StarGames_Official wrote on 03/15/2024 12:44 PM:
What have we changed? The bonus system?
That was on Tuesday. Is the statement now that the slots are doing worse in the last 3 days than in the 3 years before?
Nothing has actually been changed in the games.
No, I'm not talking about the bonus system, I mean since you can no longer choose the machine from 1-99 it's been worse! There's nothing to complain about from my side in terms of the bonus system and payout processing
As long as gamle1 and Garfield Deposit there, the gate of Stargate will always remain open That you have to wager the real money again 1x after wagering, that's more brazen than the scam casinos without a license, never experienced anything like it in my whole gambling life
This is the second thread where you've said exactly the same thing, so here we go again
I don't like to play at StarGames because of the great DE rules, but StarGames is the only Provider that offers good service and doesn't treat people in a very arrogant way from above
No matter what you bring as criticism if they can change it they will
Apart from that, I manage to pay out 200 or more from 10-20 € relatively often there and you also get your money very quickly! But I like to pay there just because of the service and even if you don't get rich there in the sense of I have now paid out 20k, in my eyes, if you are bound by the DE rules, it is the provider where it is most worthwhile to earn money
gamble1 wrote on 18.03.2024 at 14:06:
This is now the second thread where you meant exactly the same thing so here we go again
I like to gamble at StarGames not because of the great DE rules but StarGames is the only Provider that offers good service and doesn't treat people from above all cocky
No matter what you bring as criticism if they can change it they will
Apart from that, I manage to pay out 200 or more from 10-20 € relatively often there and you also get your money very quickly! But I like to pay there just because of the service and even if you don't get rich there in the sense of I have now paid out 20k, in my eyes, if you are bound by the DE rules, it is the provider where it is most worthwhile to earn money
i personally can only agree with that, of all the licensed casinos i almost only gamble at starGames, precisely because of the points you mentioned. i especially like the lightning-fast payouts, the battles and the good service (if you have any problems they deal with them immediately). especially for me as a Low Roller (i only ever Deposit 10-max 20€), stargames is currently the best DE casino on the market. and if you win, you get your money in a flash and without any problems. that's what's most important to me personally.
gamble1 wrote on 18.03.2024 at 14:06:
This is now the second thread where you meant exactly the same thing so here we go again
I like to gamble at StarGames not because of the great DE rules but StarGames is the only Provider that offers good service and doesn't treat people from above all cocky
No matter what you bring as criticism if they can change it they will
Apart from that, I manage to pay out 200 or more from 10-20 € relatively often there and you also get your money very quickly! But I like to pay there just because of the service and even if you don't get rich there in the sense of I have now paid out 20k, in my eyes, if you are bound by the DE rules, it is the provider where it is most worthwhile to earn money
So if someone wants to fob me off with inhuman payout rates like StarGames, then I feel like I'm being treated arrogantly from above and taken for a fool.
It's like a bank employee trying to sell you a usurious loan with 20% annual interest. Of course he's nice and helpful, but in reality you're just a sacrificial lamb to him.
If you continue to play there regularly, I wonder if you'll still be so happy with your pay-in/pay-out balance in 1-2 years' time.
It may be that StarGames should be respected here in the forum, but you shouldn't forget that StarGames=Greentube=Novomatic, and they, together with the Gauselmann family, have forced their online casino rip-off offer on us and taken a piece of freedom away from every gambler in Germany.
DarkSecret20 wrote on 18.03.2024 at 15:46: Unfortunately I have to disagree, I only have very negative experiences with StarGames at the moment and am even about to take legal action.
Since you also wrote to us via Communicator, we will try to clarify your questions directly there.
mtorero wrote on 18.03.2024 at 16:19:
So if someone wants to fob me off with inhuman payout odds like StarGames, then I feel very well treated arrogantly from above and taken for a fool.
It's like a bank employee trying to sell you a usurious loan with 20% annual interest. Of course he's nice and helpful, but in reality you're just a sacrificial lamb to him.
If you continue to play there regularly, I wonder if you'll still be so happy with your pay-in/pay-out balance in 1-2 years' time.
We've already had a discussion with you here about the payout ratios. We made it clear that it is not economically viable for providers with this tax rate to offer payout ratios higher than a maximum of 91% .
