Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 13)

mtorero wrote on 06.06.2025 at 19:07: A short update:

The trial took place recently. The honorable judge ruled in my favor and denied the value confiscation.
We still had so many jokers up our sleeve, but we didn't need them because my defense lawyers didn't give the prosecution a chance in court. I take my hat off.
We'll have to wait until the verdict is hopefully final soon, and when there's time I'll go into more detail, but I can't make all the tactics and work of my lawyers public without their consent.

In the end, I'm left with the high costs for the fee that this overbearing public prosecutor's office has got me into, but of course I still get off much better than if I had to pay a 'cheap' lawyer + value collection in the worst case. It should also not be forgotten that my law firm normally works for large gambling providers and receives remuneration in completely different dimensions. That's why I'm really grateful that they stood up for me, the little guy, and helped.

I hope I can take some of the stress and fear away from other people affected. You are in the right. I would also recommend, if possible:

Never make statements if the police approach you for investigation of involvement in illegal gambling.

It is best to print out and keep flight/hotel bookings made abroad in recent years. It might be useful.

The book money for the confiscation procedure is calculated from deposits and withdrawals. In my case, however, the investigating authorities only had access to the bank account, so they cannot offset Paysafe deposits, for example. Here, too, it doesn't hurt to keep account statements as far back as possible and keep the printouts yourself.

Find a lawyer who really specializes in gambling law. Then it's better to bite the bullet and pay a little more to be able to sleep peacefully.

Ultimately, the public prosecutor's office must prove that you personally participated in illegal gambling from Germany. Receiving money from a Provider is by no means proof that someone has gambled illegally. For that, they would have to install cameras in every household and film the act. But I'd better not give any ideas here. Nothing is impossible these days lol.

Besides, it's cheeky anyway that the justice system in Germany puts simple gamblers on the same level as clan criminals, thieves, fraudsters, drug dealers etc. and treats them like that or even takes even tougher action. Fight back.

The ECJ has yet to make a decision that could have an impact on criminal prosecution in Germany with regard to casinos with an EU license. Let's hope that the EU contributes something positive here.

Thanks to everyone who has shown understanding for this injustice and supported me with words 🙏🙏🙏🙏

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mtorero wrote on 06.06.2025 at 19:07: A short update:

The trial took place recently. The honorable judge ruled in my favor and denied the value confiscation.
We still had so many jokers up our sleeve, but we didn't need them because my defense lawyers didn't give the prosecution a chance in court. I take my hat off.
We'll have to wait until the verdict is hopefully final soon, and when there's time I'll go into more detail, but I can't make all the tactics and work of my lawyers public without their consent.

In the end, I'm left with the high costs for the fee that this overbearing public prosecutor's office has got me into, but of course I still get off much better than if I had to pay a 'cheap' lawyer + value collection in the worst case. It should also not be forgotten that my law firm normally works for large gambling providers and receives remuneration in completely different dimensions. That's why I'm really grateful that they stood up for me, the little guy, and helped.

I hope I can take some of the stress and fear away from other people affected. You are in the right. I would also recommend, if possible:

Never make statements if the police approach you for investigation of involvement in illegal gambling.

It is best to print out and keep flight/hotel bookings made abroad in recent years. It might be useful.

The book money for the confiscation procedure is calculated from deposits and withdrawals. In my case, however, the investigating authorities only had access to the bank account, so they cannot offset Paysafe deposits, for example. Here, too, it doesn't hurt to keep account statements as far back as possible and keep the printouts yourself.

Find a lawyer who really specializes in gambling law. Then it's better to bite the bullet and pay a little more to be able to sleep peacefully.

Ultimately, the public prosecutor's office must prove that you personally participated in illegal gambling from Germany. Receiving money from a Provider is by no means proof that someone has gambled illegally. For that, they would have to install cameras in every household and film the act. But I'd better not give any ideas here. Nothing is impossible these days lol.

Besides, it's cheeky anyway that the justice system in Germany puts simple gamblers on the same level as clan criminals, thieves, fraudsters, drug dealers etc. and treats them like that or even takes even tougher action. Fight back.

The ECJ has yet to make a decision that could have an impact on criminal prosecution in Germany with regard to casinos with an EU license. Let's hope that the EU contributes something positive here.

Thanks to everyone who has shown understanding for this injustice and supported me with words 🙏🙏🙏🙏

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mtorero wrote on 06.06.2025 at 19:07: A short update:

The trial took place recently. The honorable judge ruled in my favor and denied the value confiscation.
We still had so many jokers up our sleeve, but we didn't need them because my defense lawyers didn't give the prosecution a chance in court. I take my hat off.
We'll have to wait until the verdict is hopefully final soon, and when there's time I'll go into more detail, but I can't make all the tactics and work of my lawyers public without their consent.

In the end, I'm left with the high costs for the fee that this overbearing public prosecutor's office has got me into, but of course I still get off much better than if I had to pay a 'cheap' lawyer + value collection in the worst case. It should also not be forgotten that my law firm normally works for large gambling providers and receives remuneration in completely different dimensions. That's why I'm really grateful that they stood up for me, the little guy, and helped.

I hope I can take some of the stress and fear away from other people affected. You are in the right. I would also recommend, if possible:

Never make statements if the police approach you for investigation of involvement in illegal gambling.

It is best to print out and keep flight/hotel bookings made abroad in recent years. It might be useful.

The book money for the confiscation procedure is calculated from deposits and withdrawals. In my case, however, the investigating authorities only had access to the bank account, so they cannot offset Paysafe deposits, for example. Here, too, it doesn't hurt to keep account statements as far back as possible and keep the printouts yourself.

Find a lawyer who really specializes in gambling law. Then it's better to bite the bullet and pay a little more to be able to sleep peacefully.

Ultimately, the public prosecutor's office must prove that you personally participated in illegal gambling from Germany. Receiving money from a Provider is by no means proof that someone has gambled illegally. For that, they would have to install cameras in every household and film the act. But I'd better not give any ideas here. Nothing is impossible these days lol.

Besides, it's cheeky anyway that the justice system in Germany puts simple gamblers on the same level as clan criminals, thieves, fraudsters, drug dealers etc. and treats them like that or even takes even tougher action. Fight back.

The ECJ has yet to make a decision that could have an impact on criminal prosecution in Germany with regard to casinos with an EU license. Let's hope that the EU contributes something positive here.

Thanks to everyone who has shown understanding for this injustice and supported me with words 🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Stromberg wrote on 07.06.2025 at 13:55: Very interesting, that makes me very happy 👍
And sorry to the user who once cited his stay abroad as a "defense strategy" and was not taken seriously by me, among others.

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mtorero wrote on 06.06.2025 at 19:07: A short update:

The trial took place recently. The honorable judge ruled in my favor and denied the value confiscation.

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mikejonesmaen wrote on 08.04.2025 at 11:51 am:

That's what he told me via email. So it is not my assessment.

I should try to get all possible Deposit receipts in the form of bank statements, casino screenshots, etc.

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randomnine wrote on 15.06.2025 at 13:10:

Hello,


i wanted to ask you if you have any news about this?

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mikejonesmaen wrote on 16.06.2025 09:48:

Nothing new for me yet. As you know, I am represented by the same law firm and a first pleading has been prepared. Now, according to the lawyer, it may take several months. During this time, it is my homework to collect and sort all incoming and outgoing payments, as - according to the lawyer - they will be important in the next step. Incidentally, everything should come from the same GenStA as the previous speaker. It remains exciting...

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