what you wanted to know.

It's like this, the Joint Gambling Authority of the Federal States (GGL) regulates the cross-state gambling market in Germany from 1.1.2023. That's how they write it on their website: https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/
In fact, they have a department that checks the Internet and the German-language search hits of various search engines and contacts the various site operators, provided they have an imprint.
That's why I wrote in the first post - it looks to the outside world, especially to us, as if the authority is taking the easy way out and pressuring platforms like ours, while others can just go ahead and hide on Curacao or in Hong Kong.
In the case where one does not cooperate with the authority, i.e. only advertises licensed providers, the authority has the possibility to issue a prohibition order. I.e. you must then comply with the rules of the authority, otherwise a court case is imminent.
If you are found guilty, you could face extraordinarily high fines in the 6-digit range.
In order to avoid this written prohibition order in our case, we tried to work out compromises and solutions with our lawyers. One suggestion was that we remove all gambling providers who are not interested in a license, but at the same time we can apply for a license for all those providers who can prove that they have applied for a license and that the license application has a chance of being granted. However, in our case, the authority was not ready for compromises.
Of course, they could have continued as before and let it come to a court hearing, but who would have been served by that. We asked ourselves this question. In the end, there is always the Risk that a judge will make an incomprehensible decision, the tide will turn against us, we will have to appeal, and the drama will drag on for years.
We did not want to go through this procedure, the associated headaches and the financial expenses.
It was more important to us that we could continue to operate this forum and platform, even though we were aware that this change would be a challenge economically.

Nevertheless, we even welcome the fact that the online gambling market in Germany is being regulated - if the regulation were also comprehensible, fair and effective. Unfortunately, regulation is currently only driving more players into the black market and crypto-casinos.
I also cannot understand why it is possible to play with 100 euros per spin in German state-run casinos with virtually no limit. Without any Deposit limit and with alcohol being served at the slot machine. From my own experience and observation, I can say that the staff are not the least bit interested if you sink 5,000 euros in the machine within an hour. In my view, this has nothing to do with the prevention of gambling addiction.

Therefore, we also hope that the GGL staff will eventually heed our advice and adapt the existing rules to give licensed providers a chance to keep up with the black market offers.
Raising the 1 euro limit to 5 euros per spin would be attractive.
In addition, I can understand that the authority wants to prevent quickspins on slots, because the addictive effect on the brain cannot be neglected. The risk of addiction increases with the speed of the game, because it definitely has an impact on how quickly success (or failure) can be achieved after the amount of money is set.
The faster the game runs, the more likely you are to lose control over your own gambling behavior and the money you set. Everything is correct so far.
With regard to the goal of the gambling treaty, namely the channeling of the gambling impulse into regulated offers, an adjustment of the 5-second rule to 2 seconds should nevertheless be considered in order to make an attractive and competitive gambling offer possible.
An hourly break of 5 minutes is understandable in my opinion and the deposit limit of 1,000 euros per month should also be sufficient for the normal player to satisfy the normal gambling instinct.
Nevertheless, there should be the possibility to have the limit set individually with a short proof of assets.

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Marqes
Expert

Matthias wrote on 12.11.2022 at 14:11
Your question was " And why don't you care and keep doing what you are doing?"
Actually, I didn't understand your question as you just portrayed it again.

"And why don't you care" - I understand
"and you continue as before?" - can be read ambiguously, namely also as if you think we would continue as before.
But now I realize what you wanted to know.

It's like this, the Joint Gambling Authority of the Federal States (GGL) regulates the cross-state gambling market in Germany from 1.1.2023. That's how they write it on their website: https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/
In fact, they have a department that checks the Internet and the German-language search hits of various search engines and contacts the various site operators, provided they have an imprint.
That's why I wrote in the first post - it looks to the outside world, especially to us, as if the authority is taking the easy way out and pressuring platforms like ours, while others can just go ahead and hide on Curacao or in Hong Kong.
In the case where one does not cooperate with the authority, i.e. only advertises licensed providers, the authority has the possibility to issue a prohibition order. I.e. you must then comply with the rules of the authority, otherwise a court case is imminent.
If you are found guilty, you could face extraordinarily high fines in the 6-digit range.
In order to avoid this written prohibition order in our case, we tried to work out compromises and solutions with our lawyers. One suggestion was that we remove all gambling providers who are not interested in a license, but at the same time we can apply for a license for all those providers who can prove that they have applied for a license and that the license application has a chance of being granted. However, in our case, the authority was not ready for compromises.
Of course, they could have continued as before and let it come to a court hearing, but who would have been served by that. We asked ourselves this question. In the end, there is always the Risk that a judge will make an incomprehensible decision, the tide will turn against us, we will have to appeal, and the drama will drag on for years.
We did not want to go through this procedure, the associated headaches and the financial expenses.
It was more important to us that we could continue to operate this forum and platform, even though we were aware that this change would be a challenge economically.