You then said that 95% RTP games where players pay the tax directly are better. After we proved with figures that the two constructs are identical for players and providers (you lose your money just as quickly in variant A as in variant , you did not pursue the discussion any further.
So here's an honest question from us: what would your payout ratio be if you were a Provider on this regulated market and why? Please provide figures. We are curious.
Hightower wrote on 18.03.2024 at 13:56:I mean since you can no longer select the machine from 1-99 it runs worse!
It used to be like that when you could still choose. At the top, above all the "vending machine rows" there was a button, if you clicked on it, they assigned you a random box. It was basically shit.
That was even the case with the very old StarGames back in the day. The random box always sucked.
Now you no longer have to click on the random button, they assign you the worst box directly ... 🤣
I remember that StarGames wasn't doing particularly well back then either. Most of the time the money was gone in a flash, but if you were lucky there was no upper limit ... Quasar Gaming appealed to me more back then. At least it went better for me there. I always went to sunmaker, Sunny or Platin for Merkur and to Quasar, StarGames or Ovocasino for Novos. They used to be impossible to get together ... Oh yes, it's been a long time 🙄
StarGames_Official wrote on 18.03.2024 at 16:38:
We have already had a discussion with you here about payout percentages. We have made it clear that it is not economically viable for providers with this tax rate to offer payout percentages higher than a maximum of 91% .
You then said that 95% RTP games where players pay the tax directly are better. After we proved with figures that the two constructs are identical for players and providers (you lose your money just as quickly in variant A as in variant , you did not pursue the discussion any further.
So here's an honest question from us: what would your payout ratio be if you were a Provider on this regulated market and why? Please provide figures. We are curious.
I hope your Rtp calculation is just as trustworthy as the promise that the Extra Spins versions will return 100% 😌
I stand by my calculation:
100Eur bet, 1.05 Eur bet per spin = 0.0525000000 cost per spin = 1885 total spins at 95% Aq
100 Eur bet, 1.00 Eur bet per spin = 0.1000000000 cost per spin = 991 total spins at 90% Aq
I don't know how the tax is calculated in the background and whether the slots still run according to an Rng. But for me as a player, I definitely have more playing time if I pay a slightly higher bet, but fair Rtp. From my player side nothing more happens than that 1.053 instead of 1.00 Eur are deducted from my balance. This is how the tax is/was calculated at unlicensed casinos such as N1 Casino and Platin. The latter casino also advertised that this was a much fairer solution. The group around Löwenplay (by the way, there is now also the option to choose 7.3% tax on every win instead of 5.3% per spin) is also the only licensed one to offer increased Rtp and also advertises this on every slot. In the Pragmatic games, the difference in the gameplay is immediately noticeable. (95% instead of 88%) Less so with Merkur, but I suspect that the slots run according to your calculation and it really makes no difference.
It is clear to me that it would be a loss-making business for you if you had at least twice as much playing time and more chances of winning at the same time, but my criticism of you is: You belong to DGGS Deutsche Gesellschaft für Glücksspiel mbH, formerly Mernov (Merkur-Novomatic) which through their lobbying got us into this whole mess with such a usury tax.
I would be interested to know how many players on average are currently playing in all licensed casinos together and how much money is being taken in per minute just through the tax? Anyone who finds this out will probably also know why the lobby group from MerNov + politics and the judiciary are forcing us into this absolutely unfair offer.
And no, I could never operate on the licensed market because you can't offer a fair game under these conditions, and I'm not unscrupulous enough for that.
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No, I'm not talking about the bonus system, I mean since you can no longer choose the machine from 1-99 it's been worse! There's nothing to complain about from my side in terms of the bonus system and payout processing
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This is the second thread where you've said exactly the same thing, so here we go again
I don't like to play at StarGames because of the great DE rules, but StarGames is the only Provider that offers good service and doesn't treat people in a very arrogant way from above
No matter what you bring as criticism if they can change it they will
Apart from that, I manage to pay out 200 or more from 10-20 € relatively often there and you also get your money very quickly! But I like to pay there just because of the service and even if you don't get rich there in the sense of I have now paid out 20k, in my eyes, if you are bound by the DE rules, it is the provider where it is most worthwhile to earn money
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i personally can only agree with that, of all the licensed casinos i almost only gamble at starGames, precisely because of the points you mentioned. i especially like the lightning-fast payouts, the battles and the good service (if you have any problems they deal with them immediately). especially for me as a Low Roller (i only ever Deposit 10-max 20€), stargames is currently the best DE casino on the market. and if you win, you get your money in a flash and without any problems. that's what's most important to me personally.
