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Online Casinos in general: StarGames experience (Page 129)

Topic created on 04th Jan. 2022 | Page: 129 of 156 | Answers: 1,550 | Views: 194,249
gamble1
Legend

Peter8 wrote on February 26th, 2024 at 5:23 pm:

Nice that you say something about it and take it seriously.


But nevertheless, advertising reaches young people and adolescents, which guarantees negative effects for their future and families...but if your statements are enough for you, then that's probably the case^^

Yes, but social media is basically always harmful, it doesn't just have to be about gambling and gambling also reaches them in other ways I would think

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R3hab
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 02/26/2024 at 7:39 pm:

Yes good but social media is basically always harmful it doesn't have to be just about gambling and gambling reaches them differently I would think

In the time of Klarna influenza and temu hauls you are absolutely right, that's why it's already contaminated


I just think advertising should be banned for certain things

Alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gambling
A lot has happened for tobacco too
These are simply products that have their raison d'être but are just mega harmful, you don't need to advertise them, we don't have to become a 2 USA where it doesn't matter what the main thing is that the money comes in

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harleyGin
Rookie
Correct . Quite
Peter8 wrote on February 26th, 2024 at 10:30 pm:

In the time of Klarna influenza and temu hauls you are absolutely right, that's why yes already contaminated


Just think there should be a ban on advertising for certain things

Alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gambling
A lot has happened for tobacco too
These are simply products that have their raison d'être but are just mega harmful, you don't need to advertise them, we don't have to become a 2 USA where it doesn't matter what the main thing is that the money comes in


That's right. Completely my opinion

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StarGames_Official
Experienced
Peter8 wrote on February 26th, 2024 at 10:30 pm:

Just think there should be a ban on advertising for certain things

Alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gambling
A lot has happened for tobacco too
These are simply products that have their raison d'être but are just mega harmful, you don't need to advertise them, we don't have to become a 2 USA where it doesn't matter what the main thing is that the money comes in


But nevertheless, advertising reaches young people and adolescents, which guarantees negative effects for their future and families...but if your statements are enough for you, then that's probably the case^^

Thank you for your feedback. We see a few points a little differently.

Are these products dangerous? Yes, of course, you're right. This is also explicitly pointed out in the advertising. That's why advertising can't be broadcast around the clock.

BUT:


  • Addiction can occur in all possible parts of life. Some are addicted to gambling. Some are alcoholics. Some are addicted to drugs. Some are addicted to shopping, Source here. Some are obsessed with their bodies and exercise too much. Some are addicted to social media, and many children are already addicted.

  • Addiction is when you lose control. And it can happen in many areas of life. And it is harmful in all cases - even if no money is directly involved. Just because you spend 6 hours a day on Tiktok / Netflix doesn't mean you lose money. But you do lose social contact with your family and friends. You don't concentrate at school or at work. You get bad grades or lose your job. Etc...


  • Although this can create an addiction, online shopping portals do not ban advertising. Neither are beer and other alcohol products. Advertising simply shows consumers what the legal alternatives are to these dangerous products. If advertising were removed, people would not be able to distinguish between a legal offer and an illegal offer - both are easy to find with a Google search.

  • Example: the gambling market in Italy. All possible advertising for licensed gambling was banned there in 2019. Result: people continue to gamble, but increasingly in the illegal market. The legal providers continue to advertise (just like beer products with their 0.0% versions) with "news pages". There are no fewer people addicted to gambling than before the ban. At least no proof of that.


  • The legal providers are (in almost all European countries) linked to local blocking systems. As an addicted, banned person, you cannot access these offers. Only illegal ones. But this is not a problem caused by advertising.

  • Advertising provides information - in all cases, not just gambling. But advertising does not force anyone to do anything. Just because chicken breast costs 50% less at the weekend doesn't mean you buy 20 kg of it if you can't eat it in 3 days... We are all adults and should be able to control our lives to a certain extent and make our own decisions. What is good for me? What do I need? What do I not need?

    Yes, you need rules and instructions and these already exist for dangerous products such as alcohol, gambling or medication. Adults should be able to decide everything else for themselves.

