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5th May. 2018, at 05:44 pm CEST#31
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However, people assume that they will not be
get screwed over.
But people like you show the new Germany.
I won, I don't care.
And when it goes the other way around, you cry and look for
look for help here.
You represent the typical German.
You can be proud of that.
Have a nice day
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5th May. 2018, at 06:04 pm CEST#32
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Avantgarde83 wrote on 05/05/2018 at 14:25
Is also the only thing you have left. I do not care at all if it is fraud or not...
Wins of several thousand euros speak a different language. Besides, no one knows anything here anyway - as always speculation and babble.
There remains only one thing: Play or do not play, period!
Whether now of the casino employees someone knows what or not, changes nevertheless nothing at all.
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand your statement. Of course I'm interested in whether others have also made such or similar experience, otherwise I would not have created this thread in the first place. Vlt it interests you less, but that must decide everyone for itself and if it was helpful for me to gain more knowledge, then it was worth it. I think that is the point of a forum, namely to be able to exchange ideas. I for one am aware of the criminal machinations of the individual Online Casinos (vlt not all, that can unfortunately not be proven), and other members can confirm my experiences and thereby confirm my suspicions. That is enough for me.
You write I have no other choice... of course not, yet I am far ahead of you and I now know that the hope of a win is not determined by an alleged coincidence, but other factors. Either I accept that and continue playing or I accept that and stop.
To the speculations... I think that much is speculative, as long as no proofs are present for it. And that is exactly what has happened for me now, my experience and that of others is proof enough for me and therefore no longer speculation. Nobody can predict coincidences, otherwise they would be also no more.
In addition, I have already 2x but I repeat it gladly a third time for you written that I hereby NOT CONFIRM THAT NOBODY CAN WIN WHAT, but I claim that this is not the coincidence decides.
I have won at the beginning of my registration at SlotsMillion by a small Deposit, without having deposited much before around 10 000 €, paid out were only 6000 €, but nevertheless that was a pure win. Whether that was a coincidence or not, I can not judge, but one thing is clear, I have since deposited much more and never paid out again. Now that was calculated... may be. I think so, because so far it happened to me in every casino, either you get something at the beginning and then nothing more, or first nothing and then vlt what.
Moreover, I do not claim that this applies to all casinos, but who can assure me that possible Manipulation only applies to blacklisted casinos? The regulatory authority? That is not enough for me. Kurruption is a world wide popular game. As the saying goes ... "Money makes the world go round" or "Everyone can be bought" or "Money doesn't stink", pick a phrase that suits you, because no one can say they are free from doing things for a certain amount of money that they would not only refuse to do for no money offered, no, doing this act would be unimaginable if there was no money involved, but if someone let the ruble roll, then you would be shocked at what you would be capable of. And I'm not talking about a kiosk owner who tries to take over the world with peanuts, it's about millions if not more, because Gauselmann has already earned so much with its machines, online there is of course the possibility of recruiting or capturing a much larger crowd, thus also more profit. And that now coupled with yesterday's events, the confidence is completely lost.
Continue to believe in what you may believe... I no longer believe, because I "know" better.
I still see the problem of the selective perception of the player. I don't want to accuse you of anything, but you write yourself:
I think so, because that's what happened to me in every casino so far, either you get something at the beginning and then nothing more, or first nothing and then you get something.
And mean with it actually nevertheless nothing else than "sometimes one wins and sometimes not". Sure I had that once in a casino that I won with my first Deposit 300€. I also had it once in a casino that I won with my first 5 deposits nothing and then with 10 € No Deposit Bonus 500 € could win and also pay out without problems.
I do not believe that casinos cheat simply because the need for it does not exist. The mathematics alone already provides for permanent win, theoretically the casino wins with every spin that each player makes.
