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Online Casinos in general: Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling (Page 9)

Topic created on 08th Sep. 2018 | Page: 9 of 25 | Answers: 248 | Views: 118,458
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 11:14 am CET#81
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 11:53 am CET#82
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If you are an alcoholic, do you also get your money back from Rewe because they sold you the booze?

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 12:09 pm CET#83
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Ankor wrote on 06/12/2018 at 07:56 PM

Up to 13 months, you need to itemize all the bookings that should be reversed. There are free documents online, you can try on your own with that for now. But I know that you almost always (no case experienced where it went without) needed help from the lawyer.

Therefore, you should not hesitate too long, but I would also like to point out that you should calculate payments and deposits against each other in advance. The chance that it fails always exists, it did not happen, but some banks and other credit companies let it come up to the statement of claim. And as Daniel already wrote, someone who does this should clearly stop gambling or get help. Anyone who back-books and throws it back in a short time later is really the lowest standard from a human point of view.

Which payment method is meant by this?

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 01:44 pm CET#84
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sippi wrote on 06/12/2018 at 11:53: If you are an alcoholic, do you also get the money back from Rewe because they sold you the booze?

If the legal transaction was void or voidable then yes. You don't need to swing a moral club, the other side doesn't have a clean slate either.

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 02:15 pm CET#85
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sippi wrote on 06/12/2018 at 11:53: If you are an alcoholic, do you also get the money back from Rewe because they sold you the booze?

bad comparison

The banks initiate here Zahlungne what they simply may not because the payee forbidden in Germany operates.
The banks or at least the ING Diba does not even deny this but will refer to the AGB `s where you agree to no direct debits or bookings with the credit cards to contradict.
They also put it there as if you can not even check every transfer or booking...but they can do it

And quite simply with a Whitelist
You simply enter the gambling operators whose license in Germany is legal
Say Tipico, Bwin etc
All other payments / bookings would thus be rejected.

I've called the ING Diba...the statement was "We have a legal department and we would not do that if that would be prohibited"

My argument that if 500,000 customers at the Ing Diba participate in prohibited gambling but only 500 people successfully complain, it still pays off for the Ing Diba

answer from the employee

"contact us best in writing, then it will be forwarded to the office"


to your comparison.

Rewe sells LEGAL alcohol..they have the rights to do so and check the age... WHEN BUYING alcohol (they should in normal cases) in Online Casinos could in theory an 11 year old Deposit and play and only when he wins and wants to pay out they will say you were not allowed to play...the right way would be before I am allowed to the goods in your case of the alk I must be controlled...even when buying credit cards on consoles I have to give my ID number.

To get to the point, if I were an alcoholic and noticed that Rewe was selling alcohol that they should never have been allowed to sell, I would sue and demand my money back

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 02:29 pm CET#86
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And what is most upsetting are that such comments come from people who seem to have zero clue and just accept everything.

The arguments from the side of the players are far stronger and better than those of the banks.the ruling from February this year from Munich was a big step.
The player was just extremely clever because he himself had not sued..the LBB so Sparkasse has sued HIM because of 4,800 euros he had about booked back.
That is, he had to pay neither high expenses for the lawsuit or otherwise had a stress he had to pay only the lawyer that was the law firm Reeckmann from Berlin and the Lbb has clearly lost the arguments we can payments yes garnicht all check was invalidated as written by me so that it would just go!

The bank could also NOT prove that the player knew that it is not legal in Germany..how also? ignorance does not protect against punishment will come to one now in the head
but in such a case, the player is just deceived.the casinos advertise with licenses, secure payment service providers, advertising and so much more.

There was as far as I know no case that was lost in court by the player.Also the argument what I like to read here "Eu law is above the German law" plays no role in the case then you do not complain against the casino but against the bank that has just made payments that were illegal and the player has taken damage.
And most people here forget that

Here is the verdict

http://reeckmann.blogspot.com/2018/07/kreditkarteneinsatz-casinospiele.html

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

6th Dec. 2018, at 05:18 pm CET#87
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MCReyn wrote on 06.12.2018 at 14:29: And what is most upsetting are that such comments come from people who seem to have zero clue and just accept everything.

The arguments from the side of the players are far stronger and better than those of the banks.The ruling from February this year from Munich was a big step.
The player was just extremely clever because he himself had not sued..the LBB so Sparkasse has sued HIM because of 4,800 euros he had about booked back.
That is, he had to pay neither high expenses for the lawsuit or otherwise had a stress he had to pay only the lawyer that was the law firm Reeckmann from Berlin and the Lbb has clearly lost the arguments we can payments yes garnicht all check was invalidated as written by me so that it would just go!

The bank could also NOT prove that the player knew that it is not legal in Germany..how also? ignorance does not protect against punishment will come to one now in the head
but in such a case, the player is just deceived.the casinos advertise with licenses, secure payment service providers, advertising and so much more.

There was as far as I know no case that was lost in court by the player.Also the argument what I like to read here "Eu law is above the German law" plays no role in the case then you do not complain against the casino but against the bank that has just made payments that were illegal and the player has taken damage.
And most people here forget that

Here is the verdict

http://reeckmann.blogspot.com/2018/07/kreditkarteneinsatz-casinospiele.html

I don't think chargebacks are bad if the player is reasonable. The current legal situation is not positive for Online Casinos, which means that on the part of the providers no one wants to care about it by actually suing DE for competitive disadvantage. Should be enforceable with the EU law.

Ultimately, the chargeback leads to the problem becomes clear. Players do not want to have their win seized, but also do not want to bear the costs in case of loss. This has already reached the top, so they are working on finding a solution. In addition, more and more banks and service providers are paying attention, with high payments are rather booked back times or one authorizes no more payments to these providers.

However, players who have been charged back should be aware that they have created this problem themselves. One comes here because of strange regulations and market developments again narrowly from a possible predicament. We are not immature or ignorant, we use this deliberately.

Therefore, this should not be taken for granted, but rationally speaking, I personally would always prefer the chargeback to a personal insolvency. After all, one should learn from mistakes and not cripple one's life.

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

7th Dec. 2018, at 10:30 am CET#88
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I'm curious what will come of your lawsuit. What do you plan to do with your money?

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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

7th Dec. 2018, at 03:23 pm CET#89
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Players are not reasonable @Ankor and if, then at the earliest when they lie on the ground and there is just nothing between, except gambling.
Until it is so far, however, the motto applies predominantly: hope dies last.
Playing in this/your context is also not a "mistake" as you write -it would be nice, many times an addiction develops from the initial fun of playing
-and thus it is a damn disease, one with a very rapidly increasing number of affected people.

And as far as re-booking is concerned, for me personally it's a thorn in the side anyway (ignorance of the law aside),
but also Chargeback will not be able to cure an addiction, that on the one hand and on the other hand.....
Here in the forum Chargeback is also no secret, many know about the so-called gray area, but as long as the game is running, no one cares.
But woe when they have arrived at the bottom, then the whining really starts...
Formerly Pro Casino....do you want to spoil our game etc. (I get PN like that) -but suddenly you don't know how many cement buckets you have to haul to catch their tears.

Gamble Joe aside...the guys are really doing a great job.
I especially like their lyrics, which I think at least people here are interested in
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

7th Dec. 2018, at 03:47 pm CET#90
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 07/12/2018 at 15:23

Gamble Joe times outside...the guys do really very good work.
I especially like their lyrics which I guess at least people here are interested in
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since probably 95% of all visitors of gambeljoe should not actually be here?or why do you put so much emphasis on the disclaimer?

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