  • Finally: l egals ( but also illegal ones) Providers do NOT want to "create" addicted people. They will be blocked (either locally by the Provider or generally in a system such as OASIS) and never return. This would not be sustainable and is not in the interest of a provider.


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Stromberg
Legend

StarGames_Official wrote on 02/28/2024 09:25:
Thank you for your feedback. We see a few points a little differently.

Are these products dangerous? Yes, of course, you're right. This is also explicitly pointed out in the advertising. That's why advertising can't be broadcast around the clock.

BUT:


  • Addiction can occur in all possible parts of life. Some are addicted to gambling. Some are alcoholics. Some are addicted to drugs. Some are addicted to shopping, Source here. Some are obsessed with their bodies and exercise too much. Some are addicted to social media, and many children are already addicted.

  • Addiction is when you lose control. And it can happen in many areas of life. And it is harmful in all cases - even if no money is directly involved. Just because you spend 6 hours a day on Tiktok / Netflix doesn't mean you lose money. But you do lose social contact with your family and friends. You don't concentrate at school or at work. You get bad grades or lose your job. Etc...


  • Although this can create an addiction, online shopping portals do not ban advertising. Neither are beer and other alcohol products. Advertising simply shows consumers what the legal alternatives are to these dangerous products. If advertising were removed, people would not be able to distinguish between a legal offer and an illegal offer - both are easy to find with a Google search.

  • Example: the gambling market in Italy. All possible advertising for licensed gambling was banned there in 2019. Result: people continue to gamble, but increasingly in the illegal market. The legal providers continue to advertise (just like beer products with their 0.0% versions) with "news pages". There are no fewer people addicted to gambling than before the ban. At least no proof of that.


  • The legal providers are (almost in all European countries) linked to local blocking systems. As an addicted, banned person, you cannot access these offers. Only to illegal ones. But this is not a problem caused by advertising.

  • Advertising provides information - in all cases, not just gambling. But advertising does not force anyone to do anything. Just because chicken breast costs 50% less at the weekend doesn't mean you buy 20 kg of it if you can't eat it in 3 days... We are all adults and should be able to control our lives to a certain extent and make our own decisions. What is good for me? What do I need? What do I not need?

    Yes, you need rules and instructions and these already exist for dangerous products such as alcohol, gambling or medication. Adults should be able to decide everything else for themselves.

  • Finally: l egals ( but also illegal ones) Providers do NOT want to "create" addicted people. They will be blocked (either locally by the Provider or generally in a system such as OASIS) and never return. This would not be sustainable and is not in the interest of a provider.



comparing 6 hours of Netflix a day with Gambling addiction is relatively bold.

Of course, many things can be addictive, but they are still to be assessed completely differently. The loss of social contacts, if you want to argue like that, is added to the loss of money and other effects when gambling.

Furthermore, I am personally of the opinion that if everyone gambled to a reasonable extent, appropriate to their personal circumstances, then the gambling industry would be a long way from its record turnover.

I would agree that there is now a good blocking system for the legal markets.
However, if you resort to Malta or Curacao casinos, an effective block is actually completely hopeless, unless you block your hardware. But that is easy to circumvent.



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StarGames_Official
Experienced

Stromberg wrote on 28.02.2024 at 09:41:

comparing 6 hours of Netflix a day with Gambling addiction is quite daring.

Of course, many things can be addictive, but they are still to be evaluated completely differently. The loss of social contacts, if you want to argue that way, is added to the loss of money and other effects when gambling.

Furthermore, I am personally of the opinion that if everyone gambled to a reasonable extent, appropriate to their personal circumstances, then the gambling industry would be a long way from its record turnover.

I would agree that there is now a good blocking system for the legal markets.
However, if you resort to Malta or Curacao casinos, an effective block is actually completely hopeless, unless you block your hardware. But that is easy to circumvent.

We don't want to neglect the effects of gambling, or even compare it to a Netflix addiction, please don't misunderstand.


We just wanted to signal that the reasons for an addiction go deeper and do not only concern gambling, although it is very often discussed in the media.

