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30th Nov. 2018, at 10:28 pm CET#161
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Champion280667 wrote on 11/29/2018 at 1:21 pm Deposit just now.
Well the one with the 18 years contradicts the report quite strongly, there they talk about 11-16 years.
How is such a thing possible when they control so strictly before the kids pay in. (unfortunately they only check when they pay out)
AGB's should hold nevertheless everyone times the hand highly who reads this juridical Hickhack always completely.
I see no hands
That is controlled only when paying out is of course cheating and I also find that here often the control obligation is not fulfilled.
Also in Spielos I know which it with the ID obligation not so closely see, the do not pay attention so exactly on it. Some demand the ID and do not even look 1 second on it, is just to look as if you had mistaken in a control and the "normal" never happens.
Like Jugensschutz: also Player protection hardly exists, some casinos make this intentionally unattractive (eg The NoBonus Casino there you get no Cashback over the limit, if you have 200 euro limit and 200 euros deposited there is no cashback, ...)
The limits usually slow down the player for the moment, they do not protect. Generally the behavior should be checked, who always deposits more and more has to be recognized by the system as an addict at some point or if someone wants to deposit a huge amount after a certain loss... often only a short timeout with the message "Do you really want to deposit X Euro?" is enough Then the deposit is blocked for 15 minutes, that alone is enough to sivh briefly to reflect.
Addicts also set limits, everyone has this moment where you can think clearly. During the game it often goes through with one, you have to come down first. Sure, the 15 minutes don't save everyone, but they help to think about it for a moment.
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I have a big hunch...
1st Dec. 2018, at 11:17 am CET#162
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Good statement, I think you hit the nail right on the head here 👍
It also proves how larsch the Kontrolllen of the supervisory authorities are. If they do not even determine this violation of the age requirements (1+1=2) how should they determine the live Roulette with complex technical means are manipulated. The main thing is to roll the scratch and not to step too hard on anyone's feet.
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2nd Dec. 2018, at 05:58 pm CET#163
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Also in this video I bet alternately red-black and live Roulette always does the opposite nicely
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2nd Dec. 2018, at 06:04 pm CET#164
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So I do it today
I know as soon as I log in comes alternately once red and once black constantly repeating and win thereby only.
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2nd Dec. 2018, at 09:42 pm CET#165
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Please let me tell you something else:
Every online casino has contracts with the game developers or a licensor who regulates the contracts.
Let's assume that 10 different Online Casinos offer the same game from Netent, then this does not mean that all players from the 10 casinos have the same conditions to win or lose.
Because for each online casino the game will be uploaded separately on the Netent server, i.e. 10 online casinos all offer the same game but with different contracts and therefore also with different RTP's.
At Netent, the game is virtually 10 times with different settings available on the server.
In addition, it is often smiled here about cookies. This is a big mistake. It is even worse to claim that you always have the same chances of winning in the long run with the same IP address.
Cookies allow the providers to analyze our gaming behavior completely and with the IP address they assign this gaming behavior to a player.
Almost every Netent game, by the way, is made aware of the storage of cookies (but you can not refuse and therefore not DSGVO compliant but that probably juckt the fewest online casinos).
The pattern is in my opinion always the same.
You register somewhere with a clean IP address and win at the beginning very often. Yes it rains only so free spins and you think the luck with the spoon to have eaten.
Over time, the wins are less and less or you are stalled with bogus wins (1 euro on 1.50 euro stake).
I am fortunately still in the plus compared to the online casinos but probably only because I can look at the whole issue, thanks to my IT training, from a different angle. And in the long run, this would probably not remain so, which is why I have also resolved to no longer invest so much time in gambling.
Because if I think about how much money I could have earned if the available time had gone into work instead of gambling, I would have had a lot more of it, both financially and psychologically.
In this sense I wish you all a nice evening
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3rd Dec. 2018, at 02:06 am CET#166
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rozey wrote on 02/12/2018 at 21:42: Please let something else be said:
Every online casino has contracts with the game developers or a licensor that regulates the contracts.
Let's say 10 different Online Casinos offer the same game from Netent, this does not mean that all players from the 10 casinos have the same conditions to win or lose.
Because for each online casino the game will be uploaded separately on the Netent server, i.e. 10 online casinos all offer the same game but with different contracts and therefore also with different RTP's.
At Netent, the game is virtually 10 times with different settings available on the server.
In addition, it is often smiled here about cookies. This is a big mistake. It is even worse to claim that you always have the same chances of winning in the long run with the same IP address.