I'm not familiar with the technology but what I can imagine is that some free spins may have a higher AQ? Because if you get for example in a new casino 10FS for Starburst, and believe me I have signed up in very many casinos as a bonus scrounger, you always win with it. And always about 1-2€. It doesn't even matter if you get 10, 20 or just 1FS, you win a little. When the FS are over, the picture also "refreshes" briefly. I think that this is just a graphical representation and everything that may happen runs in the background but it at least reinforces the impression of separate free spins and real money play.
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5th May. 2018, at 06:37 pm CEST#34
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Bones, there's one thing you just don't understand!
Casinos don't need it. VW wouldn't have needed it either.
But there is a difference between earning 20 million without fraud and 40 million with fraud.
Greed is insatiable.
And especially in the casino sector, where there has always been cheating!
Is that naivety with you?
No one here has ever seen anything from an OC, but almost everyone here talks about how safe everything is.
What makes you think that?
Again: the fact that there is no transparency means that people are more likely to cheat than not. That is logical.
No one can be that naive.
Bone, you're talking about an RTP.
Can you check what percentage it is set to? Have you ever seen anything? No one here could distinguish a RTP of 96% to 86%. Only that the casino makes 10% more win! Who guarantees you the RTP?
Exactly, the casino.
The same as rely on me, I have your 5000€ well invested.
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5th May. 2018, at 06:49 pm CEST#35
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stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 10:43: A casino worker at a casino I know well always tells me which slots are doing well,
or in which slots just a lot of money has flowed.
Yes, it makes sense.
Because the Slot machines, insofar as they do not already run on the Internet, each machine stands for itself and these have a payout ratio that they fulfill sooner or later.
That means: If a player loses 10,000 on a machine now, then the machine will be far above the AQ, so it is more likely that he will soon pay out something, so that the excessive value again closer to the actual AQ.
And the casino employee in the casino knows whether a machine has been fed or not.
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5th May. 2018, at 07:04 pm CEST#36
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Absolutely correct.
But still no one knows to which
AQ the machines are set to.
I have never disputed that they pay out at some point.
On the contrary, must also pay out times, otherwise it could close down.
Do you know the AQ at OC?
Who controls them?
If so, where can you see that?
Gambling houses and arcades excluded because of me.
With an egg, you know exactly when it was laid and where the hen lives.
So I could go there and take a look.
OC claim something and I have to accept it. I can't control it, but almost everyone believes it, ironically.
And as long as everyone keeps paying, nothing will ever change!
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5th May. 2018, at 07:04 pm CEST#37
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Bone wrote on 05/05/2018 at 18:26: I still see the problem of selective perception of the player here. I don't want to accuse you of anything but you write yourself:
And mean with it actually yet nothing else than "sometimes you win and sometimes not". Sure I had that once in a casino that I won with my first Deposit 300€. I also had it once in a casino that I won with my first 5 deposits nothing and then with 10 € No Deposit Bonus 500 € could win and also pay out without problems.
I do not believe that casinos cheat simply because the need for it does not exist. The mathematics alone already provides for permanent win, theoretically the casino wins with every spin that each player makes.
I'm not familiar with the technology but what I can imagine is that some free spins may have a higher AQ? Because if you get for example in a new casino 10FS for Starburst, and believe me I have signed up in very many casinos as a bonus scrounger, you always win with it. And always about 1-2€. It doesn't even matter if you get 10, 20 or just 1FS, you win a little. When the FS are over, the picture also "refreshes" briefly. I think that this is just a graphical representation and everything that happens in the background but it strengthens at least the impression of separate free spins and real money play
You are not insinuating anything, that's exactly what I meant. Mal gewinnste times verlierste... that's ok so... comes equal to the principle of luck. However, I criticize that a scheme is behind it, why does it always run exactly like this... why not different? Vlt simply constantly what win, or just lose and I refer now only to a casino. Playing in a particular casino always shows a certain order by achieved win or loss... the coincidence is not logical... it looks arbitrarily.
Of course you're right, the mathematics after, wins anyway in the end the bank, but that is apparently not enough for them, it is manipulated to the point that possible coincidences no longer come about and everything is controllable. The greed for more eats away any morals.
