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Online Casinos in general: Casino stream on Twitch (Page 10)

Topic created on 26th Jul. 2021 | Page: 10 of 11 | Answers: 103 | Views: 22,275
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22nd Oct. 2022, at 11:59 pm CEST#91
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frapi07 wrote on 22/10/2022 at 23:28

Did a little reading and such a license costs 10k p.a.. Wouldn't be costly even if you had to pay a youth protection officer

I read a few articles out of curiosity and many are also sure that he stopped with the casino streams because of the legal situation. As I said, social aspect + uncertain legal situation were/are the main reason that there are not so big OC streamers like Xposed, Adin Ross or Roshstein in Germany.

" Casino streams: If MontanaBlack would live in Malta, he could continue his casino streams, which were enormously successful in 2019, but are no longer broadcast by him for various reasons. Jens "Knossi" Knossalla also announced earlier this year that he would no longer be streaming gambling. He would rather set a good example and "leave this world with a good feeling at some point". With MontanaBlack, however, it seems to be less the bad conscience, but rather the legal situation of such casino streams in Germany." (Source: MontanaBlack: Broadcasting license, high taxes & casino streams: Monte considers emigrating to Malta (playcentral.de))




The casino stake is banned on the entire North American continent, however, a trainwreckstv/xPosed from the States or Canada plays
There are always ways and means...
In our stream we had daily 150-250 viewers, the monthly income was probably at least 150.00 - 250.000€, plus the payouts from the streams. In addition, there are other revenues through other social networks, as well as "small change" in the 4-digit range through subs, bits and other donations.
Actually, it is not necessary to stream to earn money, a decent homepage is enough, as long as it can be easily googled.

Monte can be supplemented by the fact that he would be considerably restricted by the broadcasting license with regard to gambling advertising.

A slot Streamer with 300 viewers earns many times more than any influencer with hundreds of thousands of followers, who only advertise for NorthVPN, PC games or whatever...

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23rd Oct. 2022, at 01:28 am CEST#92
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frapi07 wrote on 10/22/2022 at 8:28 pm


@Royal my argument was that it's not nearly as lucrative in German-speaking countries (DACH) as you claimed. Sure, with such a deal you earn more than with a normal job, but you have to consider that you put your reputation on the line and that's too risky in my opinion, which is why I think it's one of the many reasons why there are not so many big OC streamers in Germany.

There will be a reason why Knossi and Monte pulled out of it and they certainly didn't have bad deals. I estimate min 20.000€ per month, if not much more. Even on the highest tax bracket you are left with over 10,000€ a month. Find a job where you earn that much monthly.

I took Apored as an example to make some points clear. At some point it is over and then they all sit there with nothing. There are some who dropped out of college or even school to do YouTube full time. Alright, dropping out of college won't break your neck, but if you dropped out of school/training without a degree, then you're sitting there with no degree at 30+. I can tell you that you are then only qualified for unskilled jobs. I myself am studying and in the beginning I got one rejection after another for poplish office jobs and the jobs were not demanding. Any monkey could have done them.

You don't seem to watch much YouTube (no offense), which is why I'm explaining what's been going on the last few years. Many didn't make provisions and enjoyed the life of luxury like there was no tomorrow. At some point the tax office came knocking and demanded taxes. Some could just manage that, some had to sell many of your cars/houses because of that (Apored). Many emigrated to Madeira not for nothing. Has already had a reason (cough cough Fiskus). Some Youtuber have invested haphazardly in things because they thought it would be profitable, but it was a flop. Either the products were shit or the manufacturing costs were too high.

OCs are also not only socially, but legally unwelcome. Something like on Twitch can happen again and again and then the contracts are adjusted and you might get a much worse deal because of the censorship of the name. Also, I think the Americans are a little more relaxed about it. Think of Las Vegas. I also know some Americans who are relaxed about the issue. Even for a middle-aged woman, the subject of casinos is still morally okay.

@gamble the move is exactly that he doesn't stand up for it and apologize for it. If the guy had shown a little dignity, the whole thing would have been half bad. But since he continues to insist on being rich, he gets the corresponding bills

Knossi has never received a cent from the casinos according to his own statements with him were also no names or links in the profile deposited

Nevertheless, he has stopped because of the social pressure (certainly also because of his then broadcast on RTL) at least many fans have written in the stream "has certainly RTL said stop with casino otherwise gibts no broadcast"

Gambling is compared to earlier already in DE much further arrived in society that is best noticed by the fact that from the dark men's booths are partly well-lit places where more and more women can be seen and just these would never have let themselves be seen there earlier

That runs completely after the motto everyone makes it no matter whether social welfare or lawyer up to the civil servant or employee of banks everyone zockt and zockt and zockt

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23rd Oct. 2022, at 03:25 am CEST#93
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Royal777 wrote on 10/22/2022 at 11:59 PM
Casino Stake is banned on the complete North American continent, however a trainwreckstv/xPosed from the States or Canada is playing
There are always ways and means...
In our stream we had 150-250 viewers daily, monthly revenue was probably at least 150.00 - 250.000€, plus the payouts from the streams. In addition, there are other revenues through other social networks, as well as "small change" in the 4-digit range through subs, bits and other donations.
Actually, it is not necessary to stream to earn money, a decent homepage is enough, as long as it can be easily googled.