Cookies allow the providers to analyze our gaming behavior completely and with the IP address they assign this gaming behavior to a player.
Almost every Netent game, by the way, is made aware of the storage of cookies (but you can not refuse and therefore not DSGVO compliant but that probably juckt the fewest online casinos).
The pattern is in my opinion always the same.
You register somewhere with a clean IP address and win at the beginning very often. Yes it rains only so free spins and you think the luck with the spoon to have eaten.
Over time, the wins are less and less or you are stalled with bogus wins (1 euro on 1.50 euro stake).
I am fortunately still in the plus compared to the online casinos but probably only because I can look at the whole issue, thanks to my IT training, from a different angle. And in the long run, this would probably not remain so, which is why I have also resolved to no longer invest so much time in gambling.
Because if I think about how much money I could have earned if the available time had gone into work instead of gambling, I would have had a lot more of it, both financially and psychologically.
In this sense I wish you all a nice evening
What kind of IT training do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
You can change the IP, you can delete the cookies, ... you should be aware of that with an IT education. You could recognize the player much simply by the login data or by the email address, for that you don't have to store such secretive things. In addition, the casinos have contracts with the slot providers, of course, the casinos pay fees for the use of the slots. How these are exactly unlocked is not known, however, the RTP at Netent is always the same - since they only offer one version. Playn Go, however, offers several versions, depending on the licensing, this is also easily visible.
Even though I can't quite follow your interpretation. Purely mathematically, the time to stop is especially good when you are in the plus. Because in the long run, even if you don't want to hear it, you are on the losing side. How can you complain about losing money when the whole gambling construct online is built on it? This 92 to 99% RTP is not as extremely high as some people imagine, the money you keep getting back and keep putting in by spinning again and again does count. You can get to 96% RTP in an absolutely bad session and end up with 0 €. As soon as the RTP is so roughly below 70% feels after my Beoabachtung the player extremely annoyed.
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3rd Dec. 2018, at 12:13 pm CET#167
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rozey wrote on 02/12/2018 at 21:42: Please let something else be said:
Every online casino has contracts with the game developers or a licensor that regulates the contracts.
Let's say 10 different Online Casinos offer the same game from Netent, this does not mean that all players from the 10 casinos have the same conditions to win or lose.
Because for each online casino the game will be uploaded separately on the Netent server, i.e. 10 online casinos all offer the same game but with different contracts and therefore with different RTP's.
At Netent, the game is virtually 10 times with different settings available on the server.
In addition, it is often smiled here about cookies. This is a big mistake. It is even worse to claim that you always have the same chances of winning in the long run with the same IP address.
Cookies allow the providers to analyze our gaming behavior completely and with the IP address they assign this gaming behavior to a player.
Almost every Netent game, by the way, is made aware of the storage of cookies (but you can not refuse and therefore not DSGVO compliant but that probably juckt the fewest online casinos).
The pattern is in my opinion always the same.
You register somewhere with a clean IP address and win at the beginning very often. Yes it rains only so free spins and you think the luck with the spoon to have eaten.
Over time, the wins are less and less or you are stalled with bogus wins (1 euro on 1.50 euro stake).
I am fortunately still in the plus compared to the online casinos but probably only because I can look at the whole issue, thanks to my IT training, from a different angle. And in the long run, this would probably not remain so, which is why I have also resolved to no longer invest so much time in gambling.
Because if I think about how much money I could have earned if the available time had gone into work instead of gambling, I would have had a lot more of it, both financially and psychologically.
In this sense I wish you all a nice evening
Question to the IT-specialist: With which technique or program could the Manipulation as in the previous films be proved that it would be admissible as evidence in court.
All my films show that exactly from my login at Live Roulette the winning colors change from random to regular. I can prove this with fifty proof films.
I have explained the reason in detail in previous statements.
For me there is no plausible explanation for a random game analogy which always starts exactly at my login. How do IT specialists see this?
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3rd Dec. 2018, at 12:30 pm CET#168
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Ankor wrote on 03/12/2018 at 02:06 PM
What kind of IT education do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
You can change the IP, you can delete the cookies, ... you should be aware of that with an IT education. You could recognize the player much simply by the login data or by the email address, for that you don't have to store such secretive things. In addition, the casinos have contracts with the slot providers, of course, the casinos pay fees for the use of the slots. How these are exactly unlocked is not known, however, the RTP at Netent is always the same - since they only offer one version. Playn Go, however, offers several versions, depending on the licensing, this is also easily visible.
