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8th Feb. 2018, at 02:22 pm CET#21
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Spielotheka wrote on 08/02/2018 at 14:17
Sir_G Yes what do you want to tell the authorities "He plays in the online casino" ? Here they can do nothing because the law is too vague . Especially since he certainly has contracts that refers to the respective state government. Is exactly the same as if I complain against an online casino. We assume that not everyone lives in a big city with tolerant young judges. There comes then "you knew but that is forbidden" shut up. But on the country I think times is that a topic what is not everyday
I want to tell the authorities first of all nothing.
But EVERYONE can file a complaint against Affiliate XY or Online Casino XY either with the state authorities or with the police. Then the authorities have to start working. Either a judge at the administrative court or a prosecutor will then decide if this complaint is actually justified. Believe me - this costs not only a lot of money but also nerves. And it doesn't matter if you live in Kleinkleckersdorf, Berlin or Valletta.
Yes, that's just like when I want to sue my uncle at the tax office, before they move you need 1000x receipts before the middle class cars drive up in the yard...
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8th Feb. 2018, at 02:27 pm CET#22
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Sir_Gambleot wrote on 08/02/2018 at 14:10: Just the term "CPA" is not a concept to anyone. Yeah so if you can afford to only go to "CPA" 's, players should understand that for a change.
Selling is certainly not. I do not know who you are but I once said under 10 million euros I do not sell. But that was not meant seriously and at this but funny sum never buys one. CPA = one-time payment for every new player who signs up through us. I have worked the first three years mainly with rev-share and had there ne remuneration of an average of 35%. With some 20% with a few 50%. When I brought Matthias on board, we analyzed the whole thing together and found out that a player on average over three years (on average 35% rev-share basis) is worth a little less than 75€. So a player brings 25€ per year. So with the new concept we decided to change everything to a uniform 75€ CPA and negotiated with the casinos. In the meantime we have increased our prices and hired Christoph.
Sure, if you look at it in the long term and purely economically, you give away money in the long run with CPA. It's just a question of how long you want to wait until a player is worth more on average than the CPA deal. It is also a bit of a gamble which players you get. A High Roller is very rare. The probability to find one is close to 0, if you look at it realistically. And sometimes you will find one among 1,000 players and if he wins, your account will be in the red for all times (with negative carry-over). It also happens sometimes that a player deposits 100€, wins 50.000€ and never comes back or gets banned. As said is like gambling and is incalculable. But if you employ people, you should be able to calculate.
Then there is another problem - and that is blackmailability. If we do everything on CPA, then we can shit on individual casinos in case of emergency. Back then we had extreme differences with StarGames and they threatened us with all sorts of things if we didn't do what they told us to do. Of course, we did not go for it, but took the risk. Nothing happened in the end, but we still don't want any dependencies.
And then there is the problem that some casinos may fudge the commissions, online gambling is suddenly completely banned and the banks block the payments. And last but not least, casinos can also close unexpectedly - as was the case with StarGames. And if even StarGames suddenly disappears, this can happen to any casino. I know affiliates who were only active for StarGames and are now bankrupt from one day to the next.
It always depends on how you do it and which market you address. If you are targeting the German speaking market and / or you want to do it honestly, you should choose CPA or at most Hybrid. Well, at the beginning you can not decide for CPA anyway. The casinos only give out the standard rev share, because they have no Risk with it.
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Bonushunter discloses its affiliate earnings (almost)
8th Feb. 2018, at 02:31 pm CET#23
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No, you don't have to.
All because this is all regulated by law in this country. (see post by Daniel) The state authorities then process the German law, and not the European law. In addition, there is still no judgment in this regard from Brussels.
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8th Feb. 2018, at 02:37 pm CET#24
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yes yes that you poor casino portal operators are and that makes out of goodness can think of everyone But CPA you're already on the safer side. Since you can also talk about the casinos that also deduct any wins (Platincasino), and God knows for systems. Ok the topic is now too internal. I think Gamblejoe should just stand by it as Askgambler. My goodness I begrudge you the coal and you yourself have already said if the price is right you also sell. So from there, such a topic should not trigger you too much.
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8th Feb. 2018, at 02:45 pm CET#25
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Sir_Gambleot wrote on 08.02.2018 at 14:37 clock: jaja that you poor casino portal operators are and that makes out of good humanity can think of everyone But CPA you are already on the safer side. Since you can also talk about the casinos that also deduct any wins (Platincasino), and God knows for systems. Ok the topic is now too internal. I think Gamblejoe should just stand by it as Askgambler. My goodness I begrudge you the coal and you yourself have already said if the price is right you also sell. So from there, such a topic should not trigger you too much.
