vivera365 wrote on 10/11/2017 at 14:44: But someone will make jumps in the air ! A question about the Risk rating : What and in what form is actually checked there ?
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I can't tell you in detail either. But all regulatory authorities in Europe have to prevent money laundering or require regulated Online Casinos to do so. All banks and other financial services companies have to do this as well.
I think it's simply a matter of establishing identity. Who is depositing and withdrawing how much. Or who pays out higher amounts. The same applies to German casinos as of late. But a winning number of 2,000 € and more, you have to present your ID again.
This is to prevent criminals from laundering illegal drug money in online casinos and bringing it into the normal economic cycle.
Personally, I see there but (without having dealt exactly with the matter) relatively little sense - you may like to enlighten me!
If Pablo Escobar now has 1 million euros in cash from drug deals at home (and it is about large amounts of money laundering), then it must be able to justify this money, because otherwise he can not buy a villa. He has to explain where the money comes from. Now, Pablo could Deposit money in online casinos, gamble 10% of it and withdraw 90% of it and claim he got his fortune through gambling. But how you can guard high amounts with Paysafecards is a mystery to me. At least that would be extremely costly. And if the money is already in bank accounts, then it is usually already washed clean.
It makes more sense to open restaurants and then artificially increase sales. It's not so tax-efficient, but at least it's safer for the criminals. That's why the Italian Mafiosi in the Mafia movies always have their restaurants. How you can wash your money in online casinos in practice is a mystery to me. After all, everything is documented. When someone has deposited money, what he has won and so on. I see there the money laundering danger in casinos rather given. But maybe one knows more or has an explanatory approach.
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10th Nov. 2017, at 04:26 pm CET#2
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So with this topic I came once in contact with StarGames.I wanted to cash out ca1300€ - had deposited sometime before from a 2.bank account.So verify again, no problem.After 1 week did nothing. I called then times at the support and they explained to me that on the part of the casino nothing would stand in the way of a payout but with the Verification of a 2nd account in connection with a slightly higher payout is bound to certain regulations - which are specified by the Maltese regulatory authority in detail.The employee of the support also told me that you have to explicitly adhere to it because they are relatively strict in such things with the casinos.how these criteria look like, however, he did not tell me.anyway, it took a good 14 days.after that everything was ok and all subsequent withdrawals went faster again.
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10th Nov. 2017, at 04:56 pm CET#3
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Yes, these are money laundering laws. But I wonder in general how you can launder money in Online Casinos in practice (with or without regulations). Actually, only if you Deposit huge amounts of money via PSC (which fails because you can not buy 10,000 PSCs) and then only 5-10% of it gambles and the rest is paid out as a win.
If money is in a bank account, then it is usually already laundered or would be checked by the bank itself. They have similar requirements.
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10th Nov. 2017, at 05:07 pm CET#4
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Well if you get every day 10•100 € PSC you can wash maybe 30 Mille a month - rather what for the middle class 😬 How that should go with really high sums - no idea! Do we have perhaps an investment - or tax advisor in the forum ???
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10th Nov. 2017, at 05:08 pm CET#5
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There you can see how honest we are that we do not know that !!!! 😃😃😃
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10th Nov. 2017, at 06:11 pm CET#6
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You underestimate here a little the criminal energy. Why exactly only 10x100 euros a day? I can get 10x100 euros in 20 minutes
Calculate times rather 50 or more on the day. Of course only calculated on one person. So a single person can buy 150k paysafe in a month without problems. 10 people 1.5 million etc
Additionally: who says that it should happen in one month? Then stretch it out to 6 months or 1 year so it's more secure
So the implementation to launder money in an online casino is very simple. You always have to think that if I have, for example, 10 million lying here that I want to launder, then I do it slowly and steadily. As long as you get to your goal in the end, the criminal should not care
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10th Nov. 2017, at 06:50 pm CET#7
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Well, if you calculate like that, HammerDammer is right, of course. And that Vivera knows how the rabbit runs was already clear to me before. He is also the Al Capone of GambleJoe.
But let's be honest. I find it easier to open a few restaurants (or a few gambling halls). That's a more comfortable, quicker and more credible way to launder money.
Everybody knows that you can't win at gambling in the long run and you can win a million at most once in an exceptional case at Hall of Gods. So if now Judge XY suspects that Pablo Escobar from Castrop-Rauxel is laundering money in online casinos. Then you can find out about the gaming behavior (everything is migelogged) at any time. If he constantly deposits 1,000 € a day and 900 € out again, then there is something strange and there was then also no win, because he stopped playing shortly after the deposit. Somehow I still see no way how to launder money credibly in online casinos.
Then rather in casinos. You go in, cashed 20.000€ and get the 20K paid out right away and shout, yay I won and get a receipt. And then different people do that every day. That is more credible. Whereby it is also noticeable at some point if 20,000€ and more are won every day.