No, you cannot delete these cookies. Just one example: Not logged in to GUTS for over a year. In the time thousands of times cookies completely deleted, also with extra programs for it, which carry out a deep cleaning. Cleaned all browser data in such a way that my PC should have been shining with cleanliness. IP changes daily, also had Incognito browser.
GUTS opened - was greeted with my first name before I even logged in.
Next example: settings of some slots e.g. at Microgaming. Set quickspin, coin value, level etc. If I then play even days later and after deleting all browser data several times, exactly these settings are still preserved, and in other casinos on the same slot.
This means nothing other than that the game manufacturers apparently save all the player's settings, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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3rd Dec. 2018, at 02:13 pm CET#169
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Coffee light wrote on 03/12/2018 at 12:30 PM
No, you can not delete these cookies. Just an example: not logged in to GUTS for over a year. In the time thousands of times cookies completely deleted, even with extra programs for it, which run a deep clean. Cleaned all browser data in such a way that my PC should have been shining with cleanliness. IP changes daily, also had Incognito browser.
GUTS opened - was greeted with my first name before I even logged in.
Next example: settings of some slots e.g. at Microgaming. Set quickspin, coin value, level etc. If I then play even days later and after deleting all browser data several times, exactly these settings are still preserved, and in other casinos on the same slot.
This means nothing other than that the game manufacturers apparently save all the player's settings, and there is nothing you can do about it.
You are aware that cookies are stored locally on your computer? You don't need any cleaning software for that, the cookies can be easily deleted in the browser or you search locally on your computer and delete the corresponding data. If you do not trust the deletion in the browser, you can search yourself on the computer, for example, for Google Chrome by [Windows key] + [E] first open "This PC" then click on the top of the address bar and enter the following:
"%localappdata%\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\"
("Default" is the profile name of the settings, if you ever created a completely new set you have to replace it with the profile name. You can also look yourself by crossing out Default and seeing a name you entered yourself or "Profile1", "Profile2", ...)
But if you delete cookies here, you can't differentiate them, i.e. you delete all cookies and not only for certain websites. Thus, among other things, font sizes, passwords ... settings will also disappear on other pages. Who wants can use a cleaning software, in my opinion, the Windows tools and the browser are enough, and then click everything he wants to delete.
Because for each online casino the game will be uploaded separately on the Netent server, i.e. 10 Online Casinos all offer the same game but with different contracts and therefore also with different RTPs.
This is not how a client (slot you see) - server (which determines the wins) infrastructure usually works. This only applies when a server can no longer handle the number of game requests, then there is another server. That a casino can set the RTP is very doubtful, only a promotion mode I would grant you there. "Switched on" there is certainly nothing.
Through cookies, the providers can completely analyze our gaming behavior
Cookies are at best for fine-tuning the data already collected by the casino or slot software. Here is an article on browser fingerprinting from January 2017
One registers somewhere with a clean IP address
Since IPs are usually assigned dynamically to normal customers, the theory is unfortunately untenable.
@Champion280667
With which technology or program the Manipulation could be proven as in the previous films
A technology does not give so seen, you remain for the proof only the data collection which must be however in itself conclusive. Make for example a video without interruptions over a longer period (e.g. 2h) in which you go into the Roulette, your Bets make e.g. 10 times red successively. Shortly go out of the game and directly back in and again the same. The probative value results in the gambling from the probability with which the indicated play courses can occur. If you lose 10 times red in a row the first time, the probability is high, but if you do this 3 times in a row in an uninterrupted video, the probability is low that it is "bad luck" and gains enormously in evidential value the more often this (uncut) occurs in a row. 50 individual films are of no use to you because they could be selected in principle (I do not want to insinuate you) selectively.
@Kaffeelicht
This means nothing other than that the game manufacturers apparently save all the player's settings, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Here again the reference to the article I linked about fingerprinting. And you are right, there is nothing you can do about it - at least not effectively in the long run
@Ankor
You can get to 96% RTP in an absolutely bad session and end up with €0.
No, at 96% RTP you still have 96% of the money you bet when you end the session (This is how the myRTP values are determined at Videoslots, for example). If you turn down to 0€ then you have 0% RTP.
But you are not completely wrong because the RTP value is still missing the number of spins. Unfortunately, this ratio can not be put down as a blanket because the RTP value would have to be applied to the lifetime of the slot. The normal return in a game around 70% I can confirm (according to my observations), it tears however strongly up or down from a BigWin comes or if the slot runs very badly (logical). Nevertheless, you move regardless of this within the specified RTP - you could also say: If you have less than your (specified) 96% RTP at a slot you would have to continue playing in principle as long as (please do not do!) because the more spins the more the slot would have to approach this value. And in order not to "falsify" the whole thing, only one single bet size may be played and also only at one single slot.