We stand but to it. Of course we don't give any details, because it's nobody's business and for a long time we had a very bad financial situation. We don't make 100 spam sites that are just lying around, but we reinvest and try to create quality and slowly it pays off financially - that's logical. But we definitely had it harder than some other affiliates with our approach but we can still look in the mirror. Maybe many don't understand that but if you only earn money but don't create any added value, then that is highly unsatisfying in the long run.
You also have to be able to distinguish. If I make a junk site that ranks #1 for the keyword "online casinos", then I generate more revenue than if I have a large site that does not rank for the top keywords such as "online casinos". If I then also recommend Curacao casinos, then I also get double the commission from them. That was also a good keyword.
I'm sorry to say, though, that I'm embarrassed when I send people to casinos who then complain to me. I'm already p**sed off by the €5 bonus bar. I mean, I promise people something (a lot of people) and if this recommendation was bad, then I just feel like shit and as long as I can somehow live from my work, even the extra earnings do not make up for this negative feeling. All of this has nothing to do with being a good person.
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8th Feb. 2018, at 03:01 pm CET#26
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See Daniel, but you have to tell or explain that to people. Most do not understand the scope of the online industry. I admire you for standing up to the Google Mafia. I mean these pages when you enter "XY Serious" The first two pages are only from those ...I know communities that advertise "Futuriti" with the reason (Is not a fake is just a copy), then the Casino Rewards Community, you know for sure ... etc. pp ...
That all of you are not poor people is clear, but no one knows the way to get there
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8th Feb. 2018, at 03:07 pm CET#27
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Sir_Gambleot wrote on 08.02.2018 at 15:01: See Daniel, but you have to tell or explain it to people like this. Most people don't understand the scope of the online industry. I admire you for standing up to the Google mafia. I mean these pages when you enter "XY Serious" The first two pages are only from those ...I know communities that advertise "Futuriti" with the reason (Is not a fake is just a copy), then the Casino Rewards Community, you know for sure ... etc. pp ...
That all of you are not poor people is clear, but no one knows the way to get there
We are also really not so rich that we could make big jumps - believe it or not. We are doing something wrong. When I look at the numbers from BonusHunter I am truly amazed. I've never found that many players (via Youtube alone) and not even with the Youtube + website combo in the first 2 years. Well, we have also never streamed and actively lured people with Bonuses ... (is now no attack against people who advertise bonuses, just a statement )
Meanwhile, it is of course more than the BonusHunter - otherwise we could not keep the website financially and develop further.
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8th Feb. 2018, at 03:19 pm CET#28
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Come Daniel you I already classify in the stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfhbFt4nVQ . So with a "main or second home" in Malta I will not complain about the sunshine hours. In addition, there is still the tax office which prepares you yes not displeased like Germany. Whether the move now came from gambling or tax reasons, be put to one side. The sun is shining, your account is doing well at the end.
For me as a community member I feel comfortable here, can exchange. Perfect . I should perhaps no longer respond to some topics because they are too petty . But I'm always upset the small horizon. Maybe you should pin times nen approx. value of Youtube, so that people understand that there is not nen 1€ per click So I'm happy here and good is ......
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8th Feb. 2018, at 03:37 pm CET#29
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Malta is my main residence and I feel more comfortable here than in Germany. In the beginning, however, I had a culture shock and told Matthias that I can't live here. Like everything in life, emigration has not only positive sides. You leave your friends and family behind. Of course you still have friends and family, but if you only see them 1-2 times a year, then that's something else. You are also alone in a foreign country. I was there really not from the beginning fire and flame for. I am / was just not the type for it. If it hadn't been for the legal problems, I definitely wouldn't have moved to Malta. In the meantime, however, I like it here and I have built up more here than I had the last few years in Germany. I don't mean financially, but socially.
What good is money and lower taxes if you live alone in a country, are unhappy and don't know anyone?
If you live as a foreigner in Germany and don't speak the language very well, then you have problems to establish real social contacts. In Malta, thank God, this is more relaxed - just as many things are more relaxed here (except the money laundering laws).
As I said, by now I'm glad. The tax burden and health Insurance contributions are much lower. You can live more freely in everyday life, people are more relaxed and the sun shines more, which has a positive effect on my depression. It's nice here
Even if GambleJoe and my other sites would go down the drain, I would try to live on Malta. I would just look for a job here in some casino. German speaking workers are scarce here and the casinos are looking for people. Here you can earn more than 1,500€ as a simple support employee with the best working conditions.
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Yes, that's just like when I want to sue my uncle at the tax office, before they move you need 1000x receipts before the middle class cars drive up in the yard...
