frapi07 wrote on December 23rd, 2023 at 02:12 am:
Well, the first part was actually written seriously. It was a criminal offense. This will not become time-barred after 5-10 years, regardless of whether the casino is still operating or has been closed down. The statute of limitations for a criminal offense really does take longer.
The second part was meant as a joke. In the end, I also made fun of it by advising the TE to flee. I mean, come on, as if they deploy so many special units for something like that. Thought it would be taken as a joke. Apparently not. Sorry to the TE if that scared you.
That counts as fraud and the statute of limitations is 5 years.
The state is obliged to provide you with proof of every single spin in a foreign casino. They can state the depositor and the possible payout, but they have no idea what happened in between. Ergo, the only option is an indictment for "suspected" illegal gambling. However, if the casino provides the session histories, it is definitely too late to cover up anything here. But I assume that this will not happen (Soar Ltd. is I think 4starscasino Curacao)
Keep your feet still and wait.
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 06:28 am CET#19
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frapi07 wrote on December 23rd, 2023 at 02:12 am:
Well, the first part was actually written seriously. It was a criminal offense. This will not become time-barred after 5-10 years, regardless of whether the casino is still operating or has been closed down. The statute of limitations for a criminal offense really does take longer.
The second part was meant as a joke. In the end, I also made fun of it by advising the TE to flee. I mean, come on, as if they deploy so many special units for something like that. Thought it would be taken as a joke. Apparently not. Sorry to the TE if that scared you.
Don't worry, you could already recognize it somehow I think the TE actually wanted to hide his OC gambling traces although it makes little sense - the casinos no longer exist and so the letter is the result of an investigation that has already taken place, so they already know everything anyway and are even offering him an end to the investigation here:D
Actually, to be more precise, this is called "subsidy fraud" and the statute of limitations for this is 5 years, as you rightly said. To be honest, I don't know much about law. I always thought that every criminal offense had a 20-year statute of limitations. I picked it up somewhere, I think with robbery or something. Not that I had planned this crime I think I saw a report.
gamble1 wrote on 23.12.2023 at 06:28:
Don't worry you could already recognize it somehow Think the TE actually wanted to hide his OC gambling tracks although it makes little sense the casinos no longer exist and so the letter is the result of investigations that have already taken place so they already know everything anyway and even offer him an end to the investigation here:D
I still find it interesting that they a) got hold of his data and b) demanded a sum of money. That worries me, because the casinos don't seem to destroy their data properly.
frapi07 wrote on 23.12.2023 at 09:43:
I still find it exciting that a) they got hold of your data and b) demanded a sum of money. This worries me because the casinos apparently don't destroy their data properly.
The casino doesn't even have to have anything to do with it, but payment with the bank to the casino is enough
Strictly speaking, it's good if a sum of money is demanded, but it's certainly not because they're so nice, but simply because a) there are too many cases b) a criminal offense is too minor and you don't want to have the costs of a trial c) certainly even if you're not 100% sure of winning the trial
For the TE, however, it only has advantages apart from the payment because he has no Risk and no potential conviction and thus a possible entry in the criminal record and, depending on the interpretation, he cannot be charged again for the same offense because I estimate it that way if the awareness of illegality has taken place, even if he had 20 other casinos, everything should still be one and the same offense
I would pay the fun immediately without batting an eyelid everything else would be stupid why take the chance
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 11:15 am CET#22
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gamble1 wrote on 23.12.2023 at 10:17 am:
The casino doesn't even have to have anything to do with it, but payment with the bank to casino is enough
Strictly speaking, it is good if a sum of money is demanded, but certainly not because they are so nice but simply because a) there are too many cases b) a criminal offense is too small and you don't want to have the costs of a trial c) certainly even if you are not 100% sure to win the trial
For the TE, however, it only has advantages apart from the payment because he has no Risk and no potential conviction and thus a possible entry in the criminal record and, depending on the interpretation, he cannot be charged again for the same offense because I estimate it that way if the awareness of illegality has taken place, even if he had 20 other casinos, everything should still be one and the same offense
I would pay for the fun immediately without batting an eyelid, everything else would be stupid, why take the chance
I would agree with that. But I have to disagree with you on the last sentence .
If you pay the 500 and there is something against you again at some point, it will certainly be more expensive, because they know he will pay "without batting an eyelid".
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 11:56 am CET#23
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Hello, maybe you can help me too 😂
I received a letter of summons last week, I canceled it and haven't heard anything else yet, but of course I'm still worried and I just can't find anything. Have there been any convictions? Why can't I find anything about this on the internet? 😂
But in my case it only said
"Participation in unauthorized gambling"
Time of offense: xx.xx.xx23 0:00 am.
At that time, I was only playing at one of the casinos on the white list.
I had an incident at the bank, of course I was stupid enough to give them the name of C. But this was all at the beginning of the year... kind of weird.