As soon as someone wins something bigger, that person usually gets problems directly when trying to pay out... why, probably because they themselves are so shocked that their defense functions do not always work flawlessly. I have now said so there, how such a thing comes about, I do not know, but vlt to keep up appearances. Nevertheless, there is no one on earth who was ever declared the winner in the long run, that alone is already fraudulent, because the opposite, that is, the bankruptcies are numerous.
If you as a gambler see the whole story as pure entertainment, then all this would be justifiable, but the suggesting of the casinos of close to tangible mega winnings in conjunction with the concealment of the enormous addiction potential, this is really a highly explosive matter.
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5th May. 2018, at 07:04 pm CEST#38
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Absolutely correct.
But still no one knows to which
AQ the machines are set to.
I have never disputed that they pay out at some point.
On the contrary, must also pay out times, otherwise it could close down.
Do you know the AQ at OC?
Who controls them?
If so, where can you see that?
Gambling houses and arcades excluded because of me.
With an egg, you know exactly when it was laid and where the hen lives.
So I could go there and take a look.
OC claim something and I have to accept it. I can't control it, but almost everyone believes it, ironically.
Then one has just had bad luck. Perfect system!
And as long as everyone continues to pay, nothing will ever change!
stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 18:37: bones, one thing you just don't understand!
Casinos didn't need it. VW wouldn't have needed it either.
But there is a difference if I make 20 million without fraud, or 40 million with fraud.
Greed is insatiable.
And especially in the casino sector, where there has always been cheating!
Is that naivety with you?
No one here has ever seen anything from an OC, but almost everyone here talks about how safe everything is.
What makes you think that?
Again: the fact that there is no transparency means that people are more likely to cheat than not. That is logical.
No one can be that naive.
Bone, you're talking about an RTP here.
Can you check what percentage it is set to? Have you ever seen anything? No one here could distinguish a RTP of 96% to 86%. Only that the casino makes 10% more win! Who guarantees you the RTP?
Exactly, the casino.
The same as rely on me, I have your 5000€ well invested.
Wrong, not the casino "guarantees" me the RTP but the Provider, the manufacturer of the slot. He gives a theoretical RTP and that will probably be correct. And why not? The providers profit if as many players as possible play their slot because of the license fees. The casinos make win with the money of the players directly. The cycle works, right? Of course you usually lose, it's gambling, there has never been any gambling in history where you didn't lose most of the time. Perhaps one or the other should take this to heart.
Samira you have raised an important point with which I agree very much. Gambling is entertainment. Paid leisure time. If you want to see it as a hobby then see it as a costly hobby. If you're a movie buff and you spend 300€ a month on cinema, that's a hobby too. If you are a poor movie buff then you probably spend less or watch movies more often at home. I'm honestly a slot freak. I like the thematic settings, I like the feeling of free spins of course and the different modes. But I also like to play for play money or still like to play with a twenty in the pub. I just accept that this is free time for which I pay money and that all the money will be gone. That's okay.
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5th May. 2018, at 07:26 pm CEST#40
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stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 17:44: But people assume they won't be
get screwed over.
But people like you show the new Germany.
I won, I don't care.
And when it goes the other way around, you cry and look for
look for help here.
You represent the typical German.
You can be proud of that.
Have a nice day
That's exactly who I am - the new Germany - what kind of bullshit is that supposed to be in your opinion anyway?
Of course I play to win. And if I lose, I know that it was my own fault and don't cry here.
Your language is also too aggressive for me, I'm out of the discussion...think what you want. Too silly for me.
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get screwed over.
But people like you show the new Germany.
I won, I don't care.
And when it goes the other way around, you cry and look for
look for help here.
You represent the typical German.
You can be proud of that.
