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Jeton wants sensitive data
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No, that was UAB PayrNet Lithuania. Because this company did not pay attention to anti-money laundering law, its license was revoked and now it is bankrupt. Oh no, someone here said that there is no such law and you can always shit on it, maybe he also makes contracts without personal data. maybe you can open a bank account with a handshake in some country
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I only play at casinos where the payout process works flawlessly and where few or even no documents are required. So you can't accuse me of double standards, you've just made that up. Or show me a post of mine where I didn't receive my money. Yes, maybe a 2-day wait, which annoyed me, but that's all you'll find.
I should probably be allowed to get upset about bad casinos here. I've had myself completely blocked at ALL casinos that have suddenly demanded proof of wages, and I've also given exactly this procedure as the reason.
And that's exactly my point. There is so much choice of casinos and so many casinos do not require such sensitive data. And if only enough players would block themselves for the same reasons, this practice would quickly come to an end.
And yes, to be honest, if I had a few thousand euros lying around at a casino and they suddenly demanded it, I would think twice. But I would block my account immediately afterwards, no ifs, ands or buts.
Proof from your employer or, like the N1 group, even bank statements from your brother, are simply a limit that you should no longer go along with. If you see it differently, then it's ok, or what is it that annoys you so much? My sentence that people have lost control of their lives? That's the second time you've mentioned it. Just take a deep breath, say Ohhm three times and then you might realize that it wasn't so bad.
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I'm not part of the discussion here, but that's exactly how I see it. You should be very careful about where you send your data and who you make it available to. If it gets into the wrong hands, then a) you know who is gambling "illegally" and b) the revelation can have dire consequences. Especially if you work in a position where you have to manage other people's money.
Sounds surreal to you? Real Life Storytime: I played an online game for years. Over the years they have sold not only game currency, but other stuff. Shoes etc.. Even former office computers. What happened? Data was not deleted properly (by the way, nothing helps here except destroying the data carriers completely or demagnetizing them using a degausser). One of them bought a PC and was able to restore dozens of things there and was thus able to log into countless accounts, steal the valuables there and sell them on. Some accounts had a high 5-digit value. So not peanuts.
And now a serious question: do you believe that data is properly disposed of in Eastern Europe or elsewhere? If you believe that, then I would recommend that you visit a doctor. At most, some kind of "erasure software" is run there and the hardware is sold on.
It's really stupid when people who have hardly any IT affinity are affected by this. How do you log in? With an e-mail address and a password. Many people always use the same password. In the worst case scenario, you not only lose your data, but also other things (email account, social media, etc.). So I can understand why Falke doesn't think the casinos' behavior is okay.
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You have to prove the data relevant to these cases, i.e. your identity, everywhere anyway.
But yes, you're absolutely right, you should be careful with your data.
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Falke
Where do you have to prove where you work and how much you earn (one piece of information is not enough here, they want 3 salary statements)? Paysafe? Not yet noticed. Authorities/credit institutions or similar institutions must be considered separately. We are talking about (private) companies based outside Germany and the EU (for Jeton it is England).
I have no problem with the name, surname, etc. I don't think Falke has a problem with this either. This data has to be provided, otherwise you can't know who has just registered and is using the platform. But not proof of salary. We ask people in Munich how much they earn | Easy German 499 (youtube.com) take a look here. In this survey, people are asked about their income. Many people refuse to give such information. That's their right. So why do companies allow themselves to ask this? Money laundering is a stupid excuse. If, for example, Platin asked me for proof of salary (I've been there), I'd send them my middle finger. An illegal casino, which is banned here, wants to abide by the law? Even if it is this "source of wealth". What good does it do them to make sure that someone can afford to gamble? Does it make the casino less illegal? Hardly. Illegal remains illegal, regardless of whether they abide by any laws.
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I only quoted your first sentences and addressed the problems they contain.
Proof of identity, which all reputable wallets etc. unquestionably want to have, is completely sufficient to allow the conclusion of illegal gambling in the wrong hands.
What does proof of salary have to do with it?
But yes, send as little data as possible, no question. I have never sent proof of salary anywhere.