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 11:58 am CET#24
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I would also make sure that the mail really comes from the public prosecutor's office.
It is often the case in these cases that the payment is not made to the state treasury but to a charitable organization
Association. If it is an IBAN with a foreign account, it is clear anyway that it is a scam.
But the author of the thread will certainly have already checked this.
I had already asked the question once, it is forbidden in Germany to play in unlicensed casinos
but when I am abroad, whether in the EU or other countries, the German laws no longer apply
no longer apply. The onus is on the public prosecutor to prove that I was gambling from Germany.
Of course, if there is evidence that I played on 300 days, I will have to prove that I was abroad.
But if you live near the border, it might be difficult to prove that you were gambling from Germany.
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 01:40 pm CET#25
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Max_Bet wrote on December 23rd, 2023 at 11:15 am:
I would agree with that. But I have to disagree with you on the last sentence .
If you pay the 500 and there is something against you again at some point, it will certainly be more expensive because they know he pays "without batting an eyelid".
But the question is, can they prosecute you again for the same thing?
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 01:56 pm CET#26
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T****d wrote on 23.12.2023 at 00:08: The thing is that the 3 groups that are listed don't even exist anymore, let alone I played there YEARS ago.
Soar Malta LTD, Every Matrix LTD, Online Casino Deutschland AG.
I don't check it.
This will be a fake letter. Have you checked which account you should pay the €500 into?
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23rd Dec. 2023, at 02:54 pm CET#28
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Bluehope wrote on December 23rd, 2023 at 1:56 pm:
This will be a fake letter. Have you checked to which account you should pay the 500 €?
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Well theoretically the banks no longer check the names I could also send you an account now with the name Bundeskasse XYZ and my data so the objection is very good
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That counts as fraud and the statute of limitations is 5 years.
https://kujus-strafverteidigung.de/strafrechts-abc/verjaehrung-von-straftaten/
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Don't worry, you could already recognize it somehow I think the TE actually wanted to hide his OC gambling traces although it makes little sense - the casinos no longer exist and so the letter is the result of an investigation that has already taken place, so they already know everything anyway and are even offering him an end to the investigation here:D
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Actually, to be more precise, this is called "subsidy fraud" and the statute of limitations for this is 5 years, as you rightly said. To be honest, I don't know much about law. I always thought that every criminal offense had a 20-year statute of limitations. I picked it up somewhere, I think with robbery or something. Not that I had planned this crime I think I saw a report.
I still find it interesting that they a) got hold of his data and b) demanded a sum of money. That worries me, because the casinos don't seem to destroy their data properly.
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The casino doesn't even have to have anything to do with it, but payment with the bank to the casino is enough
Strictly speaking, it's good if a sum of money is demanded, but it's certainly not because they're so nice, but simply because a) there are too many cases b) a criminal offense is too minor and you don't want to have the costs of a trial c) certainly even if you're not 100% sure of winning the trial
For the TE, however, it only has advantages apart from the payment because he has no Risk and no potential conviction and thus a possible entry in the criminal record and, depending on the interpretation, he cannot be charged again for the same offense because I estimate it that way if the awareness of illegality has taken place, even if he had 20 other casinos, everything should still be one and the same offense
I would pay the fun immediately without batting an eyelid everything else would be stupid why take the chance
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I would agree with that. But I have to disagree with you on the last sentence .
If you pay the 500 and there is something against you again at some point, it will certainly be more expensive, because they know he will pay "without batting an eyelid".
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I received a letter of summons last week, I canceled it and haven't heard anything else yet, but of course I'm still worried and I just can't find anything. Have there been any convictions? Why can't I find anything about this on the internet? 😂
But in my case it only said
"Participation in unauthorized gambling"
Time of offense: xx.xx.xx23 0:00 am.
At that time, I was only playing at one of the casinos on the white list.
I had an incident at the bank, of course I was stupid enough to give them the name of C. But this was all at the beginning of the year... kind of weird.
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It is often the case in these cases that the payment is not made to the state treasury but to a charitable organization
Association. If it is an IBAN with a foreign account, it is clear anyway that it is a scam.
But the author of the thread will certainly have already checked this.
I had already asked the question once, it is forbidden in Germany to play in unlicensed casinos
but when I am abroad, whether in the EU or other countries, the German laws no longer apply
no longer apply. The onus is on the public prosecutor to prove that I was gambling from Germany.
Of course, if there is evidence that I played on 300 days, I will have to prove that I was abroad.
But if you live near the border, it might be difficult to prove that you were gambling from Germany.
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But the question is, can they prosecute you again for the same thing?
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This will be a fake letter. Have you checked which account you should pay the €500 into?
Important: Keep calm
Ah thread creator has already deleted himself
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Well theoretically the banks no longer check the names I could also send you an account now with the name Bundeskasse XYZ and my data so the objection is very good
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