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Since you don't know our win & loss reports, we would suggest that you don't make such statements.
In Germany, the business is currently not profitable for many providers. They finance this either from the sports betting business, from the land-based business or from other European markets.
The market for online slots in Germany alone is not profitable - not even with these RTPs.
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Interesting, so that means that you make more profit with sports betting than with slots? Unbelievable, I wouldn't have expected that
I always thought players would get more out of it, but in the end it's also an addiction that's hard to quit
With the slots there is now the 5 sec rule and 1 euro max bet, nobody wants to do that hahaha
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Sports betting runs with a payout ratio of somewhere between 75-88%. If players win a lot in one day, then 88-100%. But basically it's lower than slots with 88 or 90% RTP.
And there is no Bet limit of 1 euro, as with slots, and tax is always deducted from the player's bet. Which hurts less with a bet than with a slot game.
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Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
But don't you have any good lobbyists who can make things clear so that the slots are more popular again 😜?
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So will the RTP be lowered again in the future?
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Comparing sports betting RTP with slot RTP is nonsense.
Don't forget, we don't yet have an online casino in Germany on the whitelist that offers slot machines.
What we have are Online Casinos that have absolutely nothing to do with a casino/gambling experience.
There is no casino in the world with such outrageous payout ratios because no customer would put up with such frustrating experiences in the long term. Therefore, as I said, a casino is not the same as a casino and should not be called that.
I have said it before. StarGames and its parent company Novomatic have certainly had a major influence on why online gambling in Germany is as much fun as a visit to the dentist.
There are ~ 100,000 offline Novomatic Slot machines in gaming arcades and pubs. These take the last few cents out of the pockets of gambling addicts without a legal minimum payout ratio and generate billions in profits for the company. An online offer with fair payout percentages would be a shot in the arm.
As a reminder: in 2021, when the offline casinos had to close due to the Covid lockdown, MERNOV (Mer)kur-(Nov)omatic mbH was issued its first license very quickly, quite by chance.
In the gambling markets in the USA or Asia, you will find virtually no gaming offers from these two providers because their lobbyists cannot exert as much influence there as they can in Germany and Europe, and quality counts.
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What about Spielbank Bayern? They offer Slot machines (blackjack) and it's certainly not an online casino.
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Hopefully you will all go bankrupt or it will no longer be profitable, so far I think Winfest was the only Provider that did not renew its license and left the market? I hope that happens to all of you. Then something has to change, but as I know the state, there is only one casino of their own where there are only Novoline and Merkur Slots where everyone "has" to play and is patronized where you can spend your hard-earned money even if you don't have any fun there just because of the 5 second rule. How some providers can stay on the whitelist is a mystery to me anyway, you know exactly that nobody plays there, I think everyone plays at StarGames, Wunderino, Lapalingo and very few at the others from the Gamblejoe Top 15 list.
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Yes, the Bavarian casinos only offer games that are not in direct competition with the casinos. So unfortunately no slots online.
It would be nice, like in Switzerland, for example. But MERNOV, the GGL's directive issuer, will not allow this.
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Yes, they don't offer slots such as those from Novo, but they do offer "slot machines", which is why I was a little confused by your statement^^
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This scenario is unlikely to happen and if slots are not profitable, you could also understand that there is still enough win being paid out...probably not to you That's how most people feel here...but anyone who can afford TV advertising and sponsorship for soccer is still a long way from "broke
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So just close it down if it's supposedly not profitable. But I'm certainly not going to start crying with you because your poor online casino makes so little money.
Ultimately, your statements can only be understood in this way: You don't want any improvement for the players, you're just annoyed that the state is raking in the win instead of your casino. So you're only interested in taking money out of the players' pockets and you're complaining that the state is already doing this.
And yes. Your casinos are then financed by international players. What sounds like a small amount to you is actually billions in wins that casinos make every year. Far too much money when you consider that casinos merely provide a website with a few spinning images.
And what about internationally? Have you ever campaigned for standardized international laws where players always receive their payouts and there is Player protection across all casinos? No? Why not? Perhaps because casinos make their money from at least 70% gambling addicts?
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Almost nobody here is talking about bankruptcy, but things are not going as well as presented here in this commentary for the providers licensed in Germany.
As is almost always the case, the truth lies in the middle.
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I don't know if the account is only managed by one person, but they already answered that yesterday^^
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Nobody is crying here and nobody expects you to join in. Unfortunately, you're also mixing up a lot of topics in a few questions that don't belong together or are difficult to answer. But we'll try.
It may look like that to you as a layman, but if you were to take a look behind the scenes, you would be shocked at how many different integrations and how much technical complexity come together for these "few spinning images".
Three different issues have come together here in one question.
1. Don't you think it would be easier for Online Casinos if they didn't have to build different rules, limits, integrations and logics just because one player lives in Germany, another in the Netherlands and another in Italy? Don't you think that casinos and providers would feel the same way as you, the players? Leaving aside the fact that Germany is breaking this down even further at federal state level, which makes no sense in the online sector anyway...
But gambling is an environment that is not regulated at EU level, but is left to the member states. Why it is like that... Good question. But you're right: it would be easier for everyone involved (players, providers, member states) if the wheel wasn't reinvented in every country and at least the same rules applied across the EU. But that's utopian.
2. Players always get their payouts here. 90-95% of the payouts even in real time. We can't and don't want to comment on what others do with a Curacao license.
3. But we are committed to it. That's why we have a cooperation with BetBlocker and promote this tool wherever we can. Find out more here: https://www.stargames.de/de/blog/news/stargames-und-betblocker-zusammenarbeit
BetBlocker allows players to block websites across countries and licenses. And it costs nothing.
Your figure here is of course a pure provocation.
Addiction can of course be defined in various ways. However, there was an initiative by Unibet where they wanted to bring the revenue of players with a high Risk of addiction to 0. If we remember correctly, this value was usually 3-4%, as it was published regularly by the provider.
Again, it was not that 3-4% was made with gambling addicts, but that the players showed a high risk of addiction.
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