I have come to the decision to stop, strangely enough I have also completely lost the fun of it - and have 0 demand what to deposit....
Roughly estimated I will probably have a turnover with deposits + withdrawals over 40,000 € since the beginning probably but even more (on more than 10 casinos divided approximately)
Although not a plus but probably a slight minus.... how much I can not say . but not much have never played with savings or made debts or anything....
Why do I stop?
Quite simply, I watch or watched many streamers of slots...... already as the slots run... makes one bile come up... sure they also lose... but when they win they win high with their pictures I have hardly seen or not at 40k turnover in 4 years...
There you have to start thinking.... Everyone also knows that streamers of slots earn themselves silly... where does the money come from? ... exactly from you whether it is now through the Affiliate link or the money that they get from the casino what you have deposited...
Then.... the next reason as I said can not mention it enough times, 4 years of online gambling, split of deposits 90% raw cash 10% with bonus
Wins+winning pictures over 500x I have not seen once in raw what I got with bonus money...
And Raw Cash deposits of per Deposit 50-100€ not even came over 600€ says it all (But with Bonus money (often only with 50€ deposit) turnovers of 10,000€ and more made and then also 2000 to 3000€ paid out....
So much to, the bonus has no effect......(Sure this is not a profit guarantee but the slots run 100% better than with raw cash)
I do not want to say you do not win with Raw-Cash...... but minds. a lot more difficult+sletener to not at all My experience......
Sure, I respect everyone's opinion if someone is convinced everything fits in all the Online Casinos- everyone has the same chances, I have no problem with it...
This is a forum and everyone is allowed to share his opinion
But I say times + Streamer + Bonuses + first deposits in casino is in my OPINION fooling people - because that's just not true.... That people are preferred or not
And that has for me then also no more sense....and of the whole Verification process times apart+ "should" one ever a hit over 10k have can one next fears that one the bank not the account locks or directly to the criminal complaint comes...
In this sense I'm out.... I wish everyone only the BEST lots of wins, - and please do not gamble everything
I will... if at all still casino with friends... and that's it...
Maybe I come back sometime.... but as I said the desire to play online is completely gone....
Good luck and fun to all the others
MFG
40K turnover pulled I in ner good session in about 20 hours. You can not complain such winning series at all or such Big Wins or not to get, whether only large Multiplier or large sum. Because obviously you can not even talk about what your turnover at least, you do not even come to what I play on a weekend and certainly not what the big streamers in just a few hours convert. I'm not a streamer and I only play with a fraction of what they get in and out, but I could show you screenshots or videos of me winning thousands of Euros or dollars. To claim that would be all nonsense is too easy for me even if I have to admit that especially on the subject of streamers in general in terms of "hidden bonuses" for the purpose of better results, etc. great skepticism prevails and not everything is right... but again ... you can not make it quite so simple as said it is already possible somewhere but you have to play accordingly. And that is to be expected basically also not differently if one decides to try his luck in various casinos...Who much or more risks with which the chance is naturally also larger...who however always already expected that times just so suddenly simply so what abgeht on the screen and one the large numbers there around the ears fly the somewhere wrong conception ... if one plays otherwise completely usually from pure maintenance only to the fun then one must deviate already times extremely from its usual play way! Quite clearly... there had to switch times n gear up and also times in between zb awesome at the stakes screw that if you ne time long on for example 0.40-0.60 cent plays then actually also times for zb 20-40 Spins completely deviate and put on 2-5€ ... then you will rucki zucki see what can go lg
Kamitrasut wrote on 23.09.2020 at 05:08
40K turnover pulled I in ner good session in approx 20 hours. You can't complain about not getting such winning series or such big wins, no matter if only big Multiplier or big sum. Because obviously you can not even talk about what your turnover at least, you do not even come to what I play on a weekend and certainly not what the big streamers in just a few hours convert. I'm not a Streamer and I only play with a fraction of what they get in and out, but I could show you screenshots or videos of me winning thousands of Euros or dollars. To claim that would be all nonsense is too easy for me even if I have to admit that especially on the subject of streamers in general in terms of "hidden bonuses" for the purpose of better results, etc. great skepticism prevails and not everything is right... but again ... you can not make it quite so simple as said it is already possible somewhere but you have to play accordingly. And that's basically not to be expected otherwise if one decides to try his luck in various casinos...Who risks a lot or more with which the chance is of course also greater...who, however, has always expected that times just so suddenly just what happens on the screen and a big numbers there fly around the ears of the somewhere the wrong idea ... if you play otherwise quite usual from pure entertainment just for fun then you have to deviate extremely from his usual way of playing! Quite clearly... there had to switch up times n gear and also times in between zb awesome at the stakes screw, that if you play for a while on, for example, 0.40-0.60 cents then actually times for zb 20-40 spins completely deviate and put on 2-5 € ... then you will see rucki zucki what can go lg