Monte can be supplemented by the fact that he would be considerably restricted by the broadcasting license with regard to gambling advertising.

A slot Streamer with 300 viewers earns many times more than any influencer with hundreds of thousands of followers, who only advertise for NorthVPN, PC games or whatever...

Yes, I know that Stake is banned in the USA. I have often read that a KYC procedure was necessary for higher payouts and then quite a few Americans had their accounts blocked. Account and funds were then gone. You can find enough cases on Reddit. All the more surprising to me that Americans look at this and even play there. But well, would also think nothing of it, if I would know that Drake also plays there.

What is interesting here is the international legal situation. In Italy a few months ago one of the bigger youtubers as well as Google was fined heavily (source: Content creator and Google fined for the gambling advertising ban (gamingtechlaw.com)). I have followed the streamer/content creator well before and I also know that he has pointed out the dangers very clearly, never encouraged gambling, etc.. But it is interesting that he is the only Italian Youtuber or content creator who has received a fine. The one has paused almost a month, but when he saw that the other blithely continue to produce content he then also continued. There seems to be no "safe" legal basis anywhere. By the way, he had no sponsors, he never really showed pages (only linked or put in the infobox)

That so much revenue is generated with so few viewers is really frightening. No wonder that authorities are alarmed and try to get a part of it.

gamble1 wrote on 23.10.2022 at 01:28
Knossi has never received a penny from the casinos according to his own statements with him were also no names or links in the profile deposited

Nevertheless, he has stopped because of the social pressure (certainly also because of his show at the time on RTL) at least at that time many fans have written in the stream "has certainly RTL said stop with casino otherwise gibts no show"

Gambling is compared to earlier already in DE much further arrived in society that is best noticed by the fact that from the dark men's booths are partly well-lit places where more and more women can be seen and just these would never have let themselves be seen there earlier

That runs completely after the motto everyone makes it no matter whether social welfare or lawyer up to the civil servant or employee of banks everyone zockt and zockt and zockt




Yes, I agree that the social pressure also contributes to the fact that there are not so big OC streamers in Germany.
Television and TV presenters have also been around for over 60 years, so you can possibly expect streaming to be around for that long as well, unless there is a medium that will be even better and/or more used, then streaming per se will also become a discontinued model like television. If we look at the ancestors of streamers (TV presenters), you'll notice that there are 2 categories of them. One category of TV presenters can be seen in family shows like Wetten, dass? or WWM and have a good reputation (even cult status) in Germany, are well-liked by the public and sometimes even idols. The other category of TV presenters could be seen on 9Live, 123-tv, DSF etc. presenting "games of chance". Their reputation is accordingly bad. Now I ask you a serious question: who of these presenters got a decent moderating job on TV? Nobody. Even a Max Schradin still hangs around on 123-tv. For these presenters, TV shows like this were the pinnacle of their careers. I really don't know anyone who started at 9Live and somehow continued to climb the career ladder, and there's a reason for that. To bring up a counterexample: Raab started as a VIVA presenter and we all know how big his empire is now

Yes the topic is no longer a taboo with some, but there are still many older (ü50+) who are against something like this. As I wrote in the previous post: Germany is very conservative

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23rd Oct. 2022, at 03:36 am CEST#94
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As I already wrote in the previous article: Germany is very conservative. To give an example here as well: Atilla Hildmann. He used to be a welcome guest, etc., and then shortly after Corona, all business partners turned against him and ended their cooperation with him because he was in Berlin demonstrating from time to time. Regardless of what crap he must have said, I think it's stupid to end a cooperation because of that. You end a cooperation because you are dissatisfied with the cooperation (delivery dates not met or something like that)

Sorry for double posting

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23rd Oct. 2022, at 04:41 pm CEST#95
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A Raab brings the people just laugh and is from the kind of funny in comparison a Schradin tries to bring the people to laugh but has by the place at 9Live just always the cheat on the forehead stand and as you said by 123 TV the well known junk as cool shit sell machtts the not better I do not think that the pure theme of gambling ruins the reputation it will rather be the corporate bond If a Streamer now promotes a casino with fake slots that do not pay out without a license, he will get more than one who promotes a Platincasino This is so according to the motto of one is greedy and gets commission but the other is even greedier and does not get the neck full and f**ks the audience with the fake casino yet Therefore, one will always get more hate off than the other

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23rd Oct. 2022, at 08:16 pm CEST#96
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gamble1 wrote on 23.10.2022 at 16:41 clock
A Raab brings the people just to laugh and is wittier from the kind in comparison a Schradin tries to bring the people to laugh but has by the place with 9Live just always the cheat on the forehead stand and as you say by 123 TV the well known junk as cool shit sell machtts the not better