Strongly simplified example:
You Deposit 1000€ - you play only Reactoons on 1€ and the box gives nothing except for a few intermediate winnings and the money is (sooner or later) gone - here you have a RTP of 0%
Now you think "I'd rather make smaller deposits" and deposit 20 Euro the next day (again Reactoonz on 1€), spin on 1€, win and get paid 220€ - that would be a RTP of 1000%
Question: What is your RTP ? Yes exactly, RTP would be 500% but your loss of money would be 78% and therefore for me the RTP value is one of the most overestimated data at all.
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That is controlled only when paying out is of course cheating and I also find that here often the control obligation is not fulfilled.
Also in Spielos I know which it with the ID obligation not so closely see, the do not pay attention so exactly on it. Some demand the ID and do not even look 1 second on it, is just to look as if you had mistaken in a control and the "normal" never happens.
Like Jugensschutz: also Player protection hardly exists, some casinos make this intentionally unattractive (eg The NoBonus Casino there you get no Cashback over the limit, if you have 200 euro limit and 200 euros deposited there is no cashback, ...)
The limits usually slow down the player for the moment, they do not protect. Generally the behavior should be checked, who always deposits more and more has to be recognized by the system as an addict at some point or if someone wants to deposit a huge amount after a certain loss... often only a short timeout with the message "Do you really want to deposit X Euro?" is enough Then the deposit is blocked for 15 minutes, that alone is enough to sivh briefly to reflect.
Addicts also set limits, everyone has this moment where you can think clearly. During the game it often goes through with one, you have to come down first. Sure, the 15 minutes don't save everyone, but they help to think about it for a moment.
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It also proves how larsch the Kontrolllen of the supervisory authorities are. If they do not even determine this violation of the age requirements (1+1=2) how should they determine the live Roulette with complex technical means are manipulated. The main thing is to roll the scratch and not to step too hard on anyone's feet.
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I know as soon as I log in comes alternately once red and once black constantly repeating and win thereby only.
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Every online casino has contracts with the game developers or a licensor who regulates the contracts.
Let's assume that 10 different Online Casinos offer the same game from Netent, then this does not mean that all players from the 10 casinos have the same conditions to win or lose.
Because for each online casino the game will be uploaded separately on the Netent server, i.e. 10 online casinos all offer the same game but with different contracts and therefore also with different RTP's.
At Netent, the game is virtually 10 times with different settings available on the server.
In addition, it is often smiled here about cookies. This is a big mistake. It is even worse to claim that you always have the same chances of winning in the long run with the same IP address.
Cookies allow the providers to analyze our gaming behavior completely and with the IP address they assign this gaming behavior to a player.
Almost every Netent game, by the way, is made aware of the storage of cookies (but you can not refuse and therefore not DSGVO compliant but that probably juckt the fewest online casinos).
The pattern is in my opinion always the same.
You register somewhere with a clean IP address and win at the beginning very often. Yes it rains only so free spins and you think the luck with the spoon to have eaten.
Over time, the wins are less and less or you are stalled with bogus wins (1 euro on 1.50 euro stake).
I am fortunately still in the plus compared to the online casinos but probably only because I can look at the whole issue, thanks to my IT training, from a different angle. And in the long run, this would probably not remain so, which is why I have also resolved to no longer invest so much time in gambling.
Because if I think about how much money I could have earned if the available time had gone into work instead of gambling, I would have had a lot more of it, both financially and psychologically.
In this sense I wish you all a nice evening
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What kind of IT training do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
You can change the IP, you can delete the cookies, ... you should be aware of that with an IT education. You could recognize the player much simply by the login data or by the email address, for that you don't have to store such secretive things. In addition, the casinos have contracts with the slot providers, of course, the casinos pay fees for the use of the slots. How these are exactly unlocked is not known, however, the RTP at Netent is always the same - since they only offer one version. Playn Go, however, offers several versions, depending on the licensing, this is also easily visible.
Even though I can't quite follow your interpretation. Purely mathematically, the time to stop is especially good when you are in the plus. Because in the long run, even if you don't want to hear it, you are on the losing side. How can you complain about losing money when the whole gambling construct online is built on it? This 92 to 99% RTP is not as extremely high as some people imagine, the money you keep getting back and keep putting in by spinning again and again does count. You can get to 96% RTP in an absolutely bad session and end up with 0 €. As soon as the RTP is so roughly below 70% feels after my Beoabachtung the player extremely annoyed.