I've only read the first two sentences and knew already either you are not powerful German language and can not read well or no idea before one writes such nen garbage as you... but anyway I'll show you again my text;
40k (probably more) attention now it comes: WITH ON+OFF PAYMENTS
and not with sessions, you klugscheisser weiterers stands with me also still that I have often amounts over 10,000 gewagert with Bonus money - since I have played several days of the std. I will not even begin
So next time read more carefully before you verzapfst son garbage
Ps stakes I have also played the last year to 10 € you moral apostle and not as you write with 40 cents
But standard was at 1-2€ and that's already a lot
Sure everyone can have his opinion but me what tounterstellen what 1 wrong and 2 you have 0 clue ... I can not stand such a thing
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I can understand this gut feeling and the "frustration" well and often it is exactly the point at which you manage to stop - keep your fingers crossed and at the end of the day you can say what you want, it is basically the best decision
What I find absolutely nonsensical is the fact that you think the casinos take influence and determine more or less if and when you win and that it makes a difference whether you play with "raw cash" or a bonus
It is and remains "gambling" and the name is program here
However, I respect your opinion on this and don't want to put you down as "stupid" or something similar
My view on things is just a different one
WithoutWings wrote on 23.09.2020 at 11:07 am: The reason why I currently no longer play is quite simply that the slots are definitely manipulated from my point of view. One example :
I signed up 2 years ago everywhere and won almost everywhere 4 digit, after that came hardly anything
Since I had like many here the feeling that you are preferred as a new customer, I tested it with several friends
1. i signed up my girlfriend at Mr Green where I won directly 4 stellingen at BoD. And behold 5 explorers 1000 euros in the 10-20th turn
Well I thought can still be coincidence.
Last week Friday my work colleague registers there and wins with 10 euros Deposit 1800 euros...
A day later, another colleague registers there pays 50 euros and wins 900 euros.
I can deposit as much as I want and just get nothing
And I think that many here as newbies have won more and better no matter where than they do later, of course there are exceptions
For me it is certain that nothing is coincidence. In this sense, keep your money... has cost me a minus of just under 50,000.
you will laugh - but you have already written this in this form 1 or 2 times in the forum and I can only agree with you 100%
i have to thank you sometimes actually because I had read the first time (months or weeks ago) your older contributions where you have already explained something similar...and after I started thinking....
the creepy thing I have to give you with 110% right.... so and not otherwise
that's why for me all this is not luck but controlled and still wants to submit to the customer it would be luck which it is not so ergo it is cheating
so @ WithoutWings am 100% your opinion and that's why I'm also out....
like but as I said I just can not emphasize too often my opinion if other people have a different I understand but just do not please personally attack- like I would have played too little- I would have played wrong... ect.pp. something like that you can keep for yourself
This has always been a lousy number I'll tell you how it works the calculate based on what you and how much you Deposit how much they raushauen you at the beginning. Months ago I've paid in Wildz within 2 days 2000 euros and had my biggest win with almost 25000 euros probably thought ok if he pays 1000 per day is the coal soon back in but I was smarter 😜 By the way icg bet my butt I would have about 30000 paid in again at Wildz I would certainly get times again 1-2000 ... the Manipulation is so conspicuous because I let me no longer talk purely from people who talk of coincidence. Look at the documentary on Netflix The Delimma with the social media. And every bet casinos do nothing but collect everything about you and control you. And the scam works as you can see also I once believed in coincidence because it is really hard to notice as a new player.
I totally understand the frustration up to a certain point.
I also view the streamers with massive skepticism and am convinced that something is not right
However, I have also stopped some time ago to look at me or generally look at the wins of others. This is like in the real casino. You just win 500 euros in a really sad session and the guy next to you just wins a year's salary. That's even more frustrating. But that's also casino.
The only point that I can not understand, which many write here, is that they have seen no wins over 500x in years.
I've gotten 3x almost 1,500x in MoneyTrain2 and 1x 2,500x in Legacy of Dead just since this Monday. And I play with really small stakes. So that this should not be possible or extremely rare, I can not stand at all. Today is Wednesday. And I have almost every week at least 1 1000x hit in Legacy of Dead. In the end, it always depends on the stakes.
