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At the beginning of my "career" in the Spielos, I also "tacticked" like this. Paid out everything I could. Even if it was "only" €20. I thought it was actually a good hourly wage. After that, I changed machines or even the arcade.
I was just lucky, which is why I was 60-80€ in the black. It can also work the other way around: you invest money and the machine just eats it without ever giving you the chance to walk away with a win.
I myself would now define myself as a High Roller and I personally don't see that much difference to low rolling. Under a "normal" RTP, of course. With an 84% RTP and €1 max bet size, however, I see things differently. I wouldn't even roll on €1 because you simply have lower odds. I think the bet plays a subordinate role here. What would be more decisive is the server and the "pot": there is simply less in it because only Germans play on it. At least that's what I think, but I could be completely wrong.
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Ok, but a certain amount of depositors is required, isn't it? When I played last year, it was 10 EUR from time to time. The highest I ever got was 15 EUR, so 5 EUR plus. I don't make a withdrawal for that.
If you and others can really manage this on a permanent basis, good luck. Plus is plus, so you're right with your tactics.
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It's hard to say how it all works in the background...
Personally, I don't think that the result of an online slot should depend in any way on how many people play it.
Even if I were the only person in the world playing dead or alive, he would have to hit a wildline with the same probability as he does in real life with a normal number of players.
But as you say, who knows for sure.... 😂
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Yes, it is, unless you work in the industry.
You don't. It is still an 84% RTP. However, if the slot generates €500,000 in revenue per month, then only 84% of this €500,000 can be paid out, and in an international casino, the revenue is likely to be higher and accordingly much more will be paid out. But you need luck in both cases, because you can lose and/or win in both stalls.
Hence my thought that the probability of high wins increases the more players play the slot.
We also have the following problem in Germany:
if 10,000,000 spins per month happen in the international dead or alive slot and only 1,000,000 or 3,000,000 in the German slot, then statistically speaking the player has a worse chance of achieving the max win.
Just as an example: with SG in the slot Lucky Ladys Charme Deluxe, the probability of achieving the max. win is 1:11,720,582.
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I also see this differently...
It shouldn't matter how much revenue the slot generates per month. The money to be paid out is not in the slot. It has to achieve a certain AQ over billions of spins, which is simply guaranteed by the programming and testing. Of course, this is lower at 84% than at 95%, but that's not my point at all.
Nevertheless, he can (or should be able to) pay out the maxwin twice if the slot is completely new, has not yet been played in the current month, etc.
Of course it is constantly tracked what turnover is made on which slots, how much is paid out, etc., so that the providers always make a safe win. Nevertheless, the chances of winning should not depend on how much a slot is played. And if it makes a loss at the beginning (which will certainly be balanced out in the long run), then so be it.
And the probability of maxwin is also low, but the same for every spin. Regardless of whether other players have already made 5 million spins a day or not... Even if I am the first player to spin on a new slot, for me personally the chance is the same as if I am the 10 millionth player.
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Why is that? In my opinion, it should be just as likely for you as an individual player.
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The worst is Betano, I'm with the boycott.
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From a practical point of view, slots can sometimes make losses for the operator, offline that's certainly the case, and I don't think it will be much different online. As you say, this will of course be balanced out in the long term. But in the short term, the devices can actually make a loss. It would also be impractical if they only paid out what they actually took in. That would hardly create any gaming incentives in a backyard pub, and even in a large casino with thousands of players, it wouldn't really be attractive.
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If the probability for the max win is 1:11 million and only 3 million spins are made per month in a German casino, then it takes almost 4 months for someone - statistically speaking - to get the max win. So the more spins/month, the more often the max. win occurs and that increases the chance. But what you are looking at is the probability per spin, i.e. per player. This of course remains the same.
Yes, that's true, but I generally meant that it takes longer for the max. win to fall. The probability for the individual player remains the same, that's clear.
How is that supposed to work? Every slot has a negative expected value and therefore no slot can make losses. How can a slot/vending machine make losses if it always has a maximum AQ that certainly does not exceed the revenue? I'm at a loss right now
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I think gamble1 means that the slot can make a loss over a certain period of time until it balances out again in the long term and turns around...
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Of course I also Deposit, but I don't want to exceed 100 euros a month. That's my rough limit. Sometimes things go so well that I don't even reach half of this limit. Payouts from NoDeposit or similar usually also play a role. I also pay out from 20 euros win. I often leave a portion to continue playing. There have also been months where I've only made 50 or 80 euros plus in total. But that's my only goal. To come out with a plus. That's just fun for me. I don't have a specific amount in mind that I absolutely want to achieve every month, so I don't put myself under any pressure. Even if it's only a total win of 10 euros, I can still be happy about it. Plus is just plus. Since, statistically speaking, it can't just be bad luck and sometimes things just go well, there's also plenty of fun to be had. Conversely, if I decide to take a break, then I'm not having fun either.
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I see. Assume Rohstein's and Trainwreck's wins on Brute Force are real. They were in the same slot and almost at the same time. I think it was around USD 40 million. It's possible that this could be the case. The slot was newly released and it may have been in the red for a few days. However, as the slot was new and was probably played a lot, it quickly "recovered" and the figures were green.
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Nice, sounds great. That's how I used to do sports betting and I also did Plus, with this patience. I wouldn't have thought it would work with a casino. Then good luck for the future.
I'm sticking to the fact that I'm out for the casino theme. I'm happy with 0 EUR win/loss
Many will say "yes yes", but my annual budget for casino was only around EUR 150 in 2024 anyway. That's not far off 0 EUR either.
Appropriate to the thread: If you're going to gamble, it's best to do it in Germany. The hunt for suspected money launderers will not diminish in the future. When it comes to taxes, Germany can't take a joke
Saphira is a good example of how you can gamble in Germany, still make a profit and have a good attitude towards gambling.
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Your suggestions today almost border on immorality Could almost become my candidate for a new signature
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Because of 2 smileys I suspect n joke, but I still haven't quite figured it out after 5 mins.
Why immorality?
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