Yes exactly, that's what I mean. People are stigmatized by something like this and it is very difficult to get rid of it. Casino is associated with financial ruin and addiction. If you then promote something like that, then you are no better than a Max Schradin. He didn't rip off the guys, it was the channel 9Live. He didn't get the money and most likely he didn't get a commission. It's the same with OC streamers. No one forced you to call 9Live and no Streamer forces you to pay into the OC, but it is obvious that they should animate.



gamble1 wrote on 10/23/2022 at 4:41 PM:
I don't think the pure subject matter of gambling will break the reputation it will be more the corporate tie-in

If a streamer now promotes a casino with fake slots that do not pay out without a license, he will get more than one who promotes a Platincasino

This is so according to the motto of one is greedy and gets commission but the other is even greedier and does not get the neck full and f**ks the audience with the fake casino yet

Therefore, one will always get more hate than the other

It's not about the authenticity of the slots/casino, but about the trivialization of the topic. Some people play with absurd stakes and make it look like it's normal and that's the dangerous part. You know this from yourself as well. All of a sudden, bonus buys in the amount of 500€ don't seem so bad, even though that's a lot of money and many of these bonus buys pay 30-60%.

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25th Oct. 2022, at 07:27 am CEST#97
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Last night there was news from trainwrecks. As far as I understood him correctly, he will not join Dlive, instead he is planning something else. However, there will be concrete information only in early/mid-November.

In addition, he will probably continue to stream on Twitch

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26th Oct. 2022, at 10:48 am CEST#98
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frapi07 wrote on 23.10.2022 at 03:36: As I wrote in the post before: Germany is very conservative. To give an example here as well: Atilla Hildmann. In former times he was a welcome guest etc. and shortly after Corona all business partners turned against him and ended the cooperation with him, because he was demonstrating in Berlin from time to time. Regardless of what crap he must have said, I think it's stupid to end a cooperation because of that. You end a cooperation because you are dissatisfied with the cooperation (delivery dates not met or something like that)

Sorry for double posting

This simply can not be left uncommented.


If you really think that Hildmann was only "demonstrating in Berlin from time to time", you should inform yourself again thoroughly about everything the gentleman has said and done before all partners have turned away from him. He is now wanted by international arrest warrant and you criticize here that no one wants to work with him anymore



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26th Oct. 2022, at 10:57 am CEST#99
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gamble1 wrote on 23.10.2022 at 01:28 Clock
Knossi has never received a cent from the casinos according to his own statements with him were also no names or links in the profile deposited

Nevertheless, he has stopped because of social pressure (certainly also because of his show at the time on RTL) at least many fans have written in the stream "has certainly RTL said stop with casino otherwise gibts no broadcast"

Gambling is compared to earlier already in DE much further arrived in society that you can see best in the fact that from the dark men's booths are partly well-lit places where more and more women can be seen and just these would never have let themselves be seen there earlier

That runs completely after the motto everyone makes it no matter whether social welfare or lawyer up to the civil servant or employee of banks everyone zockt and zockt and zockt


How do you come on it????


And which men's stalls are you talking about where women can also be seen?

Sports betting and slots are still as frowned upon as ever. This will not change in Germany because the German mentality is completely against gambling.

Only Poker made it a little further into the center of society in the years 2007 to 2010, especially through Raab's Poker Night.

In the meantime, however, poker is back in the niche and a pure gambler thing.

Risking money and Almans just doesn't fit and never will.

Every biker who risks his life on every ride would never put 100 euros on red - because too risky

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26th Oct. 2022, at 11:28 am CEST#100
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DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 10/26/2022 at 10:48 AM
You just can't let this go without comment.


If you really think Hildmann was only "demonstrating from time to time in Berlin" you should inform yourself again thoroughly, what the gentleman has said and done everything before all partners have turned away from him. He is now wanted by international arrest warrant and you criticize here that no one wants to work with him anymore




I know what the good gentleman has done and said. I am by no means one of his fans and do not want to defend his actions or approve. I personally do not find the demos bad, but the right-wing extremist / anti-Semitic statements bother me very much. Before he was wanted by arrest warrant he distributed a drink and the cooperation was terminated because he had made anti-Semitic statements (source: Cooperation with Attila Hildmann cost juice manufacturer 700,000 euros (berliner-zeitung.de). Thereupon the manufacturer terminated co-operation with it and dissociated itself. I ask myself however whether such a statement represents a reason to be able to terminate the business relationship. I am of the opinion that something like that is not a reason to end a business relationship. Moreover, he did not just speak nonsense. Some of his points were legitimate, e.g. the Corona closure of the gastronomy and the lack of support from the politicians. The gastronomy had a professional ban and that has cost especially smaller restaurateurs among others himself the existence. As can be read in the article was the anyway in financial difficulties and if you then the state forces you to close and reimburses you nothing, then I'm not surprised that he had several screws loose in the end.

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