I think that many just have to learn what it's all about. Without meaning that badly. Many pay daily hundreds of euros and then run nem megahit á la Youtube after. The one hit that changes everything. Of course, they lose permanently
in principle, this can only "work" if you take everything you get and diligently pay out. And wait patiently for the ultimate hit. Yes, even for years
In principle, you have to say that higher stakes generally have more potential than smaller ones. When I used to go to the real casino and permanently gambled on 2-10 euros (with a certain naivety), 10k + more wins in an evening were not uncommon. Often over several days. When I then noticed that this was not forever so dahinging zockte im always smaller and smaller. But then I also began to lose permanently
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I can't confirm all that 100%. Gambling is gambling and awesome things happen.
It's true that sometimes you have luck with new casinos and then nothing goes.
But it can also go differently. An example. I only ever lost at Videoslots and ultimately closed the account.
Then I came across MrVegas and have registered and only lost, have deposited on the first day immediately times 2500 EUR. But since then, the site runs like stupid for me. I never play extremely, I cashe out after each win and am good five figures in the plus, I always play only the same games. With MrVegas you can filter the games like with VS. Some providers just break me e.g. Thunderkick or Netent, there I have miserable RTP and loss, but e.g. Play N Go or Nyx run abartig. This has been going on for 2 months. Every now and then I take a break of a week and every now and then I spend 500 or 1000 EUR but then I cash out again 2-3000 EUR, once even almost 10,000 EUR.
What can be, is that casinos set a value up to which a player can win, let's say 10,000 EUR and then it's all downhill. Whether a player reaches that in one session or in 10 does not matter, so much he may get, then begins the eating phase. But this is of course only speculation, would also only go at RNG games and not at the live casino.
And then you read again from some people who Deposit 20 EUR and get a Jackpot of 2 million or more, how to turn it, it's crazy and I can understand everyone who is frustrated by gambling. It has cost me the equivalent of an upscale family home over the years. Gambling is many things, just not fair.
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40K turnover pulled I in ner good session in about 20 hours. You can not complain such winning series at all or such Big Wins or not to get, whether only large Multiplier or large sum. Because obviously you can not even talk about what your turnover at least, you do not even come to what I play on a weekend and certainly not what the big streamers in just a few hours convert. I'm not a streamer and I only play with a fraction of what they get in and out, but I could show you screenshots or videos of me winning thousands of Euros or dollars. To claim that would be all nonsense is too easy for me even if I have to admit that especially on the subject of streamers in general in terms of "hidden bonuses" for the purpose of better results, etc. great skepticism prevails and not everything is right... but again ... you can not make it quite so simple as said it is already possible somewhere but you have to play accordingly. And that is to be expected basically also not differently if one decides to try his luck in various casinos...Who much or more risks with which the chance is naturally also larger...who however always already expected that times just so suddenly simply so what abgeht on the screen and one the large numbers there around the ears fly the somewhere wrong conception ... if one plays otherwise completely usually from pure maintenance only to the fun then one must deviate already times extremely from its usual play way! Quite clearly... there had to switch times n gear up and also times in between zb awesome at the stakes screw that if you ne time long on for example 0.40-0.60 cent plays then actually also times for zb 20-40 Spins completely deviate and put on 2-5€ ... then you will rucki zucki see what can go lg
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I've only read the first two sentences and knew already either you are not powerful German language and can not read well or no idea before one writes such nen garbage as you... but anyway I'll show you again my text;
40k (probably more) attention now it comes: WITH ON+OFF PAYMENTS
and not with sessions, you klugscheisser weiterers stands with me also still that I have often amounts over 10,000 gewagert with Bonus money - since I have played several days of the std. I will not even begin
So next time read more carefully before you verzapfst son garbage
Ps stakes I have also played the last year to 10 € you moral apostle and not as you write with 40 cents
But standard was at 1-2€ and that's already a lot
Sure everyone can have his opinion but me what tounterstellen what 1 wrong and 2 you have 0 clue ... I can not stand such a thing
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What I find absolutely nonsensical is the fact that you think the casinos take influence and determine more or less if and when you win and that it makes a difference whether you play with "raw cash" or a bonus
It is and remains "gambling" and the name is program here
However, I respect your opinion on this and don't want to put you down as "stupid" or something similar
My view on things is just a different one
Greetings
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I signed up 2 years ago everywhere and almost everywhere 4 digit wins, then hardly came what
Since I had like many here the feeling that you are preferred as a new customer, I tested it with several friends
1. i signed up my girlfriend at Mr Green where I won directly 4 stellingen at BoD. And behold 5 explorers 1000 euros in the 10-20th turn
Well I thought can still be coincidence.