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Selling is certainly not. I do not know who you are but I once said under 10 million euros I do not sell. But that was not meant seriously and at this but funny sum never buys one. CPA = one-time payment for every new player who signs up through us. I have worked the first three years mainly with rev-share and had there ne remuneration of an average of 35%. With some 20% with a few 50%. When I brought Matthias on board, we analyzed the whole thing together and found out that a player on average over three years (on average 35% rev-share basis) is worth a little less than 75€. So a player brings 25€ per year. So with the new concept we decided to change everything to a uniform 75€ CPA and negotiated with the casinos. In the meantime we have increased our prices and hired Christoph.
Sure, if you look at it in the long term and purely economically, you give away money in the long run with CPA. It's just a question of how long you want to wait until a player is worth more on average than the CPA deal. It is also a bit of a gamble which players you get. A High Roller is very rare. The probability to find one is close to 0, if you look at it realistically. And sometimes you will find one among 1,000 players and if he wins, your account will be in the red for all times (with negative carry-over). It also happens sometimes that a player deposits 100€, wins 50.000€ and never comes back or gets banned. As said is like gambling and is incalculable. But if you employ people, you should be able to calculate.
Then there is another problem - and that is blackmailability. If we do everything on CPA, then we can shit on individual casinos in case of emergency. Back then we had extreme differences with StarGames and they threatened us with all sorts of things if we didn't do what they told us to do. Of course, we did not go for it, but took the risk. Nothing happened in the end, but we still don't want any dependencies.
And then there is the problem that some casinos may fudge the commissions, online gambling is suddenly completely banned and the banks block the payments. And last but not least, casinos can also close unexpectedly - as was the case with StarGames. And if even StarGames suddenly disappears, this can happen to any casino. I know affiliates who were only active for StarGames and are now bankrupt from one day to the next.
It always depends on how you do it and which market you address. If you are targeting the German speaking market and / or you want to do it honestly, you should choose CPA or at most Hybrid. Well, at the beginning you can not decide for CPA anyway. The casinos only give out the standard rev share, because they have no Risk with it.
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All because this is all regulated by law in this country. (see post by Daniel) The state authorities then process the German law, and not the European law. In addition, there is still no judgment in this regard from Brussels.
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We stand but to it. Of course we don't give any details, because it's nobody's business and for a long time we had a very bad financial situation. We don't make 100 spam sites that are just lying around, but we reinvest and try to create quality and slowly it pays off financially - that's logical. But we definitely had it harder than some other affiliates with our approach but we can still look in the mirror. Maybe many don't understand that but if you only earn money but don't create any added value, then that is highly unsatisfying in the long run.
You also have to be able to distinguish. If I make a junk site that ranks #1 for the keyword "online casinos", then I generate more revenue than if I have a large site that does not rank for the top keywords such as "online casinos". If I then also recommend Curacao casinos, then I also get double the commission from them. That was also a good keyword.
I ask you (if you want to support GambleJoe) to share the following subpage on Facebook & Co: https://www.gamblejoe.com/online-casinos/
I'm sorry to say, though, that I'm embarrassed when I send people to casinos who then complain to me. I'm already p**sed off by the €5 bonus bar. I mean, I promise people something (a lot of people) and if this recommendation was bad, then I just feel like shit and as long as I can somehow live from my work, even the extra earnings do not make up for this negative feeling. All of this has nothing to do with being a good person.
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That all of you are not poor people is clear, but no one knows the way to get there
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We are also really not so rich that we could make big jumps - believe it or not. We are doing something wrong. When I look at the numbers from BonusHunter I am truly amazed. I've never found that many players (via Youtube alone) and not even with the Youtube + website combo in the first 2 years. Well, we have also never streamed and actively lured people with Bonuses ... (is now no attack against people who advertise bonuses, just a statement )
Meanwhile, it is of course more than the BonusHunter - otherwise we could not keep the website financially and develop further.
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For me as a community member I feel comfortable here, can exchange. Perfect . I should perhaps no longer respond to some topics because they are too petty . But I'm always upset the small horizon. Maybe you should pin times nen approx. value of Youtube, so that people understand that there is not nen 1€ per click So I'm happy here and good is ......
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Bonushunter discloses its affiliate earnings (almost)
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What good is money and lower taxes if you live alone in a country, are unhappy and don't know anyone?
If you live as a foreigner in Germany and don't speak the language very well, then you have problems to establish real social contacts. In Malta, thank God, this is more relaxed - just as many things are more relaxed here (except the money laundering laws).
As I said, by now I'm glad. The tax burden and health Insurance contributions are much lower. You can live more freely in everyday life, people are more relaxed and the sun shines more, which has a positive effect on my depression. It's nice here
Even if GambleJoe and my other sites would go down the drain, I would try to live on Malta. I would just look for a job here in some casino. German speaking workers are scarce here and the casinos are looking for people. Here you can earn more than 1,500€ as a simple support employee with the best working conditions.
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