Nevertheless, we even welcome the fact that the online gambling market in Germany is being regulated - if the regulation were also comprehensible, fair and effective. Unfortunately, regulation is currently only driving more players into the black market and crypto-casinos.
I also cannot understand why it is possible to play with 100 euros per spin in German state-run casinos with virtually no limit. Without any Deposit limit and with alcohol being served at the slot machine. From my own experience and observation, I can say that the staff are not the least bit interested if you sink 5,000 euros in the machine within an hour. In my view, this has nothing to do with the prevention of gambling addiction.

Therefore, we also hope that the GGL staff will eventually heed our advice and adapt the existing rules to give licensed providers a chance to keep up with the black market offers.
Raising the 1 euro limit to 5 euros per spin would be attractive.
In addition, I can understand that the authority wants to prevent quickspins on slots, because the addictive effect on the brain cannot be neglected. The risk of addiction increases with the speed of the game, because it definitely has an impact on how quickly success (or failure) can be achieved after the amount of money is set.
The faster the game runs, the more likely you are to lose control over your own gambling behavior and the money you set. Everything is correct so far.
With regard to the goal of the gambling treaty, namely the channeling of the gambling impulse into regulated offers, an adjustment of the 5-second rule to 2 seconds should nevertheless be considered in order to make an attractive and competitive gambling offer possible.
An hourly break of 5 minutes is understandable in my opinion and the deposit limit of 1,000 euros per month should also be sufficient for the normal player to satisfy the normal gambling instinct.
Nevertheless, there should be the possibility, with a short proof of assets, that limit can be set individually.

Thank you for the long and detailed answer.

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gamble1
Legend

Matthias wrote on 12.11.2022 at 14:11
Your question was " And why don't you care and keep doing what you are doing?"
Actually, I didn't understand your question as you just portrayed it again.

"And why don't you care" - I understand
"and you continue as before?" - can be read ambiguously, namely also as if you think we would continue as before.
But now I realize what you wanted to know.

It's like this, the Joint Gambling Authority of the Federal States (GGL) regulates the cross-state gambling market in Germany from 1.1.2023. That's how they write it on their website: https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/
In fact, they have a department that checks the Internet and the German-language search hits of various search engines and contacts the various site operators, provided they have an imprint.
That's why I wrote in the first post - it looks to the outside world, especially to us, as if the authority is taking the easy way out and pressuring platforms like ours, while others can just go ahead and hide on Curacao or in Hong Kong.
In the case where one does not cooperate with the authority, i.e. only advertises licensed providers, the authority has the possibility to issue a prohibition order. I.e. you must then comply with the rules of the authority, otherwise a court case is imminent.
If you are found guilty, you could face extraordinarily high fines in the 6-digit range.
In order to avoid this written prohibition order in our case, we tried to work out compromises and solutions with our lawyers. One suggestion was that we remove all gambling providers who are not interested in a license, but at the same time we can apply for a license for all those providers who can prove that they have applied for a license and that the license application has a chance of being granted. However, in our case, the authority was not ready for compromises.
Of course, they could have continued as before and let it come to a court hearing, but who would have been served by that. We asked ourselves this question. In the end, there is always the Risk that a judge will make an incomprehensible decision, the tide will turn against us, we will have to appeal, and the drama will drag on for years.
We did not want to go through this procedure, the associated headaches and the financial expenses.
It was more important to us that we could continue to operate this forum and platform, even though we were aware that this change would be a challenge economically.

Nevertheless, we even welcome the fact that the online gambling market in Germany is being regulated - if the regulation were also comprehensible, fair and effective. Unfortunately, regulation is currently only driving more players into the black market and crypto-casinos.
I also cannot understand why it is possible to play with 100 euros per spin in German state-run casinos with virtually no limit. Without any Deposit limit and with alcohol being served at the slot machine. From my own experience and observation, I can say that the staff are not the least bit interested if you sink 5,000 euros in the machine within an hour. In my view, this has nothing to do with the prevention of gambling addiction.

Therefore, we also hope that the GGL staff will eventually heed our advice and adapt the existing rules to give licensed providers a chance to keep up with the black market offers.
Raising the 1 euro limit to 5 euros per spin would be attractive.
In addition, I can understand that the authority wants to prevent quickspins on slots, because the addictive effect on the brain cannot be neglected. The risk of addiction increases with the speed of the game, because it definitely has an impact on how quickly success (or failure) can be achieved after the amount of money is set.
The faster the game runs, the more likely you are to lose control over your own gambling behavior and the money you set. Everything is correct so far.
With regard to the goal of the gambling treaty, namely the channeling of the gambling impulse into regulated offers, an adjustment of the 5-second rule to 2 seconds should nevertheless be considered in order to make an attractive and competitive gambling offer possible.
An hourly break of 5 minutes is understandable in my opinion and the deposit limit of 1,000 euros per month should also be sufficient for the normal player to satisfy the normal gambling instinct.
Nevertheless, there should be the possibility to have the limit set individually with a short proof of assets.

Just the point with the casinos speaks to me from the soul that is it exactly brought to the point what I always say this hypocrisy just because the one is private and the other state there it should be no one surprised if the people think it's only about the dear money

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