If we compare addictions according to dangerousness (if such a thing is even possible), gambling addiction naturally belongs on the same level as alcohol or drugs. Shopping addiction perhaps immediately after that, because a lot of money is involved. But if we agree that it is, then the next thing to talk about is how to bring these industries on the same level when it comes to advertising regulations and other regulations.

We are sure that the gambling industry doesn't want special treatment here (we definitely don't want that), just the same as the other dangerous industries.

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R3hab
Expert
The arguments make sense and I can also understand that you want to show alternatives with advertising.

But it is extremely important to advertise in the right place, and it is also important to design appropriate advertising

A man dressed as a pirate plays el Torero and wins X amount of money while ringing loudly
I don't think that's appropriate, for example

I understand that you want to be treated fairly with your industry, but we want that too.

I fell into this trap over 10 years ago, there was no Oasis to stop you from doing these stupid things, you only realize it when it's too late.
If you don't stop this cycle or regulate it sensibly and find solutions
Where will it end?

A big part of my life has been gambling hard *** that will happen to anyone who starts, and your industry is already aware of that. But have you been itching?
No, it has not.

The first StarGames could make man 1k spins or am I wrong? It was a long time ago
But without regulation you saw what your bosses wanted in their fat offices, just money.

So try a little harder to do the right thing

Peace my StarGames brother or Schwester✌️

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Stromberg
Legend

StarGames_Official wrote on 02/28/2024 11:25 AM:

We don't want to neglect the effects of gambling, or even compare it to a Netflix addiction, please don't misunderstand.


We just wanted to signal that the reasons for an addiction are deeper and do not only concern gambling, although it is very often discussed in the media.

If we compare addictions according to dangerousness (if such a thing is even possible), Gambling addiction naturally belongs on the same level as alcohol or drugs. Shopping addiction perhaps immediately after that, because a lot of money is involved. But if we agree that it is, then the next thing to talk about is how to bring these industries on the same level when it comes to advertising regulations and other regulations.

We are sure that the gambling industry doesn't want special treatment here (we definitely don't want that), just the same as the other dangerous industries.

Of course, I can understand why people want the same treatment.

I don't care in the end, I don't use social media anyway and I don't really watch linear TV anymore except for football/sports.

And when it comes to football, I have to say we're at a point where I find it abnormal.
In addition to the TV commercials, there are now all the jersey commercials, where a bunch of young people interested in football watch the broadcasts and the connection between football and sports betting is suggested as a matter of course.
But for Player protection reasons, you're no longer allowed to bet on corners, problem solved. Congratulations 😂
Just as an aside, this only affects you to a limited extent.

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Donnie
Expert

Stromberg wrote on February 28, 2024 at 12:21 pm:

Of course I can understand that you want the same treatment.

In the end I don't care, I don't use social media anyway and don't really watch linear TV anymore except for football/sports.

And when it comes to football, I have to say we're at a point where I find it abnormal.
In addition to the TV commercials, there are now all the jersey commercials, where a bunch of young people interested in football watch the broadcasts and the connection between football and sports betting is suggested as a matter of course.
But for Player protection reasons, you're no longer allowed to bet on corners, problem solved. Congratulations 😂
Just as an aside, this only affects you to a limited extent.

Why conditionally, AdmiralBet belongs to StarGames, doesn't it? However, we can agree that movies/series are a good alternative that you can do to avoid losing your money at StarGames and are nowhere near as harmful as regulated gambling that only aims to take money out of people's pockets. Even more so than unregulated gambling. I'm so glad I hardly Deposit any more. It all makes no sense

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Stromberg
Legend

Donnie wrote on February 28, 2024 at 12:41 pm:

Why conditionally, AdmiralBet belongs to StarGames or not? But you can agree that movies/series are a good alternative that you can do to avoid losing your money at StarGames, nowhere near as harmful as regulated gambling that only aims to take money out of people's pockets. Even more so than unregulated gambling. I'm so glad I hardly Deposit any more. It all makes no sense

Could be, I don't know the affiliation exactly😬One half belongs to Gauselmann and I don't know how the other half is divided up... 😂

And I don't even know who is advertising there. I definitely have Tipico, Bet365, betway, interwetten and neobet in my head.

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