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Question to the IT-specialist: With which technique or program could the Manipulation as in the previous films be proved that it would be admissible as evidence in court.
All my films show that exactly from my login at Live Roulette the winning colors change from random to regular. I can prove this with fifty proof films.
I have explained the reason in detail in previous statements.
For me there is no plausible explanation for a random game analogy which always starts exactly at my login. How do IT specialists see this?
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No, you cannot delete these cookies. Just one example: Not logged in to GUTS for over a year. In the time thousands of times cookies completely deleted, also with extra programs for it, which carry out a deep cleaning. Cleaned all browser data in such a way that my PC should have been shining with cleanliness. IP changes daily, also had Incognito browser.
GUTS opened - was greeted with my first name before I even logged in.
Next example: settings of some slots e.g. at Microgaming. Set quickspin, coin value, level etc. If I then play even days later and after deleting all browser data several times, exactly these settings are still preserved, and in other casinos on the same slot.
This means nothing other than that the game manufacturers apparently save all the player's settings, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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I have a big hunch...
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You are aware that cookies are stored locally on your computer? You don't need any cleaning software for that, the cookies can be easily deleted in the browser or you search locally on your computer and delete the corresponding data. If you do not trust the deletion in the browser, you can search yourself on the computer, for example, for Google Chrome by [Windows key] + [E] first open "This PC" then click on the top of the address bar and enter the following:
"%localappdata%\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\"
("Default" is the profile name of the settings, if you ever created a completely new set you have to replace it with the profile name. You can also look yourself by crossing out Default and seeing a name you entered yourself or "Profile1", "Profile2", ...)
But if you delete cookies here, you can't differentiate them, i.e. you delete all cookies and not only for certain websites. Thus, among other things, font sizes, passwords ... settings will also disappear on other pages. Who wants can use a cleaning software, in my opinion, the Windows tools and the browser are enough, and then click everything he wants to delete.
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This is not how a client (slot you see) - server (which determines the wins) infrastructure usually works. This only applies when a server can no longer handle the number of game requests, then there is another server. That a casino can set the RTP is very doubtful, only a promotion mode I would grant you there. "Switched on" there is certainly nothing.
Cookies are at best for fine-tuning the data already collected by the casino or slot software. Here is an article on browser fingerprinting from January 2017
Since IPs are usually assigned dynamically to normal customers, the theory is unfortunately untenable.
@Champion280667
A technology does not give so seen, you remain for the proof only the data collection which must be however in itself conclusive. Make for example a video without interruptions over a longer period (e.g. 2h) in which you go into the Roulette, your Bets make e.g. 10 times red successively. Shortly go out of the game and directly back in and again the same. The probative value results in the gambling from the probability with which the indicated play courses can occur. If you lose 10 times red in a row the first time, the probability is high, but if you do this 3 times in a row in an uninterrupted video, the probability is low that it is "bad luck" and gains enormously in evidential value the more often this (uncut) occurs in a row. 50 individual films are of no use to you because they could be selected in principle (I do not want to insinuate you) selectively.
@Kaffeelicht
Here again the reference to the article I linked about fingerprinting. And you are right, there is nothing you can do about it - at least not effectively in the long run
@Ankor
No, at 96% RTP you still have 96% of the money you bet when you end the session (This is how the myRTP values are determined at Videoslots, for example). If you turn down to 0€ then you have 0% RTP.
But you are not completely wrong because the RTP value is still missing the number of spins. Unfortunately, this ratio can not be put down as a blanket because the RTP value would have to be applied to the lifetime of the slot. The normal return in a game around 70% I can confirm (according to my observations), it tears however strongly up or down from a BigWin comes or if the slot runs very badly (logical). Nevertheless, you move regardless of this within the specified RTP - you could also say: If you have less than your (specified) 96% RTP at a slot you would have to continue playing in principle as long as (please do not do!) because the more spins the more the slot would have to approach this value. And in order not to "falsify" the whole thing, only one single bet size may be played and also only at one single slot.
Strongly simplified example:
You Deposit 1000€ - you play only Reactoons on 1€ and the box gives nothing except for a few intermediate winnings and the money is (sooner or later) gone - here you have a RTP of 0%
Now you think "I'd rather make smaller deposits" and deposit 20 Euro the next day (again Reactoonz on 1€), spin on 1€, win and get paid 220€ - that would be a RTP of 1000%
Question: What is your RTP ? Yes exactly, RTP would be 500% but your loss of money would be 78% and therefore for me the RTP value is one of the most overestimated data at all.
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