Have a nice day
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I'm sorry, but I don't really understand your statement. Of course I'm interested in whether others have also made such or similar experience, otherwise I would not have created this thread in the first place. Vlt it interests you less, but that must decide everyone for itself and if it was helpful for me to gain more knowledge, then it was worth it. I think that is the point of a forum, namely to be able to exchange ideas. I for one am aware of the criminal machinations of the individual Online Casinos (vlt not all, that can unfortunately not be proven), and other members can confirm my experiences and thereby confirm my suspicions. That is enough for me.
You write I have no other choice... of course not, yet I am far ahead of you and I now know that the hope of a win is not determined by an alleged coincidence, but other factors. Either I accept that and continue playing or I accept that and stop.
To the speculations... I think that much is speculative, as long as no proofs are present for it. And that is exactly what has happened for me now, my experience and that of others is proof enough for me and therefore no longer speculation. Nobody can predict coincidences, otherwise they would be also no more.
In addition, I have already 2x but I repeat it gladly a third time for you written that I hereby NOT CONFIRM THAT NOBODY CAN WIN WHAT, but I claim that this is not the coincidence decides.
I have won at the beginning of my registration at SlotsMillion by a small Deposit, without having deposited much before around 10 000 €, paid out were only 6000 €, but nevertheless that was a pure win. Whether that was a coincidence or not, I can not judge, but one thing is clear, I have since deposited much more and never paid out again. Now that was calculated... may be. I think so, because so far it happened to me in every casino, either you get something at the beginning and then nothing more, or first nothing and then vlt what.
Moreover, I do not claim that this applies to all casinos, but who can assure me that possible Manipulation only applies to blacklisted casinos? The regulatory authority? That is not enough for me. Kurruption is a world wide popular game. As the saying goes ... "Money makes the world go round" or "Everyone can be bought" or "Money doesn't stink", pick a phrase that suits you, because no one can say they are free from doing things for a certain amount of money that they would not only refuse to do for no money offered, no, doing this act would be unimaginable if there was no money involved, but if someone let the ruble roll, then you would be shocked at what you would be capable of. And I'm not talking about a kiosk owner who tries to take over the world with peanuts, it's about millions if not more, because Gauselmann has already earned so much with its machines, online there is of course the possibility of recruiting or capturing a much larger crowd, thus also more profit. And that now coupled with yesterday's events, the confidence is completely lost.
Continue to believe in what you may believe... I no longer believe, because I "know" better.
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And mean with it actually nevertheless nothing else than "sometimes one wins and sometimes not". Sure I had that once in a casino that I won with my first Deposit 300€. I also had it once in a casino that I won with my first 5 deposits nothing and then with 10 € No Deposit Bonus 500 € could win and also pay out without problems.
I do not believe that casinos cheat simply because the need for it does not exist. The mathematics alone already provides for permanent win, theoretically the casino wins with every spin that each player makes.
I'm not familiar with the technology but what I can imagine is that some free spins may have a higher AQ? Because if you get for example in a new casino 10FS for Starburst, and believe me I have signed up in very many casinos as a bonus scrounger, you always win with it. And always about 1-2€. It doesn't even matter if you get 10, 20 or just 1FS, you win a little. When the FS are over, the picture also "refreshes" briefly. I think that this is just a graphical representation and everything that may happen runs in the background but it at least reinforces the impression of separate free spins and real money play.
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Casinos don't need it. VW wouldn't have needed it either.
But there is a difference between earning 20 million without fraud and 40 million with fraud.
Greed is insatiable.
And especially in the casino sector, where there has always been cheating!
Is that naivety with you?
No one here has ever seen anything from an OC, but almost everyone here talks about how safe everything is.
What makes you think that?
Again: the fact that there is no transparency means that people are more likely to cheat than not. That is logical.
No one can be that naive.
Bone, you're talking about an RTP.
Can you check what percentage it is set to? Have you ever seen anything? No one here could distinguish a RTP of 96% to 86%. Only that the casino makes 10% more win! Who guarantees you the RTP?
Exactly, the casino.