Last week Friday my work colleague registers there and wins with 10 euros Deposit 1800 euros...
A day later, another colleague registers there pays 50 euros and wins 900 euros.
I can deposit as much as I want and just get nothing
And I think that many here as newbies have won more and better no matter where than they do later, of course there are exceptions
For me it is certain that nothing is coincidence. In this sense, keep your money... has cost me a minus of just under 50,000
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you will laugh - but you have already written this in this form 1 or 2 times in the forum and I can only agree with you 100%
i have to thank you sometimes actually because I had read the first time (months or weeks ago) your older contributions where you have already explained something similar...and after I started thinking....
the creepy thing I have to give you with 110% right.... so and not otherwise
that's why for me all this is not luck but controlled and still wants to submit to the customer it would be luck which it is not so ergo it is cheating
so @ WithoutWings am 100% your opinion and that's why I'm also out....
like but as I said I just can not emphasize too often my opinion if other people have a different I understand but just do not please personally attack- like I would have played too little- I would have played wrong... ect.pp. something like that you can keep for yourself
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Always 50 euros. Started with Bonanza, 60 cents no 5 min later 180 on the clock 150 pay out .
And last week at wirwetten 50 with bonus
Was immediately away the 50 still 2 times deposited then 800 out, all only Bonanza
Sure it does not always work but mostly with new casinos
If I play in my stammcasinos, it almost never works with 50 €.
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I also view the streamers with massive skepticism and am convinced that something is not right
However, I have also stopped some time ago to look at me or generally look at the wins of others. This is like in the real casino. You just win 500 euros in a really sad session and the guy next to you just wins a year's salary. That's even more frustrating. But that's also casino.
The only point that I can not understand, which many write here, is that they have seen no wins over 500x in years.
I've gotten 3x almost 1,500x in MoneyTrain2 and 1x 2,500x in Legacy of Dead just since this Monday. And I play with really small stakes. So that this should not be possible or extremely rare, I can not stand at all. Today is Wednesday. And I have almost every week at least 1 1000x hit in Legacy of Dead. In the end, it always depends on the stakes.
I think that many just have to learn what it's all about. Without meaning that badly. Many pay daily hundreds of euros and then run nem megahit á la Youtube after. The one hit that changes everything. Of course, they lose permanently
in principle, this can only "work" if you take everything you get and diligently pay out. And wait patiently for the ultimate hit. Yes, even for years
In principle, you have to say that higher stakes generally have more potential than smaller ones. When I used to go to the real casino and permanently gambled on 2-10 euros (with a certain naivety), 10k + more wins in an evening were not uncommon. Often over several days. When I then noticed that this was not forever so dahinging zockte im always smaller and smaller. But then I also began to lose permanently
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It's true that sometimes you have luck with new casinos and then nothing goes.
But it can also go differently. An example. I only ever lost at Videoslots and ultimately closed the account.
Then I came across MrVegas and have registered and only lost, have deposited on the first day immediately times 2500 EUR. But since then, the site runs like stupid for me. I never play extremely, I cashe out after each win and am good five figures in the plus, I always play only the same games. With MrVegas you can filter the games like with VS. Some providers just break me e.g. Thunderkick or Netent, there I have miserable RTP and loss, but e.g. Play N Go or Nyx run abartig. This has been going on for 2 months. Every now and then I take a break of a week and every now and then I spend 500 or 1000 EUR but then I cash out again 2-3000 EUR, once even almost 10,000 EUR.
What can be, is that casinos set a value up to which a player can win, let's say 10,000 EUR and then it's all downhill. Whether a player reaches that in one session or in 10 does not matter, so much he may get, then begins the eating phase. But this is of course only speculation, would also only go at RNG games and not at the live casino.
And then you read again from some people who Deposit 20 EUR and get a Jackpot of 2 million or more, how to turn it, it's crazy and I can understand everyone who is frustrated by gambling. It has cost me the equivalent of an upscale family home over the years. Gambling is many things, just not fair.
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This is the best thing you can do => just stop.
I wish you all the best!
You are doing everything right.
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