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Conspiracy theories: Are there casinos that almost never pay anything? (Page 11)

Topic created on 20th Jun. 2019 | Page: 11 of 11 | Answers: 109 | Views: 20,889
skyro
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 01:13 am CET#101
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chriss1808 wrote on 09.01.2020 at 01:00: maybe a calculator to crack the algorithm?

every machine has certain phases in which it gives more good lines and the free spins come and also after these free spins more, then comes a feeding phase, there is nothing funny about it, if you do not believe it then you just do not believe it...


but what's the point of counting after how many spins free spins come? It can come in 100 spins 5 times free spins and then 500 rounds nothing more...

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Anonym

Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 01:18 am CET#102
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skyro wrote on 09.01.2020 at 01:13
every machine has certain phases in which it gives increased good lines and the free spins come and also after these free spins more, then comes a feeding phase, there is nothing funny about it, if you do not believe it then you just do not believe it...


but what's the point of counting after how many spins free spins come? It can come in 100 spins 5 times free spins and then 500 rounds nothing more...

i know that, I have also counted and noticed.

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skyro
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 01:37 am CET#103
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Herould wrote on 09/01/2020 at 01:18 PM

i know that, i also counted and noticed.

^^ you're kidding right??? Are you serious? xDD

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Anonym

Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 01:52 am CET#104
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skyro wrote on 09.01.2020 at 01:37

^^ you're kidding right??? Are you serious? xDD

but this is my serious no joke

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MarcT22186
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 01:55 am CET#105
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skyro wrote on 09.01.2020 at 01:13
every machine has certain phases in which it gives increased good lines and the free spins come and also after these free spins more, then comes a feeding phase, there is nothing funny about it, if you do not believe it then you just do not believe it...


but what's the point of counting after how many spins free spins come? It can come in 100 spins 5 times free spins and then 500 rounds nothing more...

Counting certainly brings 0, alone because when counting manually errors creep in! With nem tracker can be useful to see if possibly my BR for the average-max. is enough.
Sure Freespins can always be, but bspw. nen BTG Slot or BoD with 10€ BR on 50cent / spin to play, ends again in one of the countless threads where it is complained that after 20 spins no feature with x1000 win comes out.
This can be a great help for people with a smaller budget - so that you can have fun playing for longer than 5 minutes.
However, it takes time to build a reasonable and meaningful database

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Dbac79
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 03:12 am CET#106
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Herould wrote on 09.01.2020 at 00:55

wHY? I play that way and have success with it.try it.

so I've had to wait in almost every game several hundred spins until free spins came and then the next spin were free spins again

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MarcT22186
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 04:03 am CET#107
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illmnzi wrote on 09.01.2020 at 00:38




Hi, no offense, but you don't understand RTP either

The RTP (according to MGA) is the average "payout" to a player (is not called return to players but to player) over a year (as a rule, the MGA can also specify a different period or number of spins for certain games).

Here I have already written in more detail:
https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/es-wird-langsam-lacherlich-95589/8/#p96005


Looking forward to someone from gamblejoe who may correct me.



Here I want...!

The RTP is a bit more complex and a very theoretical number. Important to know is that player in this case is a designation and neither singular, nor plural!

In principle you are right, a slot with a RTP of 95% theoretically pays back to each player 95% of his stake - very theoretically.
There is a much bigger factor at work here and that is the Variance! Because of this alone, the RTP cannot be singular! It is unbelievable (I just googled it) how many sites on the net more or less want to fool the players by presenting the RTP as a "safe value" and simply ignore the variance completely...

Basically it is like this for every slot: variance beats RTP. The RTP itself is not a fixed and testable quantity (see mga and UKGC regulations) and is also not tested more closely in the measured periods. There are technical specifications and test runs for this. If the measured value is e.g. annual and after 3 days before "completion" the RTP is only (exaggeratedly said) 80% due to the variance at this point in time, then that's just the way it is
There is and must be NO mathematical adjustment, because otherwise the slots would be rigged. However, it can and will just as well be the case that a slot is significantly above the RTP
In addition, there is the possibility of different bet sizes, which finally shoot the RTP from the "per individual player" perspective

In short: RTP is always payout of complete pool to all players above a certain "test size". Incidentally, this is also the reason why there is hardly any noticeable difference between 94 and 97% RTP for players in the low- and mid-betsize range

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skyro
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 08:41 am CET#108
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MarcT22186 wrote on 09/01/2020 at 04:03 PM
Here I want...!

The RTP is a bit more complex and a very theoretical number. Important to know is that player in this case is a designation and neither singular, nor plural!

In principle you are right, a slot with a RTP of 95% theoretically pays back to each player 95% of his stake - very theoretically.
There is a much bigger factor at work here and that is the Variance! Because of this alone, the RTP cannot be singular! It is unbelievable (I just googled it) how many sites on the net more or less want to fool the players by presenting the RTP as a "safe value" and simply ignore the variance completely...

Basically it is like this for every slot: variance beats RTP. The RTP itself is not a fixed and testable quantity (see mga and UKGC regulations) and is also not tested more closely in the measured periods. There are technical specifications and test runs for this. If the measured value is e.g. annual and after 3 days before "completion" the RTP is only (exaggeratedly said) 80% due to the variance at this point in time, then that's just the way it is
There is and must be NO mathematical adjustment, because otherwise the slots would be rigged. However, it can and will just as well be the case that a slot is significantly above the RTP
In addition, there is the possibility of different bet sizes, which finally shoot the RTP from the "per individual player" perspective

In short: RTP is always payout of complete pool to all players above a certain "test size". Incidentally, this is also the reason why there is hardly any noticeable difference between 94 and 97% RTP for players in the low- and mid-betsize range

So several players... is at a Slot machine in the arcade also so. Interesting would be just how a RTP is calculated, there must be some test run, I can not simply claim the RTP is at 96% or yet? With Videoslots you can look at which slot over a certain period of time has the best RTP, but now do not make the mistake and play on slots that have 400 percent in the month... who has then usually already had a big throw... the RTP you will never achieve for yourself anyway, I never get in a year of my invested 2000€ even close to 90% back, usually significantly less than 90% rather 50% with luck, but even that varies greatly of course. Thanks for the explanation and really interesting topic.

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MarcT22186
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 09:28 am CET#109
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skyro wrote on 09.01.2020 at 08:41

So but several players... is yes at a Slot machine in the arcade also so. Interesting would be just how a RTP is calculated, there must be some test run, I can not simply claim the RTP is 96% or yet? With Videoslots you can look at which slot over a certain period of time has the best RTP, but now do not make the mistake and play on slots that have 400 percent in the month... who has then usually already had a big throw... the RTP you will never achieve for yourself anyway, I never get in a year of my invested 2000€ even close to 90% back, usually significantly less than 90% rather 50% with luck, but even that varies greatly of course. Thanks for the explanation and really interesting topic.

I know that the netent decrease for Starburst, TwinSpin and Gonzo ran over 100k spins. But that was at times where you could still change the lines at Starburst

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Dbac79
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Are there casinos that almost never pay anything?

9th Jan. 2020, at 03:50 pm CET#110
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i think many think that 95% is a safe bet because only 5% is missing, but that is not the case, even with the rtp of 200% you can lose your money in minutes

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