To mention one positive point of the regulation, even if it's the only one, it's that Verification has become easier (preferably via idnow or similar and not schufa😬)
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Not necessarily. How am I supposed to know where Mr. Max Mustermann works in 12345 Musterstadt? Unless you do further research and find these people on LinkedIn/Xing or whatever else there is. Not everyone can be found there. You won't find me there either. By the way, I'm not warning you that the police could get hold of this information. That would be half as bad. It would be worse if criminal people/organizations got hold of this information. You can clearly see what can happen if you are so naive and send things on without thinking on eBay or in Facebook sales groups.
By the way, with a salary statement you can see directly where Mr. Max Mustermann works and how much he earns. Is there little you can do with that? Google Maps and you can see where the guy lives. If the good Mr. Mustermann earns a lot, then an unannounced visit (when Mr. Mustermann is not present, of course) could be worthwhile. You could do other things with it, but I'll leave it at that. Not that anyone thinks I'm a criminal xD LOL
My argument is that other people's criticism and concerns are perfectly understandable. My post wasn't directly directed at you either. If there are people who have no problem sharing data, then that's okay too. But you should also think about those who don't agree and have a problem. Years ago, for example, Platin wanted to look so deeply into the pocket of the user WithoutWings that it made you want to vomit. It went so far that they wanted to know whether he had inherited anything, etc. Feel free to ask him or look at the post. I can only vaguely remember him mentioning it to me once. How do you justify that kind of behavior? You can't justify something like that.
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I was only concerned with the statement that if the data falls into the wrong hands, the person knows that Mr. Mustermann is gambling illegally. And a name, address, ID card, whatever, and proof of salary is not necessary. Or was it about the fact that someone could tell on you to your employer, then I misunderstood or I don't think it was in your first post.
To put an end to this from my side:
I also want to disclose as little data as possible, I'm not on social media, I don't submit salary slips anywhere, etc...
We are 100 percent in agreement. The more data you collect, the worse it is if you lose it.
When a casino demands something like that, I usually just think of harassment, delaying payouts, etc.
In the case of the Jeton wallet, these reasons no longer apply.
That's why I suggested the idea that there may well be certain requirements on the part of financial regulation, legislators, etc. that can be met in a variety of ways.
Perhaps a system with random checks is sufficient, perhaps some users are checked using some kind of algorithm.
Maybe it's the sum of money movements, whatever.
I think I've never left any doubt that I don't like it either and would stop using it.
(at least for normal customers, it can also make sense for certain amounts)
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That was my point, yes. Depending on the position, you can't even have a bad credit rating. This applies to jobs where you work directly with money. Now imagine that a bad person gets hold of this sensitive data. The person could contact you and blackmail you. But if the person only wants to cause damage, then it is enough to pass this information on to the employer. How quickly do you think you'll be out of a job?
With Jeton, you couldn't be accused of anything like gambling. That wasn't my problem either. I'm just wondering why Jeton requires this when other (similar) companies don't. Does Paysafe require this? Yes, you have to register and show your ID. That's enough. In my opinion, they have never asked for proof of salary. What for?
If a casino asks for something like that, it's usually before a payout (i.e. harassment etc.), you're right. But you don't have to prove anything to them. They are therefore not allowed to freeze or withhold your balance, they still have to pay it out to you, even if you refuse to provide this information. This alone shows that their actions have no legal validity, otherwise they would be allowed to freeze accounts. A casino is not an authority. Incidentally, Jeton is not an authority either. They are not allowed to freeze your credit just because you don't send them proof of wages.
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Why could something like gambling not be assumed with Jeton?
If data is hacked or something else, then the associated transactions to the casinos can also be involved.
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That would have to be a major hack. Accounts being hacked is rather unlikely. I mean something like a data leak. That's more likely, happens from time to time with other companies (recently with Rockstar for GTA VI^^).
With a data leak you usually only have usernames and maybe access to personal information, but for the transactions you would have to get complete access to the account. You can't prove gambling with these few pieces of data. You can simply use Jeton as a credit card or something else.
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