The same as rely on me, I have your 5000€ well invested.
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Yes, it makes sense.
Because the Slot machines, insofar as they do not already run on the Internet, each machine stands for itself and these have a payout ratio that they fulfill sooner or later.
That means: If a player loses 10,000 on a machine now, then the machine will be far above the AQ, so it is more likely that he will soon pay out something, so that the excessive value again closer to the actual AQ.
And the casino employee in the casino knows whether a machine has been fed or not.
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But still no one knows to which
AQ the machines are set to.
I have never disputed that they pay out at some point.
On the contrary, must also pay out times, otherwise it could close down.
Do you know the AQ at OC?
Who controls them?
If so, where can you see that?
Gambling houses and arcades excluded because of me.
With an egg, you know exactly when it was laid and where the hen lives.
So I could go there and take a look.
OC claim something and I have to accept it. I can't control it, but almost everyone believes it, ironically.
And as long as everyone keeps paying, nothing will ever change!
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You are not insinuating anything, that's exactly what I meant. Mal gewinnste times verlierste... that's ok so... comes equal to the principle of luck. However, I criticize that a scheme is behind it, why does it always run exactly like this... why not different? Vlt simply constantly what win, or just lose and I refer now only to a casino. Playing in a particular casino always shows a certain order by achieved win or loss... the coincidence is not logical... it looks arbitrarily.
Of course you're right, the mathematics after, wins anyway in the end the bank, but that is apparently not enough for them, it is manipulated to the point that possible coincidences no longer come about and everything is controllable. The greed for more eats away any morals.
As soon as someone wins something bigger, that person usually gets problems directly when trying to pay out... why, probably because they themselves are so shocked that their defense functions do not always work flawlessly. I have now said so there, how such a thing comes about, I do not know, but vlt to keep up appearances. Nevertheless, there is no one on earth who was ever declared the winner in the long run, that alone is already fraudulent, because the opposite, that is, the bankruptcies are numerous.
If you as a gambler see the whole story as pure entertainment, then all this would be justifiable, but the suggesting of the casinos of close to tangible mega winnings in conjunction with the concealment of the enormous addiction potential, this is really a highly explosive matter.
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But still no one knows to which
AQ the machines are set to.
I have never disputed that they pay out at some point.
On the contrary, must also pay out times, otherwise it could close down.
Do you know the AQ at OC?
Who controls them?
If so, where can you see that?
Gambling houses and arcades excluded because of me.
With an egg, you know exactly when it was laid and where the hen lives.
So I could go there and take a look.
OC claim something and I have to accept it. I can't control it, but almost everyone believes it, ironically.
Then one has just had bad luck. Perfect system!
And as long as everyone continues to pay, nothing will ever change!
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Wrong, not the casino "guarantees" me the RTP but the Provider, the manufacturer of the slot. He gives a theoretical RTP and that will probably be correct. And why not? The providers profit if as many players as possible play their slot because of the license fees. The casinos make win with the money of the players directly. The cycle works, right? Of course you usually lose, it's gambling, there has never been any gambling in history where you didn't lose most of the time. Perhaps one or the other should take this to heart.
Samira you have raised an important point with which I agree very much. Gambling is entertainment. Paid leisure time. If you want to see it as a hobby then see it as a costly hobby. If you're a movie buff and you spend 300€ a month on cinema, that's a hobby too. If you are a poor movie buff then you probably spend less or watch movies more often at home. I'm honestly a slot freak. I like the thematic settings, I like the feeling of free spins of course and the different modes. But I also like to play for play money or still like to play with a twenty in the pub. I just accept that this is free time for which I pay money and that all the money will be gone. That's okay.
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That's exactly who I am - the new Germany - what kind of bullshit is that supposed to be in your opinion anyway?
Of course I play to win. And if I lose, I know that it was my own fault and don't cry here.
Your language is also too aggressive for me, I'm out of the discussion...think what you want. Too silly for me.
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