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So if someone wants to fob me off with inhuman payout rates like StarGames, then I feel like I'm being treated arrogantly from above and taken for a fool.
It's like a bank employee trying to sell you a usurious loan with 20% annual interest. Of course he's nice and helpful, but in reality you're just a sacrificial lamb to him.
If you continue to play there regularly, I wonder if you'll still be so happy with your pay-in/pay-out balance in 1-2 years' time.
It may be that StarGames should be respected here in the forum, but you shouldn't forget that StarGames=Greentube=Novomatic, and they, together with the Gauselmann family, have forced their online casino rip-off offer on us and taken a piece of freedom away from every gambler in Germany.
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Since you also wrote to us via Communicator, we will try to clarify your questions directly there.
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We've already had a discussion with you here about the payout ratios. We made it clear that it is not economically viable for providers with this tax rate to offer payout ratios higher than a maximum of 91% .
You then said that 95% RTP games where players pay the tax directly are better. After we proved with figures that the two constructs are identical for players and providers (you lose your money just as quickly in variant A as in variant , you did not pursue the discussion any further.
So here's an honest question from us: what would your payout ratio be if you were a Provider on this regulated market and why? Please provide figures. We are curious.
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It used to be like that when you could still choose. At the top, above all the "vending machine rows" there was a button, if you clicked on it, they assigned you a random box. It was basically shit.
That was even the case with the very old StarGames back in the day. The random box always sucked.
Now you no longer have to click on the random button, they assign you the worst box directly ... 🤣
I remember that StarGames wasn't doing particularly well back then either. Most of the time the money was gone in a flash, but if you were lucky there was no upper limit ... Quasar Gaming appealed to me more back then. At least it went better for me there. I always went to sunmaker, Sunny or Platin for Merkur and to Quasar, StarGames or Ovocasino for Novos. They used to be impossible to get together ... Oh yes, it's been a long time 🙄
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I hope your Rtp calculation is just as trustworthy as the promise that the Extra Spins versions will return 100% 😌
I stand by my calculation:
100Eur bet, 1.05 Eur bet per spin = 0.0525000000 cost per spin = 1885 total spins at 95% Aq
100 Eur bet, 1.00 Eur bet per spin = 0.1000000000 cost per spin = 991 total spins at 90% Aq
I don't know how the tax is calculated in the background and whether the slots still run according to an Rng. But for me as a player, I definitely have more playing time if I pay a slightly higher bet, but fair Rtp. From my player side nothing more happens than that 1.053 instead of 1.00 Eur are deducted from my balance. This is how the tax is/was calculated at unlicensed casinos such as N1 Casino and Platin. The latter casino also advertised that this was a much fairer solution. The group around Löwenplay (by the way, there is now also the option to choose 7.3% tax on every win instead of 5.3% per spin) is also the only licensed one to offer increased Rtp and also advertises this on every slot. In the Pragmatic games, the difference in the gameplay is immediately noticeable. (95% instead of 88%) Less so with Merkur, but I suspect that the slots run according to your calculation and it really makes no difference.
It is clear to me that it would be a loss-making business for you if you had at least twice as much playing time and more chances of winning at the same time, but my criticism of you is: You belong to DGGS Deutsche Gesellschaft für Glücksspiel mbH, formerly Mernov (Merkur-Novomatic) which through their lobbying got us into this whole mess with such a usury tax.
I would be interested to know how many players on average are currently playing in all licensed casinos together and how much money is being taken in per minute just through the tax? Anyone who finds this out will probably also know why the lobby group from MerNov + politics and the judiciary are forcing us into this absolutely unfair offer.
And no, I could never operate on the licensed market because you can't offer a fair game under these conditions, and I'm not unscrupulous enough for that.
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