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10th Nov. 2017, at 07:10 pm CET#8
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Well, cleverly distributed throughout Germany or even better throughout Europe, this could work with the casinos...... and no I don't know how the hare runs - not at all 😀
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10th Nov. 2017, at 07:38 pm CET#9
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Daniel wrote on 11/10/2017 at 3:11 PM
I think it is simply a matter of establishing identity. Who is depositing and withdrawing how much. Or who pays out higher amounts. The same applies yes recently to German casinos. But a winning number of 2,000 € and more, you have to present your ID again.
but I only know that because they then check whether the person is not blocked, then they would not have to pay out anything
is there a list for riskrating, so what better rated, so where it is paid out faster processed eg Skrill in contrast to bank, paysafe etc..
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Iseedeadpeople wrote on 10/11/2017 at 19:38
Daniel wrote on 10/11/2017 at 15:11
I think it is simply a matter of establishing identity. Who is depositing and withdrawing how much. Or who is paying out higher amounts. The same applies yes recently to German casinos. But a winning number of 2,000€ and more, you have to show your ID again.
but I only know that because they then check whether the person is not blocked, then they would not have to pay out anything
is there a list for riskrating, so what better rated, so where it is paid out faster processed eg Skrill in contrast to bank, paysafe etc.
Seriously. Riskrating or not and whatever you have to consider there as an online casino. The fact is that there are Online Casinos that pay out within a few hours or less minutes (no matter with which payment method and although they have the same conditions). And then there are casinos that pay out slowly. Whatever the reason (poorly organized, bad staff or stalling tactics). In my opinion, the Risk rating is not really an excuse for payouts that drag on for days or weeks.
Nevertheless, it is interesting to find out why such regulations exist and what sense they are supposed to have in practice.
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I would like to answer as follows and thus bring this interesting thread to life
I can't tell you in detail either. But all regulatory authorities in Europe have to prevent money laundering or require regulated Online Casinos to do so. All banks and other financial services companies have to do this as well.
I think it's simply a matter of establishing identity. Who is depositing and withdrawing how much. Or who pays out higher amounts. The same applies to German casinos as of late. But a winning number of 2,000 € and more, you have to present your ID again.
This is to prevent criminals from laundering illegal drug money in online casinos and bringing it into the normal economic cycle.
Personally, I see there but (without having dealt exactly with the matter) relatively little sense - you may like to enlighten me!
If Pablo Escobar now has 1 million euros in cash from drug deals at home (and it is about large amounts of money laundering), then it must be able to justify this money, because otherwise he can not buy a villa. He has to explain where the money comes from. Now, Pablo could Deposit money in online casinos, gamble 10% of it and withdraw 90% of it and claim he got his fortune through gambling. But how you can guard high amounts with Paysafecards is a mystery to me. At least that would be extremely costly. And if the money is already in bank accounts, then it is usually already washed clean.
It makes more sense to open restaurants and then artificially increase sales. It's not so tax-efficient, but at least it's safer for the criminals. That's why the Italian Mafiosi in the Mafia movies always have their restaurants. How you can wash your money in online casinos in practice is a mystery to me. After all, everything is documented. When someone has deposited money, what he has won and so on. I see there the money laundering danger in casinos rather given. But maybe one knows more or has an explanatory approach.
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If money is in a bank account, then it is usually already laundered or would be checked by the bank itself. They have similar requirements.
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Calculate times rather 50 or more on the day. Of course only calculated on one person. So a single person can buy 150k paysafe in a month without problems. 10 people 1.5 million etc
Additionally: who says that it should happen in one month? Then stretch it out to 6 months or 1 year so it's more secure
So the implementation to launder money in an online casino is very simple. You always have to think that if I have, for example, 10 million lying here that I want to launder, then I do it slowly and steadily. As long as you get to your goal in the end, the criminal should not care
PS: Vivera knows exactly how the rabbit runs here
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But let's be honest. I find it easier to open a few restaurants (or a few gambling halls). That's a more comfortable, quicker and more credible way to launder money.
Everybody knows that you can't win at gambling in the long run and you can win a million at most once in an exceptional case at Hall of Gods. So if now Judge XY suspects that Pablo Escobar from Castrop-Rauxel is laundering money in online casinos. Then you can find out about the gaming behavior (everything is migelogged) at any time. If he constantly deposits 1,000 € a day and 900 € out again, then there is something strange and there was then also no win, because he stopped playing shortly after the deposit. Somehow I still see no way how to launder money credibly in online casinos.
Then rather in casinos. You go in, cashed 20.000€ and get the 20K paid out right away and shout, yay I won and get a receipt. And then different people do that every day. That is more credible. Whereby it is also noticeable at some point if 20,000€ and more are won every day.
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but I only know that because they then check whether the person is not blocked, then they would not have to pay out anything
is there a list for riskrating, so what better rated, so where it is paid out faster processed eg Skrill in contrast to bank, paysafe etc..
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Seriously. Riskrating or not and whatever you have to consider there as an online casino. The fact is that there are Online Casinos that pay out within a few hours or less minutes (no matter with which payment method and although they have the same conditions). And then there are casinos that pay out slowly. Whatever the reason (poorly organized, bad staff or stalling tactics). In my opinion, the Risk rating is not really an excuse for payouts that drag on for days or weeks.
Nevertheless, it is interesting to find out why such regulations exist and what sense they are supposed to have in practice.
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