Online Casinos in general: How does July 2023 (Page 3)

Nick1895 wrote on 07.07.2023 at 11:18: Can only join the previous speakers.
What they are doing with the RTP is far beyond ripping off.
Whether it says 84, 87, 90%, basically it is felt at 10-20%.
Especially Novoline is derbste rip-off of the millennium. The images are mostly programmed so that you can see even before the actual stop of the slot that you get no FS.
Player protection my ass, this is just made up out of thin air.
I can understand that GJ needs the revenue of course from the various providers, somehow the platform must be kept alive. But if we are honest, every advertised casino would normally have a 0-1 star rating ..^^
You play partly with a bonus of 100 euros down to 1 euro and get with luck times a hit of 10-20x ... what is that please ? If you get times the FS, you do not even need to talk about any hits... sad how it has all developed.

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frapi07 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 10:07 AM:

Why were no Player protection measures introduced in the casinos? They would make sense there, since you can also lose a lot there. These "protective measures" were introduced where the German state either makes little money (gambling halls) or nothing at all (OCs). Whether the "illegal" OCs pay this 5.3% tax at all is questionable anyway. I haven't read anything yet. Besides, it would be kind of weird. You pay taxes and are considered illegal... why pay taxes then? Makes just zero sense.

The online gambling houses are throttled Online Casinos, where you can gamble little in a short time, but also win correspondingly little. Even if you hit 5,000x on 1€, that is the max. win in some slots. I also don't understand why they set this 1k limit. You can lose 1k per month in legal online casinos. Fine, but does it stop me from losing more? Nope, because then you can go to the local gambling houses without any problems. So what is all this for?

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Hidaruma wrote on 07/07/2023 at 11:21 AM:

Loss of funds is not a legitimate reason for a rating. No one is forcing you to play in the down regulated stalls.

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Nick1895 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 11:34 AM:

So good support, site layout and payment duration are more crucial to the overall experience for most ?

Have a read of the previous posts, so your statement is hardly accurate...
Gaming fun is for most the reason why they play at a particular casino. And if that gaming fun is limited by absurd RTPs, that is very much a relevant reason of a rating....

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Hidaruma wrote on 07/07/2023 at 11:49 AM:

I don't have to read through anything here. Nobody forces you to play in these casinos with reduced RTP. Furthermore, you have such dry spells also in casinos with reasonable RTP's. Nen 100s on a Euro verballern is no art and no rarity.

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Stromberg wrote on 07/07/2023 at 11:31 AM:

I'm just saying "not entirely..."

Personally, I see a significant difference between oc and casinos.

I think that only a very small percentage of players in the oc would also go to a casino. It's just not something that's available 24/7, where you just go.
I can of course only speak from my own experience, and would also have times where I gambled much more than would have been good or I wanted. To go to a casino or even just a gambling house has not even remotely occurred to me, even if my set limits were reached.

Sure, you can also gamble in a casino house and yard, but the Risk of habituation / dependence plus constant availability and infinite alternatives of offers despite blocking... I see the Online Casinos as much more dangerous...
The comparison between a casino and an online casino is often made in the discussion, but I think it's a huge misnomer.

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frapi07 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 13:43:

Well, I can only speak for myself. Since I like to play Blackjack, I would do that offline sometime, but I don't see it to drive 160km for that. The drive alone would be 1.5-2 hours in total (round trip). I can't do it in the Spielos, not even roulette. If I had the opportunity, I would rather go to a casino. Whether I would then always go there I can not say. But I can be sure that the temptation is great to play a few rounds there with 5-10k. I could also do that at the OC, but with a possible payout it takes a) longer and b) with larger sums the casinos then want some documents from you and all that is a test of patience, while I only have to cash out the chips in a casino so that I can get to my money.

That OCs are available 24/7 and therefore more dangerous, I can also understand. Still, this limit doesn't stop anyone from continuing to play. Someone who wants to play and has reached their limit online will definitely continue to play offline.

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Stromberg wrote on 07/07/2023 at 14:43:

Probably the key difference is whether you have played offline before.

Before I started playing 9 years ago or so, so online, I had anyway already zero understanding s for how you can sink money into something like that. Knew only the ready guys who sat in front of it at the kebab and the guys who stood in front of these stores / spielos, which I then once directly dismissed as Asis, their external impression was often not uninvolved in this 😂
I for my part can therefore exclude for these reasons to go to a gambling house, even if my aversion is perhaps based on prejudice.
And I wouldn't go to the casino anyway.
And certainly not one of the two as a substitute for the oc...

But well, everyone is different and some would certainly do it that way...

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frapi07 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 10:07 AM:

Why were no Player protection measures introduced in the casinos? They would make sense there, since you can also lose a lot there. These "protective measures" were introduced where the German state either makes little money (gambling halls) or nothing at all (OCs). Whether the "illegal" OCs pay this 5.3% tax at all is questionable anyway. I haven't read anything yet. Besides, it would be kind of weird. You pay taxes and are considered illegal... why pay taxes then? Makes just zero sense.

The online gambling houses are throttled Online Casinos, where you can gamble little in a short time, but also win correspondingly little. Even if you hit 5,000x on 1€, that is the max. win in some slots. I also don't understand why they set this 1k limit. You can lose 1k per month in legal online casinos. Fine, but does it stop me from losing more? Nope, because then you can go to the local gambling houses without any problems. So what is all this for?

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MisterL wrote on 07/07/2023 at 18:51:

because Gauselmann bought them

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gamble1 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 19:13:

Nonsense if Gauselmann would still have something to say the arcades would not have such stupid rules ! The state does not want to share here with the private providers and therefore leaves the casinos open and the money of the hardcore who still use arcades and online gambling houses they still take with pleasure

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gamble1 wrote on 07/07/2023 at 19:13:

Nonsense if Gauselmann would still have something to say the arcades would not have such stupid rules ! The state does not want to share here with the private providers and therefore leaves the casinos open and the money of the hardcore who still use arcades and online gaming stores they still like to take with them

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MisterL wrote on 08.07.2023 at 09:27:

Gauselmann has bought the casinos for a ridiculous price because they have only written losses before the state treaty on gambling


and to the contract was the guy in charge well knowing that would reverse after the introduction of the Staatsvertag again

our gifted politicians have of course been advised by the man in the industry an expert yes if not the expert at all

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